Ghosting - or cheating

[Euphoric77]

There are no ability cards that make you invincible.... These people are simply using an exploit. I finished all tier 3 ability cards yesterday and it just gives me higher damage output and a bit of defense boost. This ghosting needs to be dealt with by Rockstar, but I don't see this changing soon, there are worse things that need attention like the horse bonding reset and the terrible servers which do not allow you to craft over 40 items without having to sit there for 30 minutes.

[YodaMan 3D]

29 minutes ago, Euphoric77 said:

There are no ability cards that make you invincible.... These people are simply using an exploit. I finished all tier 3 ability cards yesterday and it just gives me higher damage output and a bit of defense boost. This ghosting needs to be dealt with by Rockstar, but I don't see this changing soon, there are worse things that need attention like the horse bonding reset and the terrible servers which do not allow you to craft over 40 items without having to sit there for 30 minutes.

It maybe a glitch and I am making an assumption that they wasn't the ones who discovered the combination.   I agree the whole ghosting thing is a issue.  I also think if there is a glitch or exploit can seem to make players semi-invincible.  That to is a problem.  As for how Rockstar prioritizes these issues.  I don't know when or if they will be fixed.  We need to remember they are trying to get this out of the Beta testing.  Some of these issues may take a backseat or sweeped under the rug till then.

[Maniglt]

I never met ghost/cheater in RDO yet, maybe i'm lucky  

1 hour ago, YodaMan 3D said:

That may have something to do with the ability cards.  Some players that I have played with have been talking at a certain level and you upgrade your cards right, you are almost invincible  and can deal some real damage.  The crazy part is this player started out letting you kill them and then comes back with a invincible chip on his shoulder.

But for sure YodaMan is right: Some ability cards can gives you huge defensive advantage.

Personnaly, i mixed "Slow and Steady III" (less general dammage and no insta-kill from headshot while using dead eye) with "Never without one III" (way less dammage if wearing a hat + block 1 headshot). Just with these two cards you are already 3x stronger than at the beginning.

[MissMakena22]

We got ghosted on today by two guys in Annisburg, they tried to steal our wagon mission and waited for us after it was done and when we were out there was no one around yet they shot us and they were invisible. They also stole my horse took my musky off of it and when I got back on my horse I was called a horse thief. Very sketchy and super lame cheat.

Edited June 16, 2019 by MissMakena22
Grammer

[deadairface]

On 12/30/2018 at 2:26 PM, elmZ said:

I had to report a few guys doing this too. The one's name was ***** something. They should make it where when you report a player, the game will avoid putting you in the same lobby as them again. I ran into these guys 3 times in less than a week. 

How do you report things like this?  

I got tired of the griefing so I decided to do some stranger missions on my own, figuring it was a way to have some fun outside of free roam.  But apparently people have figured out where you spawn back to after a mission and just wait there to kill you.  For example, I did wagon recovery from the Valentine post office and it said mission passed and dropped me back outside the front door of the post office.  

Literally one second after I got dropped back into free roam, while I was watching the screen inform me how much cash/experience/etc I got, a guy was choking me to death.  Then I respawn a short distance away and immediately his posse was right there on horseback waiting to kill me.  Didn’t even have a chance to pull a gun or call my horse.  

I thought I understood the concept of griefing, but when you get killed literally one second after getting dropped out of a successful stranger mission, that’s going too far imo.  Poker is about the only thing I can still enjoy at this point, and even then I’m expecting some outside griefer to split my head open with an ancient hatchet while I’m dealing cards. Too many people have learned how to game the system in too many ways.

Add to that they all do some kind of “cougar glitch” and apparently get unlimited money, the whole thing is just absurd.  

Edited June 16, 2019 by Kean_1
removed partial name (naming & shaming) from quote

[MissMakena22]

Report them: https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadonline/feedback?step=addb2b0b

Edited June 16, 2019 by Kean_1

[Miltonastic]

Cool, necroed topic. 

Griefers & exploiters disgust me as much as anyone, but I really don't get letting them be anything more than a minor annoyance. I put my ego for my online gamertag away a long time ago.  Who cares what anyone else thinks? Frankly, no one else will know anyway. Also, no one is going to convince me any pelt, or whatever I might lose, is worth getting mad over. Nothing in this game is rare or very hard to get. I just leave and keep playing my game. I don't  play their game. 

Quick join a pvp match and exit it right away. Problem solved. Plus you just left the child-brained idiots behind holding their di ... errr ... rifles in their hands.

You have now wasted THEIR time! 

Edited June 16, 2019 by Miltonastic

[Kean_1]

1 hour ago, MissMakena22 said:

Report them: https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadonline/feedback?step=addb2b0b

I removed the profane label from your post but more importantly, that link takes you to the Feedback page.  The one you want is this:

https://support.rockstargames.com/categories/115001624507?step=2b145d14

That is there Support page and the subsection that allows you to report a player and/or group.

On 6/6/2019 at 8:31 PM, deadairface said:

How do you report things like this?  

You can use the link I provided above which I would recommend especially if you see someone using hacks / exploits.  Obviously, if you have evidence (e.g. screen shots, video, etc.) that would help.

Also, there is an in-game feature in the Free Roam menu that allows you to report players for predetermined reasons.  As a PS4 user, I also tend to block these types of folks if I have had bad experiences with them in the game.  This will ensure they cannot msg me, follow me, etc.  

[Jeromy]

On 12/30/2018 at 4:26 PM, elmZ said:

I had to report a few guys doing this too. The one's name was ***** something. They should make it where when you report a player, the game will avoid putting you in the same lobby as them again. I ran into these guys 3 times in less than a week. 

Too bad about the naming rules. Cheaters should be called out so others can avoid them. 

[pluck3]

a glitch .. where u invisible / fading ghosting and then at last second appear to kill you...??? it is slippery bastard dead eye card ?  or a guys that get out of protection from a vendor or stranger ?     but a exploit glitch .. come on .... theres already an ability for that and protection from vendors.. 

[Kean_1]

2 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Too bad about the naming rules. Cheaters should be called out so others can avoid them. 

....and what's to prevent folks from "calling out" otherwise innocent players.  What's the standard by which people are accused and who determines that?  ....etc., etc.

There is a good reason why naming & shaming isn't allowed here.

For in-game problems, report players using the methods mentioned. ....for issues related to this site, use the report features and/or contact a moderator.

[YodaMan 3D]

15 hours ago, Miltonastic said:

Cool, necroed topic. 

Griefers & exploiters disgust me as much as anyone, but I really don't get letting them be anything more than a minor annoyance. I put my ego for my online gamertag away a long time ago.  Who cares what anyone else thinks? Frankly, no one else will know anyway. Also, no one is going to convince me any pelt, or whatever I might lose, is worth getting mad over. Nothing in this game is rare or very hard to get. I just leave and keep playing my game. I don't  play their game. 

Quick join a pvp match and exit it right away. Problem solved. Plus you just left the child-brained idiots behind holding their di ... errr ... rifles in their hands.

You have now wasted THEIR time! 

Why exactly is online gaming about wasting others' time?  When did it stop being about having fun playing and enjoying a game?

I understand not getting mad, but for so many.  To have fun in games like this, too many feel they "Have to" disrupt the fun of others.  The game designers feel a need to design the game so this becomes a priority.

[DNMNetTech]

9 hours ago, pluck3 said:

a glitch .. where u invisible / fading ghosting and then at last second appear to kill you...??? it is slippery bastard dead eye card ?  or a guys that get out of protection from a vendor or stranger ?     but a exploit glitch .. come on .... theres already an ability for that and protection from vendors.. 

I saw a posse ghosting in and out this weekend. They were well away from any vendor or stranger. Not sure how they were doing it. They would come out of ghost just long enough to shoot and back ghosted again. I don't mind losing a fair fight. 

[Jeromy]

9 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

....and what's to prevent folks from "calling out" otherwise innocent players.  What's the standard by which people are accused and who determines that?  ....etc., etc.

There is a good reason why naming & shaming isn't allowed here.

For in-game problems, report players using the methods mentioned. ....for issues related to this site, use the report features and/or contact a moderator.

Personally, I don't care if my name gets thrown out there in a forum. I'm an adult and things like that don't bother me in the least. But rules are rules.

[Jeromy]

2 hours ago, YodaMan 3D said:

Why exactly is online gaming about wasting others' time?  When did it stop being about having fun playing and enjoying a game?

I understand not getting mad, but for so many.  To have fun in games like this, too many feel they "Have to" disrupt the fun of others.  The game designers feel a need to design the game so this becomes a priority.

It is ridiculous that you can't fish without someone up on a cliff sniping you for no reason whatsoever.

For those that argue that this is reality, no it isn't. In the real world wild west, no one, including outlaws, went around shooting someone without a reason. Innocent bystanders or people minding their own business were not targets for killing. Robberies, yes. Shooting, no, unless they didn't cooperate.

Edited June 17, 2019 by Jeromy

[Tom Dooley]

Abilitycards is kind of a gamekiller, like playing with cheats on

[Kean_1]

3 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Personally, I don't care if my name gets thrown out there in a forum. I'm an adult and things like that don't bother me in the least. But rules are rules.

Well, we care and we would hope our members can appreciate why it's in place as its also there to help protect them from false accusations and personal grudges being aired out on these forums. 

This rule isn't unique to these forums and there is a good reason why it's in place. We would hope folks can at least respect that.

Again, just use the reporting features in game, through R* Support and MS/Sony.

[The_Liquor]

4 hours ago, Tom Dooley said:

Abilitycards is kind of a gamekiller, like playing with cheats on

Nah. They’re fairly minor boosters for the most part, a far cry from cheat modes... and absolutely everyone has access to the same various cards and counters to them (level dependant). I see them more as just a special ability you can choose to train in, much like any other RPG type character abilities.

[YodaMan 3D]

4 hours ago, Jeromy said:

It is ridiculous that you can't fish without someone up on a cliff sniping you for no reason whatsoever.

For those that argue that this is reality, no it isn't. In the real world wild west, no one, including outlaws, went around shooting someone without a reason. Innocent bystanders or people minding their own business were not targets for killing. Robberies, yes. Shooting, no, unless they didn't cooperate.

I agree.  One of the reasons I don't play as much as I use to.  Then again, I don't get griefed as much either.  

[HuDawg]

7 hours ago, Jeromy said:

It is ridiculous that you can't fish without someone up on a cliff sniping you for no reason whatsoever.

For those that argue that this is reality, no it isn't. In the real world wild west, no one, including outlaws, went around shooting someone without a reason. Innocent bystanders or people minding their own business were not targets for killing. Robberies, yes. Shooting, no, unless they didn't cooperate.

This is 100% false.. ^

Even today, people go around killing people for no reason.  Thing is, back in the old days..   You could get away with things much easier.

I mean, theres plenty of unsolved murders from the 1900's.

https://listverse.com/2016/04/12/10-still-unsolved-mysterious-murders-from-the-early-1900s/

sh*t happens..   

And for the sake of this game.  Even in single player.  Theres crazy bastards that want to kill people for no reason.   Swamp people, the skinners..for example.

[The Coca-Cola Kid]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Even today, people go around killing people for no reason.  Thing is, back in the old days..   You could get away with things much easier.

Hate to disagree with you, but your argument is true only for a very few. The overwhelming majority of people commit violent crimes for some reason or another (money/fame/need/revenge/religion etc). Unsolved crimes do not prove anything one way or another because they are unsolved ie no one was identified as the criminal, so a psychological profile of the criminal(s) could not be completed.

Edited June 17, 2019 by The Coca-Cola Kid

[Jeromy]

4 hours ago, HuDawg said:

This is 100% false.. ^

Even today, people go around killing people for no reason.  Thing is, back in the old days..   You could get away with things much easier.

I mean, theres plenty of unsolved murders from the 1900's.

https://listverse.com/2016/04/12/10-still-unsolved-mysterious-murders-from-the-early-1900s/

sh*t happens..   

And for the sake of this game.  Even in single player.  Theres crazy bastards that want to kill people for no reason.   Swamp people, the skinners..for example.

Did you know the notorious "killer" Billy the Kid killed only 9 people in his life? Jesse James plus his gang were involved in 20 deaths but 7 were dudes from his own gang. All these outlaws were primarily robbers.

Also, they did not shoot in the back if it could be helped. That was really frowned on and looked at as cowardly. I had one person watching me the other day, and I was keeping an eye on her, and so was the rest of the posse I was in. The second I turned my back, even with the rest of the posse standing there, she killed me and took off. Cowardly. The rest of the posse did catch her and kill her. She respawned and hung around but the way our posse works, if you don't bother us, we won't bother you so we didn't bother with her any more.

Also, horses were not purposely targeted. Those that did get killed were accidental. They are not easy to kill while running. But people on here will shoot the horse out from under you intentionally because they aren't able to shoot you while you're mounted and moving (if you're playing defensive, people can't lock onto you). Cowards.

Personally, I think if you want "reality", do away with the dead eye, auto-lock on, and marking and make people have to shoot the way real people do. Let's see how much of the stuff that goes on in-game would still be happening. If you want it in single player story mode, fine. But if you want a "realistic" world with other human players, just do away with them.

To compare today's killer with those back then is not accurate. The morals today, or lack thereof, are completely different than back then, for one.

Unsolved murders are not the same as murders for no reason.

Edited June 18, 2019 by Jeromy

[The_Liquor]

The flaw in that is ‘shoot like real people do’. I’m pretty good with a pistol and a rifleman that has received military marksmanship honours many time in my army career. I’m even fairly decent with a shotgun. I’m fairly confident if it was real life, I could pull off much of the marksmanship the auto-aim is capable of letting me achieve. However, I can’t for the life of me make that ridiculous white dot move where I want it to with the unrealistic joystick action. It’s nothing like real shooting at all.

[Tom Dooley]

13 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

Nah. They’re fairly minor boosters for the most part, a far cry from cheat modes... and absolutely everyone has access to the same various cards and counters to them (level dependant). I see them more as just a special ability you can choose to train in, much like any other RPG type character abilities.

  It could have been so if the "abilities" were a bit moore limited but no. Have met players were my guns didn`t function, autoaim didn`t work a.s.o. Makes you wonder the first time but when you realise what`s going on it feels too unrealistic. A gamekiller..

  

 

 

Edited June 18, 2019 by Tom Dooley

[Harlock1796]

5 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

The flaw in that is ‘shoot like real people do’. I’m pretty good with a pistol and a rifleman that has received military marksmanship honours many time in my army career. I’m even fairly decent with a shotgun. I’m fairly confident if it was real life, I could pull off much of the marksmanship the auto-aim is capable of letting me achieve. However, I can’t for the life of me make that ridiculous white dot move where I want it to with the unrealistic joystick action. It’s nothing like real shooting at all.

This.

Free aim with a console controller is crappy.

No doubt it's a skill, of sorts (like being good at Mario carts, for example) but it has nothing to do with realistic shooting. 

I have a suspicion that most of the people on the forum who call for free aim are people who play a lot of  first/third person shooters and believe themselves (maybe with justification) to be better than most at free aiming.

Personally, I think the auto aim could do with a little work, and how accurate it is should be situational. For example, if you are on a trotting/galloping horse the shot reticle/bloom should never go below a certain size, whereas if you are on foot, crouching and not moving, you should zero in quickly and very accurately. 

[HuDawg]

10 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Did you know the notorious "killer" Billy the Kid killed only 9 people in his life? Jesse James plus his gang were involved in 20 deaths but 7 were dudes from his own gang. All these outlaws were primarily robbers.

Ya, well I bet if they had auto aim and could instantly respawn... those numbers would be a hell of a lot bigger.    

10 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Also, they did not shoot in the back if it could be helped. That was really frowned on and looked at as cowardly. 

Murdering lunatics are usually cowardly.  But I bet plenty of people got shot in the back..  And then the person who frowned got shot too.

10 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Also, horses were not purposely targeted. Those that did get killed were accidental. They are not easy to kill while running. But people on here will shoot the horse out from under you intentionally because they aren't able to shoot you while you're mounted and moving (if you're playing defensive, people can't lock onto you). 

I kill players horse all the time but for a good reason..      Because players choose to attack from a horse, just so they can get instant hats and keep their Never Without One going.   I don't play that game.  I do give them a few seconds to get off their horse, but..  

10 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Personally, I think if you want "reality", do away with the dead eye, auto-lock on, and marking and make people have to shoot the way real people do. Let's see how much of the stuff that goes on in-game would still be happening.

Now this^...  I mostly agree with.

 

[HuDawg]

3 hours ago, Harlock1796 said:

This.

Free aim with a console controller is crappy.

No doubt it's a skill, of sorts (like being good at Mario carts, for example) but it has nothing to do with realistic shooting. 

I have a suspicion that most of the people on the forum who call for free aim are people who play a lot of  first/third person shooters and believe themselves (maybe with justification) to be better than most at free aiming.

Free aim is pretty fun and makes the game more exciting.    

I call for free aim, mainly because free aim is not that complicated.   It just takes a bit more effort than spamming Lock on.

I know people who suck at free aim that still prefer free aim.  Because auto aim is boring.   In this game, even Stevie Wonder could shoot the wings off a fly at a 100 yards.

 

[Jeromy]

9 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

The flaw in that is ‘shoot like real people do’. I’m pretty good with a pistol and a rifleman that has received military marksmanship honours many time in my army career. I’m even fairly decent with a shotgun. I’m fairly confident if it was real life, I could pull off much of the marksmanship the auto-aim is capable of letting me achieve. However, I can’t for the life of me make that ridiculous white dot move where I want it to with the unrealistic joystick action. It’s nothing like real shooting at all.

Neither is the way it's done in game. Shooting should be difficult, not as easy as it is.

[The Blue Hare]

On 12/23/2018 at 4:16 PM, Mpegforever said:

I really hope his console goes on fire and burns the disc inside, the Internet router and while he jumps away he runs in the cables and his LCD crashes on the floor. Life ban wanted for this genius.

😳 You left out the part about somebody slashing his tires in his driveway so he can't go to GameStop for a fix 😂😂😂

[HuDawg]

11 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

The flaw in that is ‘shoot like real people do’. I’m pretty good with a pistol and a rifleman that has received military marksmanship honours many time in my army career. I’m even fairly decent with a shotgun. I’m fairly confident if it was real life, I could pull off much of the marksmanship the auto-aim is capable of letting me achieve. However, I can’t for the life of me make that ridiculous white dot move where I want it to with the unrealistic joystick action. It’s nothing like real shooting at all.

Well..  you had plenty of training in shooting, so shooting for you would be a lot easier then someone who didn't have any training.  Which is basically why auto aim makes this game too easy on all fronts..     

Free aim, with some practice, becomes much easier to use...just like shooting in real life.  The dot simply represents where you're aiming.

And at no point, can anyone.. Regardless of how good they are.  Have the gun manually track and lock onto targets.   No one has to fight gun lock on when picking targets in real life.  

 

With auto aim, a blind person can shoot a bird in the air while riding on horse back.  With free aim, you have to actually slow down the horse or stop, then actually aim.   Every shot counts.

Only thing I can say is,  you can tweak the dead zone/aim sensitivity to make free aim feel better.   Even a few days of using free aim, its starts to feel more natural.

 

Like I had to tell one my friends from work who was complaining when I got him to try auto aim.  

 

He says 'How the hell am I supposed to shoot things while on a horse".  And I told him.  "Calm down, slow down, stop then shoot.. OR ride as fast as you can and just blind fire'.