Griefers

[The_Liquor]

24 minutes ago, Netnow66 said:

Regardless of what the games have been, there is certainly nothing wrong with evolving, especially with the way online was advertised. There were people that bought in to what Rockstar advertised, came to the game and saw what a crapshow it is and left.

I realize there are people like you that get their enjoyment from the PvP aspect and being able to kill anyone you want whenever you feel like it.  I think that you and those who feel like you should be able to do that--but only to one another.

I wonder about people who don't want a passive mode. It  wouldn't affect them. It would only cut down on the number of  potential victims.

Honestly, passive mode is a tool employed by griefers quite effectively. I’d rather not give them the tools myself. I personally like the defensive mode. You know your still vulnerable, but it’s just that much harder to get the drop on you. You also know you can’t fully trust someone in defensive mode, because they just might be a snake and be trying to get the drop on you. 

With the radar blips the way they are now, the game is relatively griefer free, without being completely gutted of the PVP elements in free roam... @Netnow66, I believe your definition of griefing is just an extreme one, where anything another player may do that impacts you in the slightest is griefing... I just can’t get behind that kind of idea for this game.

[Jeromy]

10 hours ago, HuDawg said:

You're wasting your time by walking up to them an letting them kill you.

  Surely shooting them OR avoiding them would be a quicker solution.  At least shooting them back is more enjoyable.

Seriously.. Laying down and letting someone walk all over you isn't how things are done in Red Dead..

 

I believe this clip right here, is the right attitude have.

 

Oh, I didn't know it was a rule that we shouldn't do it. They aren't walking over me. I'm just taking the fastest way out of the nonsense.

It isn't a waste of time if they come charging up to within a few steps of me. Turn around, face them, and welcome them with open arms. I'm dead, back to what I was doing. No fuss, no muss.

I do have a life outside of the gaming world which takes up a lot of time. Therefore, whatever time I have for gaming is not time I want to be wasting on BS.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Jeromy

[lumper]

Lately things have gotten better, but no matter what your opinion is people that target you for no real reason are a pain in the butt, how you chose to deal with them is completely up to you.

We all have adopted strategies that allow us to co-exist.

Lately I dont take any chances, even if that means raising my hostility level by shooting first, BUT I only shoot first after fair warning or when it is clearly obvious they intend to mess with me.

So, the guy who came by with his lasso out obviously didnt understand that in defensive mode that isnt going to work, probably no need to shoot hiim, but.. I did tell him, that isnt going to work man, learn the game before you just start shooting, then if he persists in anyway I just shoot him.

I have seen 100% decline in this type of activity lately.

It still happens, but if you are prepared for the worst, you alwasy have the upper hand, I keep my ammo and guns ready to go at all times, If I am hunting I keep one slot to my lancaster with exploding ammo and the other on my Springfield, or sometimes a bow with dyna arrows, it doesnt take much to discourage a try hard with no clue, thankfully I dont see too many skilled quality players griefing, mostly newer players beginning to learn the game.

Ive been so bored lately that I decided to start an anti griefing group, we plan to form a group of one or two 7 man posse's then patrol, the red blip patrol, if you are a red blip, we are coming for you, not necessarily to kill you but we are going to decide when we find you.

If your red for defending or shooting first at someone who was going to mess with you then you are good to go with us, but if you are red and attacking blue players, it's on.

7 guys in two groups from three sides with heavy ammo are going to descend on you and it wont be pretty for you.
I just feel like hey I am bored stiff, the only worth while activity I can see is to hunt the hunters the players who enjoy harassing others and killing players in defensive mode, this is giving the game all new possibilities and meaning.

A patrol of players who have been griefed and came together to keep others from the same fate.

To me it is time well spent.

I started doing this myself and decided this would be great with a few friends, better yet a second posse of 7 so even if half of the guys couldnt get n, we still have 5 to 7 players working together, and that is tough to stop or prevent, I dont care who you are.
I think it gives both sides some entertainment, lets face it most griefers just want to have some fun gun fights, so lets give it to them,

Edited June 23, 2019 by lumper

[Vimes]

8 hours ago, lumper said:

Lately things have gotten better, but no matter what your opinion is people that target you for no real reason are a pain in the butt, how you chose to deal with them is completely up to you.

We all have adopted strategies that allow us to co-exist.

Lately I dont take any chances, even if that means raising my hostility level by shooting first, BUT I only shoot first after fair warning or when it is clearly obvious they intend to mess with me.

So, the guy who came by with his lasso out obviously didnt understand that in defensive mode that isnt going to work, probably no need to shoot hiim, but.. I did tell him, that isnt going to work man, learn the game before you just start shooting, then if he persists in anyway I just shoot him.

I have seen 100% decline in this type of activity lately.

It still happens, but if you are prepared for the worst, you alwasy have the upper hand, I keep my ammo and guns ready to go at all times, If I am hunting I keep one slot to my lancaster with exploding ammo and the other on my Springfield, or sometimes a bow with dyna arrows, it doesnt take much to discourage a try hard with no clue, thankfully I dont see too many skilled quality players griefing, mostly newer players beginning to learn the game.

Ive been so bored lately that I decided to start an anti griefing group, we plan to form a group of one or two 7 man posse's then patrol, the red blip patrol, if you are a red blip, we are coming for you, not necessarily to kill you but we are going to decide when we find you.

If your red for defending or shooting first at someone who was going to mess with you then you are good to go with us, but if you are red and attacking blue players, it's on.

7 guys in two groups from three sides with heavy ammo are going to descend on you and it wont be pretty for you.
I just feel like hey I am bored stiff, the only worth while activity I can see is to hunt the hunters the players who enjoy harassing others and killing players in defensive mode, this is giving the game all new possibilities and meaning.

A patrol of players who have been griefed and came together to keep others from the same fate.

To me it is time well spent.

I started doing this myself and decided this would be great with a few friends, better yet a second posse of 7 so even if half of the guys couldnt get n, we still have 5 to 7 players working together, and that is tough to stop or prevent, I dont care who you are.
I think it gives both sides some entertainment, lets face it most griefers just want to have some fun gun fights, so lets give it to them,

How would you know if someone was a red blip for defending themselves or not?  Unless you witness the whole thing you're just guessing at the guilty party and potentially harassing someone who was defending themselves.  I looked at your recruitment thread and saw mention of protecting new players.  I'm only in the low forties myself but have found if anything it's the new players taking cheap shots.  Once I've recovered from the shame of being put down by a carbine I'm inclined to dish a little back.  By your reckoning you could then decide I'm bullying a new player when you arrive at the scene.

People often seem keen to appoint themselves the law/go vigilante.  Appalled if someone shoots at them but itching for any excuse to dish it out.  

I can appreciate being annoyed if someone randomly takes a shot at you.  if you shoot at me I'll shoot back, I'll miss but I'll shoot back.  I can also appreciate enjoying that shooting back.  When I ride with my posse often enjoy the attacks as it that battle can be fun and breaks things up (although we never shoot first).  If i didn't want any interaction with other players I wouldn't play online.

if you come across someone being randomly attacked an step in all good (I've appreciated help I've got in this regard a few times)  I just think we need to be cautious in appointing ourselves as judge, jury and executioner when we don't have the full picture.  Also if you enjoy the shoot outs that's fine but there's no need to dress it up as a calling/moral crusade.

Edited June 23, 2019 by Vimes
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[HuDawg]

11 hours ago, Jeromy said:

Oh, I didn't know it was a rule that we shouldn't do it. They aren't walking over me. I'm just taking the fastest way out of the nonsense.

It isn't a waste of time if they come charging up to within a few steps of me. Turn around, face them, and welcome them with open arms. I'm dead, back to what I was doing. No fuss, no muss.

I do have a life outside of the gaming world which takes up a lot of time. Therefore, whatever time I have for gaming is not time I want to be wasting on BS.

You have a life?  So you have no time to avoid getting killed or defending yourself in Red Dead..  ?

You're not taking the fastest way out of anything.  You're serving yourself on a silver platter.  

But hey, you do you buddy. 

 

[HuDawg]

2 hours ago, Vimes said:

How would you know if someone was a red blip for defending themselves or not?  Unless you witness the whole thing you're just guessing at the guilty party and potentially harassing someone who was defending themselves.  I looked at your recruitment thread and saw mention of protecting new players.  I'm only in the low forties myself but have found if anything it's the new players taking cheap shots.  Once I've recovered from the shame of being put down by a carbine I'm inclined to dish a little back.  By your reckoning you could then decide I'm bullying a new player when you arrive at the scene.

People often seem keen to appoint themselves the law/go vigilante.  Appalled if someone shoots at them but itching for any excuse to dish it out.  

I can appreciate being annoyed if someone randomly takes a shot at you.  if you shoot at me I'll shoot back, I'll miss but I'll shoot back.  I can also appreciate enjoying that shooting back.  When I ride with my posse often enjoy the attacks as it that battle can be fun and breaks things up (although we never shoot first).  If i didn't want any interaction with other players I wouldn't play online.

if you come across someone being randomly attacked an step in all good (I've appreciated help I've got in this regard a few times)  I just think we need to be cautious in appointing ourselves as judge, jury and executioner when we don't have the full picture.  Also if you enjoy the shoot outs that's fine but there's no need to dress it up as a calling/moral crusade.

I myself am always itching for any excuse to dish it out.  Because that's the how things work in Red Dead.

Theres a huge difference between itching for an excuse to dish it out. And randomly dishing it out to people for no reason.

 

[Vimes]

11 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

I myself am always itching for any excuse to dish it out.  Because that's the how things work in Red Dead.

Theres a huge difference between itching for an excuse to dish it out. And randomly dishing it out to people for no reason.

 

Totally agree.  As I said we often enjoy getting attacked.  In particular stranger missions can be a dull procession if no one tries to interrupt you.  Like I said stepping in when you see how things have started or it's clear as day who's starting trouble (like people attacking everyone in town) or defending yourself is all good.  In fact I've appreciated random assistance a couple of times.  I just think roaming around then arriving late on the scene and deciding who the guilty party is can essentially make you the griefer.  You could for example see me putting a level four down and decide I'm bad news when they've taken a shot at me first.

[Netnow66]

On 6/22/2019 at 12:21 PM, HuDawg said:

Of course it would effect me.  

For example, GTA O had passive mode.   And the end result is that the try hards and trolls would use passive as a way to prevent players from killing them, after they themselves killed other players.  So you end with passive mode being used as a get out of Jail free card.

Well.. that's why we need separate lobbies.  

Well its Red Dead.. Everyone who bought the game knows its all about Wild West shoot outs..   Sure it can evolve.  But its core is Gun Smoke..

Hell, when you start up RDR2..  Theres a gun blast.   Game doesn't say "Howdy".  

I agree that separate lobbies would solve all the problems. That's why so many intentionally glitch them now and experience few, if any, problems.

Your complaints about passive mode being abused sound just like players complaints about griefers. 

Commenting on what the core of the game is/has been shortchanges so much of it for some of us, especially when you consider that even Rockstar has implemented hunting and fishing modes where offensive gameplay can't take place. I do know that I can hunker down and fish for hours without a worry in the world--when I glitch a lobby. While I realize that you and some others here love the ever present danger of being shot by your fellow gamer, some don't see this game as an environment where you should have to look over your shoulder every second you play. 

Passive mode or passive lobby--something needs to be done as far as some of us are concerned. I don't necessarily like having to glitch lobbies to play this game, but Rockstar isn't delivering on "a fun and fair environment," so I have no problem taking matters into my own hands.

 

To Jeromy:

"Oh, I didn't know it was a rule that we shouldn't do it. They aren't walking over me. I'm just taking the fastest way out of the nonsense.

It isn't a waste of time if they come charging up to within a few steps of me. Turn around, face them, and welcome them with open arms. I'm dead, back to what I was doing. No fuss, no muss.

I do have a life outside of the gaming world which takes up a lot of time. Therefore, whatever time I have for gaming is not time I want to be wasting on BS."

I agree with you here, certain types of gamers are not worth your time or effort.

I initially would immediately log on to another server when shot or lassoed and just leave the griefer the body.

Then I started holding on just log enough to block on PSN and report to Rockstar.

Now I take the time to parley, press charges, block on PSN and report to Rockstar. I think some don't like getting charges pressed because they apparently leave the server. Even if they don't, I usually have enough time after that to escape into a glitch where I don't have to concern myself with them and their ilk.

The times when I have actually killed griefers that have attacked me, I was left feeling as stupid as I think they are. They're not worth it. Just let them have the body or/and just go to another server. They're not worth your gametime.

 

 

Edited June 23, 2019 by Netnow66

[C20Dragon]

On 6/23/2019 at 4:36 AM, Vimes said:

How would you know if someone was a red blip for defending themselves or not?  Unless you witness the whole thing you're just guessing at the guilty party and potentially harassing someone who was defending themselves.  I looked at your recruitment thread and saw mention of protecting new players.  I'm only in the low forties myself but have found if anything it's the new players taking cheap shots. 

I've seen this brought up a bit on this forum. Players saying there is potential chance you will be attacking someone that is defending themselves. Well first off if a player shots at or kills you, the attacking player will have medium hostility towards you & only show up pink to you. In this case you have to right to kill him. If you kill the medium hostile player you will not appear pink or red to the rest of the players in the server.  

Now for those that shoot first or kill first. I have tested this too. As I mention once in another topic, I spawned in and was getting dynamite thrown at me. But the 3 players doing it, never hit me. I was able to get away to the closest  shop. When the 3 players decide to go after another random that went into the saloon just down the street. Well I decide to act. Riding up to the 3 players & throwing dynamite at them killing 2 of the 3 players. I turned medium hostility & just rode away. As it looked like I was the aggressor. When you are medium hostility you only show up pink to the person you attacked and to everyone in the vicinity. I'm not sure how many time I had to kill them to get high hostility? I just rode away not caring about the situation anymore.

Players with high hostility will show up as dark red blip on the map. they'll show up anywhere on the map & to everyone.

 I spawned in by Manteca Falls & was going to head to Thieves Landing. But I noticed a red blip & decided to check out the situation. By the time I got to him, he was in Tumbleweed & notice he was in a shoot out with 4 other players. So I looked up their ranks. The red / high hostile player was rank 80. The 4 players he was shooting at, they were all under the rank of 10. So I waited sitting on top of the cliff side, East of town looking down. The high hostile player killed the 4 players easy. when the 4 players spawned in 2 of the 4 rode West out of Tumbleweed. While the high hostile player killed the other two again. 

I'm still sitting on the cliff side. The high hostile player was in town and started to run East out of town on the main road right towards me. Happens to run right underneath me on the cliff. Well I decide to act & toss dynamite at him, killing the high hostile player. I didn't turn red. I waited for the high hostile player to spawn in and he started to go after me. I rode a little bit out of town away from the 4 low ranking player. Of course the high hostile player follows me, tries to shoot me & missed. I ended up killing him again. Well he spawns in and disappears. I look at the players list and he is no longer in the server.

 In my situation I believed that the rank 80 / high hostile player was picking on the 4 players under the rank of 10. Trying to get easy kills. Once he realized I wasn't an easy kill he left the server.
 
 It is easy to assess the situation before attacking. As long as you don't have the shoot 1st and ask question later mentality.

 In my experience players that are defending themselves don't go to the point that they get high hostility & appear red to everyone on the map. Most players that defend themselves try and leave the situation at some point.
 
 For those that get baited & kill 1st & continue to kill until you have high hostility. First off, you've kill the player / players countless of time to get to the level of high hostility & made no effort to defuse the situation and ride away.

Just to let you know you will appear as a dark red blip to everyone in the server and everyone in the server can see where you are located. Doesn't matter if players are in Thieves Landing and your red dot is close to Tumbleweed. Just be prepared that others might intervene if you have high hostility.

Blurred out the name to comply with the rules.

Edited June 24, 2019 by C20Dragon
Made correction.

[houstonderek01]

When considering R*'s attitude toward griefers, keep in mind they made a lot of money off of a game centered around bullying. 

I'm old, haven't played PvP games since the 90's, probably never going to "get gud" or whatever the kids say, but, like some stated above, no mic, no chat = no fun for trolls. 😁

[lumper]

On 6/23/2019 at 5:36 AM, Vimes said:

How would you know if someone was a red blip for defending themselves or not?  Unless you witness the whole thing you're just guessing at the guilty party and potentially harassing someone who was defending themselves.  I looked at your recruitment thread and saw mention of protecting new players.  I'm only in the low forties myself but have found if anything it's the new players taking cheap shots.  Once I've recovered from the shame of being put down by a carbine I'm inclined to dish a little back.  By your reckoning you could then decide I'm bullying a new player when you arrive at the scene.

People often seem keen to appoint themselves the law/go vigilante.  Appalled if someone shoots at them but itching for any excuse to dish it out.  

I can appreciate being annoyed if someone randomly takes a shot at you.  if you shoot at me I'll shoot back, I'll miss but I'll shoot back.  I can also appreciate enjoying that shooting back.  When I ride with my posse often enjoy the attacks as it that battle can be fun and breaks things up (although we never shoot first).  If i didn't want any interaction with other players I wouldn't play online.

if you come across someone being randomly attacked an step in all good (I've appreciated help I've got in this regard a few times)  I just think we need to be cautious in appointing ourselves as judge, jury and executioner when we don't have the full picture.  Also if you enjoy the shoot outs that's fine but there's no need to dress it up as a calling/moral crusade.

To answer your question, there are many ways, you can observe them for a while, you can ask them, lol sometimes you might not know, and if I see a red blip not bothering anyone, no we arent going to target them, no reason too, I have been red as a result of defending myself so I get it, there will be a learning curve and things we need to work out for sure, the last thing we want to do is become griefers so your question is one we dont take lightly.

It is an experiment (we formed a group) and we are going to try it, there are plenty of instances where it is obvious and we will start there.
In other words, friends could be on and killing eachother in good fun, making them red, obviously we arent going to worry about them or get involved, also there are RP and Milsim groups that also do this, and we dont want to bother them, we will try to do our best to ID the players that are toxic, and deserve the be hunted, if we can.
 

[lumper]

1 hour ago, houstonderek01 said:

When considering R*'s attitude toward griefers, keep in mind they made a lot of money off of a game centered around bullying. 

I'm old, haven't played PvP games since the 90's, probably never going to "get gud" or whatever the kids say, but, like some stated above, no mic, no chat = no fun for trolls. 😁

The only mic's we as a group plan to use are within our posse to eachother, maybe occasionally talk to a player who is being hassled to see if they need/want our help for example, or to let them know, we are here on yous side.
For this experiment we arent goign to engage in mic chat with griefers, name calling, challenging, cussing, etc.. not part of what we are doing.
So, the mic will be very helpful for our group members, but arent required as we use discord to communicate on and off game, you can have your discord open while in game and chat in there even, so we are working out ways and experimenting to see what works best for what we want to do.
Some trolls will welcome a fight, others will run from it, we will have to see how it plays out, and develop a technique as we gain experience in what we are doing as a group.

[lumper]

21 hours ago, C20Dragon said:

I've seen this brought up a bit on this forum......

Good exaples and well said, these are strategies we will be in part incorporating.

Edited June 24, 2019 by Kean_1
shortened up quote due to length

[DNMNetTech]

So at what point are you going to stop your pursuit? Before or after you become the dark red blip on the map that others are going to target for being a griefer? I Can't wait for the bounty hunter role.

 

[Kean_1]

@lumper and whoever else may not realize this......

You can quote multiple people within one post.  Once you're done responding to one quote and before posting your response, quote the next post and it will appear below your previous response in the editor.  

We prefer this as we don't like to have consecutive posts being made in threads.  I would appreciate it as it makes threads a little less lengthy, more tidy and easier to read through. I also have no idea how to edit posts with quotes together as I can't seem to copy quotes within posts.  .....so I can't come back through and tidy things up like I can with others.

Thanks. 

[HuDawg]

On ‎6‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 12:44 PM, DNMNetTech said:

So at what point are you going to stop your pursuit? Before or after you become the dark red blip on the map that others are going to target for being a griefer?

I can't speak for anyone else.  

But it depends on how it started..  And the how the hostile player escalates or de-escalates it.

I've had many cheap shot artists cool off and keep their weapons in their pants after a few deaths.  At that point I usually stop targeting them as the fight is over.  Im not about to start spawn killing someone whos no longer fighting back.

But.. if they keep coming back.  As far as my blip going red goes.. The redder the better.  

[HuDawg]

As far as 'griefing' goes.       The current problem is still auto aim and blips.

The blips not showing up at long distance does wonders for avoiding hostile players.  Forcing them to actually go out of their way to find people.    But in many areas, like towns, players will eventually show up.  So this game sort of promotes close range/town griefers.  

Heres a quick clip showing what I mean.  Heres a guy that just mowed down someone outside of a shop.  The person who came out pressed charges against him.  So, me, being a trouble seeker and hearing all kinds of gun shots down the street.  Decided to head on over and see what the fuss is about.

As I get close to the area..    My blip shows up to that player, he instantly auto aims at my head. (But im saved by my hat).    I instantly turn on Slippery Bastard... Now his auto aim is gone and hes turned into exactly what he is.. A pest who couldn't shoot his way out of a paper bag.   So I choke his ass out and stomp his nuggets.. ( And then the cops get angry at me?)

 

As of now.. Im a snake oil addict thanks to lack of Free Aim lobbies.    I can get enough of the sh*t, all slippery all the time.

Edited June 28, 2019 by HuDawg

[The Coca-Cola Kid]

@HuDawg what’s your gamer tag? We need to go huntin’

[C20Dragon]

8 hours ago, HuDawg said:

As far as 'griefing' goes.       The current problem is still auto aim and blips.

But in many areas, like towns, players will eventually show up.  So this game sort of promotes close range/town griefers.  

As of now.. Im a snake oil addict thanks to lack of Free Aim lobbies.    I can get enough of the sh*t, all slippery all the time.

I agree with you, towns are problematic.

I'm always in def mode, since I figured out how to use it.

The other day I decided to test offensive mode & see how long it takes for someone to attack me. I was in town for a few mins. I beat up a npc & was celebrating over his body. when I saw a player walk out of the gunsmith.  It didn't take long for a player to attack. lol

I'm also an addict of snake oil & slippery bastard too. 🍶

 

 

[HuDawg]

15 hours ago, C20Dragon said:

I agree with you, towns are problematic.

I'm always in def mode, since I figured out how to use it.

I stopped using Def Mode and now just rely on Slippery Bastard.    Too many times, I've been punished by defensive mode and gotten maximum hostility.

 

A few times.. I've dealt with hostile players who attack me..  And defensive mode was working as intended.  Until I killed them a bunch of times and galloped off on my horse.  Only to see the same people coming at me but now their blips are normal color.  Which means if I attack 1st, I get the punishment.  Which just frustrates me..

 

The last incident that made me drop defensive mode.    I just turned on defensive mode (I was on my horse), then some idiot comes riding at me with a Lasso trying to lasso me.. (Of course it doesn't work in defensive mode).  But he slams into my horse, his horse dies, he dies.. I get maximum hostility.

 

Now the only time I use defensive mode.. Is if im dealing with one of those players that attack me and then turn on defensive mode.  I just sink to their level too..lol

 

[C20Dragon]

6 hours ago, HuDawg said:

I stopped using Def Mode and now just rely on Slippery Bastard.  

I always have Slippery Bastard equip with Def mode. Just in case I run into those special situations in free roam.

When a player rides up to me with a lasso & bad intentions. I'll just sit here & laugh as he tries to lasso me.

But if the player pulls out a gun. I'll start to move around him, since he can't auto lock onto me while I'm in Def mode. I'll wait for him to shoot at me & miss. Since most players couldn't hit the side of a barn with free aim.

I'll throw dynamite & kill the player. Which the game will put me in Offensive mode. At that point I'll drink snake oil, turn on Slippery Bastard & ride towards the player spawning in. I'll wait for him to shoot, miss & as he is chamber a round, I'll  turn off Slippery Bastard & kill him again.

Same goes for players deliberately turns their horse into me causing an accident. The accident will take me out of Def mode. I just activate Slippery Bastard, tackle the player & execute him.

So I use both, Def mode & Slippery Bastard to my advantage in free roam.

[YodaMan 3D]

I admit I don't play this as much as I use to.  When I do get on, I haven't really seen the griefing as much.  This weekend I did get a special case and I admit to me it wasn't really griefing.   I logged in and was doing a little fishing and hunting, when another player decided that what I really needed was his participation.    I didn't really mind, I was just goofing around anyway.  So he kills me and I respawn.  He immediately charges at, as he comes charging at me I aim and accidently shoot and kill his horse.  I then kill him.  

When he respawns, he rides away and I let him go.  I figure if he ain't killing me, we can co-exist on the same map.  Several minutes later, he decides to interrupt my hunting again.  I notice this time though he brought friends this time.  

Like I said I was just missing around and I didn't care if I got interrupted.  It wasn't quite an hour, I got 1 or 2 kills here or there but not many.  They on the other hand just kept killing me over and over.  

My wife, who watched the whole fiasco.  Asked why did they keep attacking me?  How was 7 on 1 fun for anyone?  How was that fair?   What was they trying to prove?  Then she turns ask why I would put up with that for so long?

Here was my answers. 

Cause I didn't rage quit and leave the servers.

It's fun for them cause they got to win, over and over. 

It wasn't fair and it was intentionally designed that way.

They proved that 7 players can beat me in a shooting contest.

Cause if they get to walk away proud of themselves for ruining my gaming session, when I didn't care.  That it was possible that some other player or players was enjoying their gaming session, cause these yahoos was busy with me and it annoyed them that I didn't just quit. 

[jamesg]

2 hours ago, YodaMan 3D said:

I admit I don't play this as much as I use to.  When I do get on, I haven't really seen the griefing as much.  This weekend I did get a special case and I admit to me it wasn't really griefing.   I logged in and was doing a little fishing and hunting, when another player decided that what I really needed was his participation.    I didn't really mind, I was just goofing around anyway.  So he kills me and I respawn.  He immediately charges at, as he comes charging at me I aim and accidently shoot and kill his horse.  I then kill him.  

When he respawns, he rides away and I let him go.  I figure if he ain't killing me, we can co-exist on the same map.  Several minutes later, he decides to interrupt my hunting again.  I notice this time though he brought friends this time.  

Like I said I was just missing around and I didn't care if I got interrupted.  It wasn't quite an hour, I got 1 or 2 kills here or there but not many.  They on the other hand just kept killing me over and over.  

My wife, who watched the whole fiasco.  Asked why did they keep attacking me?  How was 7 on 1 fun for anyone?  How was that fair?   What was they trying to prove?  Then she turns ask why I would put up with that for so long?

Here was my answers. 

Cause I didn't rage quit and leave the servers.

It's fun for them cause they got to win, over and over. 

It wasn't fair and it was intentionally designed that way.

They proved that 7 players can beat me in a shooting contest.

Cause if they get to walk away proud of themselves for ruining my gaming session, when I didn't care.  That it was possible that some other player or players was enjoying their gaming session, cause these yahoos was busy with me and it annoyed them that I didn't just quit. 

Had that before, one troll thinking he's Jesse James finds out he's actually JESSIE James and runs away with his tail between his legs and returns with a whole bunch of trolls. Same as the trolls who spoil the archery comp by shooting other players with rifles (usually in the back) or one particular dinger who dynamited the water during a fishing comp. I used to chase them but now I just ignore them and don't do invites anymore.

[YodaMan 3D]

27 minutes ago, jamesg said:

Had that before, one troll thinking he's Jesse James finds out he's actually JESSIE James and runs away with his tail between his legs and returns with a whole bunch of trolls. Same as the trolls who spoil the archery comp by shooting other players with rifles (usually in the back) or one particular dinger who dynamited the water during a fishing comp. I used to chase them but now I just ignore them and don't do invites anymore.

Sad part is I was hoping this would have been more like RDR and less like GTA.  Some players feel the other way and they won.  I still enjoy the game, it's just not what it could have been.

[Tys Kelly]

I would like to sincerely thank you all for your hints and tips. 

I only started playing last night and have decided the majority of my joy will be derived from riding around griefing other players just trying to go about their business and sit here giggling like a school girl whilst I am doing so. The comments on here ie; "I hate it when griefers *insert example here*" - these have been most helpful in providing me with ideas on how to grief you better.

I have even spent $15 on gold bricks to upgrade my armory as I have only just begun and need more fire power.

If you come across me out there......I will shoot unprovoked with the explicit intention of taking you out with a headshot.

Don't be upset though......the game needs bad guys :) 

[Kean_1]

@Tys Kelly,

If you've come here with the sole purpose of just stirring up angst with those remarks, you're in the wrong place.  

Trolling is not allowed on these forums 

[Tys Kelly]

2 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

@Tys Kelly,

If you've come here with the sole purpose of just stirring up angst with those remarks, you're in the wrong place.  

Trolling is not allowed on these forums 

Apologies, I've received a warning and was only making comments in good fun although they are 100% genuine - a confession if you will and letting you know that by openly discussing annoying griefer tactics, you are essentially creating a free list for us outlaws.

I'm dead serious about that being my motivation in the game though. To me it's role playing being an outlaw or as we call in Australia a bushranger. Hence the Kelly in my name (see Ned Kelly).

 

See you all out there, keep your heads low

Edited October 27, 2020 by Tys Kelly
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[Antonia]

Nice. I hope to catch you online....in many servers....you would be a griefer no more after some days.

[Sigill MacFinn]

Come on guys where's the warm welcome for a new player that joined the site, took the time to read a 3 page topic that went to sleep over a year ago then posted his thoughts & ideas, sheesh we're better than this surely

Anyhow, welcome Tys, great to see some new blood joining the game & forums & also pushing some much needed AUS$ R*'s way - it's the only way the game can survive

Hopefully you'll breeze thru all the content & the 5 roles that the game offers generating huge amounts of Gold Bars doing Daily Challenges & RDO$ from quests, all whilst exploring a magnificently rendered game world with beautifully nuanced interactions with NPCs & quest givers  

Hope to see you out on the plains or up in the snowy Grizzlies - just keep an eye out for Deacon's Regulators 

Enjoy!

[Kean_1]

3 hours ago, Sigill MacFinn said:

Come on guys where's the warm welcome for a new player that joined the site, took the time to read a 3 page topic that went to sleep over a year ago then posted his thoughts & ideas, sheesh we're better than this surely

If you know me Sigill, I've been there on many occasions to greet new members when no one else has, assist people out when I have the answers, respond to PMs requesting help / expressing concerns and so on, vetting new members / initial posts as quickly as possible, posting weekly news as a resource to the community, responding to reports from community members and stopping spammers / trolls before they become a problem for others.  

It's not my business if someone is trolling people in the game and if they want to wrap that in the guise of "just in fun" or "role playing", so be it.  That's between them, R* and their victims.  .....but to come here, confess you are a griefer and then prod other members on a highly contentious topic (which they would know if they really did bother to read this 3 page topic), that's not ok IMO.  

It's not "role playing" for someone to admit they are griefer in the game and then come here to troll community members.  That's trolling plain and simple.  They are looking to get a rise out of some people in this community and incite conflict with those remarks.

btw, the warning / explanation I provided was already what I would consider a courtesy.