MN32410 Red_&_Dead
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I will show you two videos that I found about bad TAA implementation
A newer example from shadows of the tomb raider
switch to 2.40 miin and you can see why I think it has nothing to do with the checkerboard rendering. This is native resolution.I think they use a checkerboard taa on the pro to push performance. On the X they use the quality TAA.It can be that the checkerboard resolution and the checkerboard TAA impacts each other. THis can be the reason for the inconstantly blu effect.
You can see in the tomb raider video the taa kills all the detail. I´m playing it in a widescreen resolution without Antialiasing. It looks horrible.
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Just now, Ross101 said:
i have uploaded an example of the blurring which can clearly be seen and is removed when I press the share button
Before and after same shot one with share button pressed
Yes I´ve read it. I´ve test it but for me it is not working.
I don´t know if the fog of the game is an issue too. When I´m in the camps of the gang all is ultra blurry. Nothing is helping for that horrible blur. Trees looking like PS3 trees.
Big Thanxs for the great pictures.
The mist is to strong in camps. This is a horrible mistake. Oh I´m Joking a little.
Hhhmmm as the firmware update with the boostmode comes out last year, i read something about, that the boostmode only affecting older games.
I will test it in a few hours again. I have it not tested in the camp of dutchs gang.I will write later. In germany we have midnight right now
The sharpenslider affects the game for me in a positive way. But, man, starting in 1080p and switching to 2160p rgb resolution, setting the slider to lowest setting setiing it back and than you can play is not a good solution.
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No patch for the pro no more rockstr games. This is the conclusion for me.
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sorry guys, but the x is no option. X has a windows system. If your x is updating any games you can´t play on it, because of heavy input lag. 30 frames onx does not feel like thirty frames on the pro. It feels like you play on a lowend PC. The control of rdr2 and other games is working better on the pro. Pro is the real gaming console, the x is more a mini pc. I bought the x for three dayz with rdr2 and yes it looks really good, but runs not better as on the pro. I have more stuttering issues on the x.
Configuring the x is frustrating, when you comes from the sony consoles. 4k is not looking so much better as good looking checkerboard rendering.
If you have sensible eyes, all on the x in 30 frames is stuttering. No good gaming experience for me in 4k.
If you feel good with the XBox one, the X is the better console.If you like the so much better exclusives of sony and want switch between a lot of menues and other stuff. Take the Pro it is in all other titles a big advantage to the standard ps4.
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Just now, 0ldKen said:
Uggh. Haven’t touched the PlayStation in days.
if something isn’t acknowledged in the next week I will NEVER buy a game at launch again. This is ridiculous!
i can’t read anymore R* responses!!!! They are playing dumb. They all respond as if it is the first time anyone has contacted them over it. They want you to take pictures, videos, then have you try odd settings... until you just stop messaging them.
this is seriously the worst thing ever in video games. They made a LOT of money very quickly... the customers deserve a coherent response!!!! Even if it is just: “we tried everything, the game is just too cutting edge to make it work any other way on the PS4pro”.
at least I could give up hope and sell the ****ing game.
I see no new persons that make some noise on the support forum. I´m really tired now. I do that all for the community. I hope the patch give us an option to clean up the blur. Nearly 800 Million Dollars in one week. They can use 2 percent of the benefit and thanxs the gamers that buy her f....ing games to create a patch. No answer from the support since a week. reddit is not a oppinion to talk over the issues. To many a..wipes or stoopid a..holes are in that Thread.
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Just now, Fernialonso88 said:
I have a Panasonic 4k HDR TV, and I'm playing it on a Full HD TV 10 years ago, and it looks sharper than on 4k TV, but it also has that blurry effect so horrible, it seems at times that you're playing to a game of ps3.
Hopefully they solve it as soon as possible and do not forget the serious problem of motion blur and AA.
However, when you take a screenshot and return to the game, or when you aim a weapon with a telescopic sight, and you stop aiming, it looks super clear and perfect, this I guess you should find an easy solution and give us a game more clear to 4k rescaled.
Sorry for my English, I use the google translator !!
Wow is the translator that good? I´m from Germany. The english is very good for me
At the beginning of the google translator, Noone knows what you want to describe. It was big salad of words.
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They must give us only the sharpen slider in 4k mode first or for the supersmpling mode. I think thiss will give us a sharper image on midrange distance and lowest distance. I think to implement a button to change the motion blur on and off is the next step in a second patch to fix the graphics. On a good calibrated tv the hdr looks better. It is not real hdr, but you see a lot of more details in the blacks. I mean a lot more steps of blacklevel. For me it is better to play with hdr. With warmer colours it looks really nice.
on some lg Tvs the red is to low
change the red to r6 or r8 what you like
ant the colour temperature to w 25 or w 30
This will give you a more colourful image. The washed out colours are no more.
I´m using now a 10k 120hz cable from club3d.The colours are a lot improved. Before I used a belkin apple tv cable.
With this cable when i turn the hdr off the blacklevel in woods, real darkness with any details is a lot to high. All the darker details sunken in the black and that with blacklevel high.
For otherones who are interested to buy a better hdmi cable for his premium tv, here is the link of my cable
https://www.amazon.de/gp/product/B07H5ZRGBR/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
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Just now, Artyomka said:
Hi! Im suffering this "blurry effect" too, but im playing on a PS4 PRO but on 1080p, cause my TV aint got no 4k (2k in this game, i know). The game is playable, but i feel like it should be even better, eventhough it looks so nice. I am the only one struggling playing on 1080? or u guys suffer this blurry even on 1080? thank u boys!
Turn off supersampling can be help . You find it under your video output settings of your ps4 pro. Go to settings/ sound and screen/video output settings/supersampling mode/
Turn off supersampling. This will give you a sharper image in 1080p mode.
Is Nightwulf a redneck or hillbillie ?
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9 hours ago, GMak81 said:
@pluggy Hi Pluggy, you report friends with the same console giving different visual outputs...how is this possible? This means that it is not something inherent to the game itself.
Therefore, it must be something to do with PS settings, such as Boost or Super Sampling interfering with something...or, and I think this is a definite possibility, TV settings. For example, on my Phillips while playing GTA if I use Natural Motion at Max, it makes things seem more 3d. It also introduces some items flickering, like the leaves on palm trees. I had convinced myself that "maximum = best", but that is not true. I've changed it to medium, and this setting is optimum for my TV, a good rendering of depth to the image, with no weird artifacts.
If it was universally an issue, then it would definitely be in the game itself, but the fact that it isn't points to other causes, the most obvious being the TV and/or settings used on that screen.
I'm not trying to be obtuse, it's in my nature to be curious, want answers, try to solve mysteries. Just from what you've said, and my personal experience with how complex modern screens can be, with seemingly unrelated functions majorly altering performance and visual quality, this could be the answer (Natural Motion is to do with reducing judder, but actually alters how 3d the image looks). Cheers.
With motion on you become a big input lag. THat is no good reason to reduce artifacts in gaming. For movies it is a real good feature. The response of your controller is a bit lower with motion.
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I´m sorry for my harsh words yesterday, soory guys. This has something to do with my illness.
I found something out for LG users.
Use the hdmi port 1. It is really necessary for the game.
Use your adjust scan function of your tv, the most tv´s of this generatioin using a overscan or upscaling on the picture
- go to your ps4 sound and screen display settings set the scaling that the edges are connecting the edges of your tv. This may help in all games
- set the superresolution setting to high in your LG advanced menue
- set the the colour blackness level to low in the menue under the advanced menue
- Set your colour temperature to w 30
- reduce the backlight of your tv and use the highest setting of brightness in the hdr menue of the game
- set the colours in your tv options to advanced or in german it is breit, I don´t know what is the englich translation.
- use the game mode
- - turn off true motion
- turn off all aiming adjustments in the game
- Start the game in 1080p set the sharpness slider to zero
- switch to your sound and screen settings in your ps4 menu
- set the settings to 2160p rgb
sorry, ifound no better image. Use the 2160p-RGB not the YUV420 mode
- go back into your game
- set the sharpening slider to highest level and enjoy the game
- I hope this will help you to, but this is on the other hand a configuring problem of the game. No other game has so much problem on consoles.
- Now I think without of the blur issue, the problem is always there but I think it is not a problem with the checkerboarding. It is the stoopid motion blur and the taa.
But i can say to all of you, the graphic effects overwhelming me now. The whole game is overwhelming me.
Little spoiler: Do not read it, if you want enjoying the game
I´m now to search for a second camp, and yes the trouble with the blur is much lesser in this region. This region with all his georgeos planes and fields with this enourmous drawing distance when I sit on horseback and talking with my gangmember are overwhelming me. This is a real western. If you are a older guy and you has enyou a lot of western movies in the past with good old clint or charles bronson or the other big hollywood heroes, you become tears in your eyes. I´m sure.
Spoiler ending
I hope for the patch that all on pro have this overwhelming experience at the next weekend. Without the blur I think this is an fully interactive western movie.
BIG tHANXS TO THE DEVELOPPER
BIG THANXS TO ALL THAT HELP EACH OTHER IN THIS FORUM
BIG THANXS FOR ALL THE NOISE:
we MAKING A BIG NOISE TOGETHER AND IT WORKS:
tHIS IS A BIG GATHERING
i´M HAPPY RIGHT NOW .
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1 hour ago, pluggy said:
thats a pity mate and i feel for you, mine does not thankfully.
What do you want in the thread, when all is looking good for you. Shut up. I hate it to see comments from users that think all is ok. Nothing is ok. WE do a hard job here go out off this thread. You has nothing out to loose here.
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Change.org ? Without me. You can use all what i´ve written. For me it is a trash game and absoloutely overhyped. Make noises, but without me.
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Izt makes no sence, if we receive no possible answers from Rockstar. I give up. I´m installing now Watch Dogs 2. Ubisoft titles are good titles on the ps4 pro.
I sell my xbox one x, because thirty frames doesn´t looks smooth on the X. It is choppy for my eyes not smooth on all games I ve installed.
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It looks better in 1080p on the x box and in 720p too.
I have all tested.
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I will sell my XBox One X when a blur patch is out. REal 4k is not looking better on my tv. The upscaling of my tv is doing a very good job, with good integrated checkerboard rendering. 10 Bit rendering is not working on the xbox one x. HDR looks not like the hdr on my PS4 Pro version b. Sony makes a better job in optimizing overall performance of the console. The only game that benefits enourmesly from the X is red dead redemption. It looks so different. Man what they do with the pro version.
You can´t play any title on the x, when updates downloading in the background. Framerates going down and the input lag of the controller is disgusting. No reason to use this console for other games. No game looks like the exclusive titles on the pro. This is a big disapointment to me. Aiming on the x with this crappy controller is more luck as anything else.
Yes it is the biggest disapouintment to me.
Edit: THe Xbox one x has the same problems like windows 10. It is to much working in the background. This is not a real gaming console for me. I will play and not work.
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I found now a problem, when two consoles are connected to the tv or other hardware like tv tuner. You lost a lot of hdmi signal. Turn off all the other components. Image is cleaner and games with dynamic super resolution uses more the higher resolution. The input lag is lower.
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This looks terrible blurry to me. Look at the hud that is razorsharp. Looks a lot sharper on my tv. This is how it looks on my tv with standard ps4 pro hdmi cable. I can tell you all it is a big difference to use for the ps4 pro a premium cable and not the 5 Dollar Wallmart cable.
Hhhmm the second picture lokks sharper.
But nice outfit.
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are some new stuff on the support forum?
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ok next month. My wallet says no
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Oh my god. The version of xbox one x and the ps4 pro version is different like night and day. What a big difference. All is looking better textures lighting particles. All. Not only the resolution. The hdr is a lot better on the x. I hope they fix the ps4 pro version. I love my pro. The controller of the one x is my biggest problem. On x is something more with the aiming wrong.
Thanxs Old Ken. With this I can use my high quality pro controller on the X right. I hope their is no input lag. I´m playing since 20 minutes now red dead redemption now on the x and the control is more laggy.
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The game looks best on the slim of sonys consoles.
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They disconect the chat function. I mean digital foundry. I´m not the only one that wrote a big message to digital foundry. I´m installing now my one x. I receive it for one hour. I hate the gamepad of the XBox Click, Click Click. It looks cheap to me. The quality of the ps4 pro controller is much better.
I will write 4 Players and digital foundry again tomorrow. I´m really tired now of configuring and installing all the stuff on the box.
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Yes, I do a big job now. Wrote a letter to digital foundry and I will hope I receive an answer. I hope they accept my writing, because of my german english. Denglish we call it
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This makes me sad the first title of dead red redemption is looking better on the xbox one x than dead redemption 2 on the pro
Digital Foundry is using PS4 Pro footage of Dead Red Redemption 2THe first title is 8 years old. You can see the big blur issues in the video on the pro version of dead red redemption 2
Rdr2 graphics blurry PS4 Pro
in Red Dead Redemption 2
Posted · Edited by MN32410 Red_&_Dead
For me the reason is the checkerboard taa is using a resolution of 1080p and the checkerboard rendering has a resolution of 2160x1080
To discribe checkerboarding taa: The image is divided into rectangles. Now it gives a big doubling effect if the rectangles of the taa and the rectangles of the checkerboard resolution have a different size of rectangles.
Here you can see what checkerboard is doing.
https://www.neogaf.com/threads/checkerboard-rendering-standard-rendering-and-upscaling.1330505/
No it has nothing to do with the tv settings. My tv is calibrated, with a calbrating tool. Look at my last video postings and you know what I mean. Sure it has something to do with the cable, It has something to do how heavy your friend raised up the sharpness on the tv. But increasing the sharpness gives not a better image quality. This is a software issue.
I´ve tested red dead on my asus g sync moitor with 144hz too. My monitor is full calibrated and uses 98% of the real srgb colours. Why you are writing this again and again. You makes me mad and angry with your postings. Why this thread has 50000 Viewers Why. It is cool for your friend that he had no issues, but i think his tv can more increase the sharpness. Modern tvs not using this big amount of sharpness.
It is the combination of checkerboard taa, checkerboard rendering and motion ****ing blur. This is the problem and not our highend premium tvs.
Please write nothing more in this thread. If someone of rockstar is writing your comments, they will think. Hey it is a tv problem. All this guys have wrong tv calibrations.
No words of this anymore ok.