Thanks guys. Just like you said after pvp match I gained back all my losses. But I only use tonics once or twice a match. 4 matches later im fat again. So its like I cant even use my tonics huh. I just wish I didnt have too learn the hard way with no direction. Probly have to quit, I'm feelin real madsad about this. It's just WAY too much work and not enough fun. I mean dont ya think. I'm reading alot about people have stopped eat altogether. Which I have, and dont use tonics in pvp, which I only do when needed. But no results. And now spending time on this forum to learn why nothing helps. But thanks again and keep up the good work. Im sure another poor soul could use this info.