Lucixir

Read my much larger description of this issue in my post

Saying the system is flawed is a mere understatement of how broken it really is. Just today, I've ran across a few more things, 1 that even cost me losing my legendary horse out of all things. 1. Defending yourself does and will get you wanted/killed. You may win some fights and just get told to move on, but many of these fools will die or run into a horse and die or fall off something and die. Guess what, you are to blame - murderer. 2. Killing witnesses? LOL, killing one leads to another which instantly pops a bounty party right on you with no warning. They can out ride you, out shoot you, knock you off your horse while riding full speed. This just happened to me and I received the lovely message "You have abandoned your legendary horse" - no I didnt, I was killed and re-spawned with a default stupid horse. I had to run back and repurchase my horse and start him from level 1 again. 3. Many missions force you into crimes and depending how they go, especially not knowing all the options, you will get flagged/bountied a lot. This has happened to me on many occasions. Cant loot things fast enough before new people show up to kill you. If you wait it out for them to leave, all the things you could of looted are now gone. Now, to make things interesting... I went and spent all my money before trying to turn myself in to remove bounties and also test out other things. Much easier to test things with nothing to lose than before with 200-500$ hard earned money. Killing people out in the middle of no where, no witnesses or anything. This will cause Bounty parties to be instantly spawned at your location. 6 mounted horse instantly shooting at you. You die much faster than you could kill them, even trying to use dead eye. (the rare times I got away with it were rare, not even sure how it happened to show how rare it ever happened) Trying to rob people with or without mask, you always get blamed for it, maybe 10% of the time I could get away with it for a bit. I have like 6 masks, no way they could be remembering every single mask. People starting fights and gun fights with you... really sucks to be dying and have nothing else you can do besides kill them to make them stop which makes you a murderer. No idea why other NPC's in the game dont report the actual aggressor... Big part of the system that is flawed: Not correctly identifying the aggressor or allowing defensive abilities. This makes the system really suck for anything you do. Many of the things I do isnt just running around shooting people or trying to play GTA style in this game. I never played much of GTA nor RDR1 so much of this is new to me. Much of it wasn't explained and Ive had to learn the extreme hard way, which is what eventually motivated me to come here and starting bitching about it. Judging by the posts, it isnt hard to see that there is definitely a problem with it regardless if you believe all my encounters or have experienced them yourself yet. Chances are, you will eventually and think back on what I said than maybe understand the frustration. Hard to take it all in when it hasnt happened to you yet or to the extreme but it will. Many people have experienced much of this flawed logic system already, maybe some are more tolerant towards it but just wait until it continues happening and causing them wasted time, much hard earned $$ and just game play experience. Until then, I've found it easier to just go raise hell, collect as many items for cash as possible and have no money on me before turning myself in to waive it off. There isnt any better way around it, it's unforgiving and many times outside your control when it happens.

@Kean_1You haven't played enough to know what I am talking about yet. I though it was fun at first as well and many of those triggers I am very familiar with now. Missions constantly force you into those situations, when I was sent to help someone it ended up not only breaking him out of jail but it also forced me to kill everyone law office in town and those that came in. Good ole 300$ bounty from a forced rescue mission to progress the story along. I got no money from that mission either and that 300$ has been there ever since. You cant keep stopping all witnesses, because most of them didn't witness anything, yet you are blamed. Investigating is just another term for, give us a few moments while we blame this on you. This gets annoying very fast, especially as they blame and hold you accountable for serious crimes that you didn't do and make you wanted/bounty.

They don't take some of your money, they take all of your money and the bounties never go away. Lawman will tell you to move along and if you cant get out of the red circle within their small timeframe, they open fire. Do anything in this game to defend yourself and it's treated as all your fault.

Seems to be 10% but it sucks that even after dying many times to this system, the bounty/legal trouble doesn't go away. It racks up insanely fast with no way to get out of it unless you can get the cash to buy time until the next cycle begins. The game doesnt have many money making systems into it, looting is slow and things decay before you can loot things. Any mission with dead people, the other NPC's are constantly rushing you to continue...and if you don't, they just move on without you or get you into more trouble.

The saves suck, they dont want you to bypass the insane legal/bounty systems and try everything to constantly put you in it. I tried saving before attempting anything in case it was outlawed - the save didnt work, the auto save writes onto any manual saves to make sure you dont get out of bounties/legal trouble.

I've been playing since Thursday night release and still in Chapter 2. How did you avoid the bounties/law on you from the missions that put all that onto you without any warning or money to pay it all off?

So, I have been playing this game since it was released Thursday night and the HUGE ELEPHANT in the ROOM is, OMFG this law/bounty system is beyond terrible. I cannot believe how insanely lopsided, unfair and downright stupid it is. Did anyone BETA test these systems at all? I mean seriously, someone actually thought these were working as intended? With that being said, let me also state that I am also a believer in Justice type systems but not so lopsided that it is beyond unfair and makes no sense. I'm going to give many scenarios to explain my points about how flawed this system is, I'm sure many of you can relate and possibly have more insane stories to share about it. For a bandit/Outlaw game, this sure makes it impossible to try and attempt any of that play style not to mention quests automatically putting you into it ALL THE TIME. #1: You walk around town, people are constantly rude to you and just looking to get into a fight or anything to annoy you... with complete IMMUNITY. No matter what happens, you will be blamed for it. Someone start kicking your ass because you walked by, lawman on the spot to blame you and gun you down. Did you walk too close to someone? unarmed assualt, Lawmen after you... #2 You try any petty crime anywhere in the world, guess what? There is always some type of witness within 10 miles that will always blame you for it and you guessed it, the law will be on you and bounties placed on you. #3 Your horse look at someone the wrong way? Reported, lawmen killing you. #4 a million other stupid little things that you arent doing anything yet the law is called on you and bounties instantly placed on your head. Bounties... the amount is insane compared to how little money you have access to or can acquire in the first 100 play hours. 300-2500$ instantly on you... and guess what, as you get killed all the time from this, you will get a death penalty and the damn bounties are still on you. WHAT? Died 10 times, lose 10x the bounty money already? Doesnt matter, bounty stays... The limited quests you have happen to be in an area where you are wanted? Either you cant do them and progress or enjoying dying a lot more because of it. Did you happen to kill 50+ lawmen who were hunting you down and respawn in the area in a matter of seconds? You wont get to loot very much and the few that you do dont have much money items to put a dent into those Bounties at all. Speaking of looting, why do these bodies disappear so fast? It takes forever to loot 1 thing yet they decay insanely fast. I just do not get how this law/bounty system was put into place and decided that it was working very well. The trade off and severity of anything in this game is beyond rational. Imagine the sentence of everything in real life being death + bounty on your entire family until they can pay it off. Jaywalk? - Death Punch someone in the face? Death Shoe not tied? Death Car driving too slow or fast? Death Someone in another city think of a crime - you are automatically accused and punished for it. No evidence needed, it was you. I have every mask in the game as well.. and guess what, they do absolutely nothing in concealing your identity or preventing bounties/lawmen on you like white on rice. So after this time, I am stuck in an endless loop of being killed by an unjust legal system and being blamed for anything and everything in the world happening. Top it all off, I can never accumulate any money because I owe 300-5000$ in every sector of the map some where, although I've been killed many times for my supposed crimes, they just keep killing me until I can someone accumulate the money to pay of the bounties that I owe. Come on Rockstar....really? This is the legal/bounty system you release and feel justifies the game? There is absolutely no balance to this insanity. Sucks there was no difficulty level to start the game off with, now I'm stuck in a nightmare mode of lawmen above the law looking to solve any problem by killing you, over and over and over....over...over - all the while racking up your bounty in the process.