SirParcival

LOL yeah, good luck getting gamers that organized with this obvious false advertising re: HDR. You can't even get people to agree that it's something that we should care about. Which is hilarious, because if you google: "RDR2 HDR" there has been a dozen articles in all the major publications (forbes did a great job) shedding light on this issue, and how ridiculous it is. But then you come here and talk to the actual gamers... and they can't agree that being sold something that's missing a key selling feature with zero explanation is even bad, or worth worrying about. "Don't you worry your pretty little head sweetness. Nobody gives a sh*t bout your problems." Rockstar is just laughing because they're in zero danger. Laughing all the way to the bank baby!

I don't think you're seeing this through the right light, allow me to illuminate, as to scoff a this as "meh, first world problems" is missing the point. With HDR they aren't delivering what's being advertised, what we bought is not what they claim to have sold us. If you bought a car with a sunroof, and when you drove it out of the lot and realized there's no sunroof, are you just going to chuckle to yourself: "oh well, that's what I get for buying something expensive and expecting to get what I paid for, first world problems". No, of course you wouldn't. Don't act like it's unreasonable to expect to get what you were sold, what you bought. I bought a game with HDR support. Turns out it has zero HDR support. ie. no Sunroof. Not half a sunroof, not a malfunctioning sunroof, not a tinted, altered, or modified sunroof, NO SUNROOF. 4k being blurry, well that's more open-ended because there's only so much power in a PS4 Pro. 4 TFLOPS isn't a lot of GPU power, I think a GTX 970 is more powerful... It's not great, and that's something that the developers can try to optimize with future patches, but at least it's technically projecting a 4k image, even if not internally rendered at that. The HDR isn't even outputting HDR. You'd think that would be a bigger issue. *shrug*

No, i'm far too stupid to have caught that. It's obvious to me that you're the king of sarcasm, I shant duel with you any longer. I'd rather be slaying actual demons haunting this topic, ones that could use some illumination. CRANK UP THE NITS ON THIS ISSUE PEOPLE! The PS4 blurry thread has a billion views. They are organizing, reporting, tweeting, and rallying. The HDR issue on the otherhand apparently you have to fight tooth and nail just to get 5 people to even care that it's an issue. Like I've said elsewhere, if they promised 4k, and only delivered 1080p with no explanation, and no option to change, you'd be pretty upset. This is like that but actually more impactful. So you know, might wanna keep your eye on the ball here.

Lol yeah, thanks for the welcome. I'm still confused about your sarcasm, as like I said, that entire post you're referencing was straight-faced. And then to imply that the comment in question was actually highly-perfected sarcasm... ionno dude, I don't see it. Just sounds like you're adding to the confusion around this topic even being worth anyone caring about *shrug* But perhaps you're just working on some level that I can't distinguish without a sarcasm microscope, a level of perfection so pristine that infact you're the only one who knew you were being sarcastic. I think you've achieved sarcasm nirvana. See what I did there? "....and yes, with the proper equipment, it does make a difference for those that can tell." Has zero sarcasm in it. You even went on to compare HDR against CRT monitors, a tech that actually does have a small population that "can tell". You're confusing the issue, and further muddying the waters at time when people obviously need some clarity. The fact that we're even having this discussion is very worrying.

I like how this thread has 1,000,000 views and an army of people posting, reporting, and generally making noise to get this fixed. MEANWHILE... over at the HDR thread, it's a battle just to convince 4 people that the fact that they shipped 100% fake non-existant HDR is even a PROBLEM. Imagine if you were promised native 4k, or even checkerboarded 4k, then you buy the game, boot it up, and the game's resolution is 1080p with no option to change it. Now imagine that you had to battle with gamers who are ON YOUR SIDE just to convince them that this "issue" is even worth caring about. "I mean, 1080p... 4k... who really cares? You're nitpicking bro." !@#%

Kean_1 are you trying to refer to your first post in this thread? Because that whole post was straight-faced. Are you trying to act like it was perfect sarcasm? What about it was sarcastic exactly? Am I missing something? "I don't have a 4K TV and quite frankly, I never saw a reason to buy another console when my original PS4 works just fine and I'm not going to replace my 60" 1080P TV for a 4K just for gaming. By the next gen I will likely have a 4K TV and the new consoles will probably support it out of the box, so then it will be a different story .....but I can also understand why those with the current Pro systems and equipment to support it are upset. I would be too if I were in the same boat. " - Kean_1 AHAHAHAHA PERFECT SARCASM

Yeah, kinda a different comparison you're making. People who can see strobing at high refresh rates are genuinely rare in the population. HDR is talking about a 10x boost in nits (actual brightness) It's like asking if most of the population can tell which is brighter: an indoor lightbulb, or the sun. This is not a technology that's relegated to the fringe, it's pretty mainstream, as anyone who isn't blind who occasionally goes outside and you know, doesn't only look at SDR screens, well they can tell the difference the moment they go outside. It's part of the reason that "screens" always look like "screens" to us. Most people never realize it, but the capability to simulate the colour and luminance range of real life has just been sorely lacking on colour displays for 50+ years. Now it's changed, it'll probably be the biggest advent in tech for the next 50 years too, especially as we push the nits and bitrate higher and higher.

Welcome to 2016 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/12/high-dynamic-range-explained-theres-a-reason-to-finally-get-a-new-tv/ It is impossible to convey the HDR difference on an SDR screen, because HDR's boosts require compatible panels. This mock-up simulates some of the effect by reducing color gamut on one side, but one of the big differences is that HDR screens don't have to add an unnatural glow around a bright point to make it look "bright." Instead, in HDR, something like the sun here has its brightness contained solely within its radius; the natural brightness of the display, and contrast with other pixels right next to it, creates a natural glow effect.

Whoa there nelly, I had to create an account just to respond to all the misinformation in this thread. No offense, but even the guy trying to be balanced says: "....and yes, with the proper equipment, it does make a difference for those that can tell." What what in the what? "for those that can tell"? You mean human beings with a heartbeat, ears and eyes? How about this, can you tell the difference between a 10-watt laptop speaker and a 1000w surround system? Look around the net, video reviewers have been saying for years that HDR is the real next-gen tech in A/V. The general consensus is that 4k = yawn, but HDR = WOWIE ZOWIE. This isn't a new opinion, hate to sound like a jaded A/V snob, but this discussion is like 2-3 years old. The dynamics of the image are insane with HDR, compared to the "normal SDR". It's literally like going from a HIGHLY compressed MP3 file at 64kbps to a FLAC running at 1411kbps. The sound quality is completely different. If you've ever thought that 4k was anything to be excited about, HDR should excite you more, it creates a more immediate and discernable impact on your visual cortex. With 4k most people have to ask "is this 4k?" but HDR speaks for itself. When you see it you'll know. The content is hard to find, but it's the most impressive technological leap in video the industry has seen since the invention of the colour TV. This is the first time in over 50 years that we're actually getting more colours, more luminance, the picture looks more like reality looks when you peek your head outside your door, and far more realistic than a resolution bump could ever provide. Oh, and they don't sell 1080p TVs anymore, they haven't for years. To act like there's almost no one who has a 4k HDR tv is nonsense. Basically all TVs sold in the last 2 years except for the lowest-spec ones have at least some form of HDR implementation. It's been a staple on mid-range and high-end TVs for 3-4 years. It's not new. And yeah, if you recently bought a new-ish TV with 4k and HDR, then the biggest game of the console cycle promised HDR, then just decided to lie and %100 fake it, you'd be pissed too. They might as well have claimed it was 4k and only run at 1080p, then ask "what's the big deal" and wonder why people are upset. TL;DR It's not nitpicking, it's a big deal.