Rdr2 graphics blurry PS4 Pro

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

I wrote a small message into the community checkbox of this video.

Hello, can someone of you guys post his issues of blur in the pro version on this thread? We need more members. We want start a petition. Nearly 3 weeks and no answer from rockstar about the failed version of red dead redemption 2 on the ps4 pro. Thank you guys. https://www.rdr2.org/forums/topic/1170-rdr2-graphics-blurry-ps4-pro/?page=41

[Dexter757]

9 minutes ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

 

Thanxs for the pictures.

This is the link:

https://support.rockstargames.com/community/360000680454/360018981414

I dont see how i can upload pics in support thread, however, how Rockstar released such bad product on the market? Trailers was fake (not ps4 pro cap)

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

22 minutes ago, Dexter757 said:

I dont see how i can upload pics in support thread, however, how Rockstar released such bad product on the market? Trailers was fake (not ps4 pro cap)

Copy all of your post and replace it in the chatbox of the support thread. You can not edit anything in the chatbox. I can do it for you, if you want that.

Hhhhmm I cannot post videos anymore in the chatbox of social club community forum thread. They are misleading us now totally?

 

 

 

I think the bug is a lot bigger now.

It has something to do with day and night cycle and the weathersystem

This is real big number of a bug. The graphic is a lot cleaner on nightcycle.

Edited November 12, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[theLich]

3 hours ago, Dexter757 said:

I bought Xbox One X, I cant wait for the patch anymore
Guys with 4K screens, look at the difference - its terrible

Bit the same bullet with a One X, mate. Now I'm broke, sad and amazed at the same time.

Reporting to all you folks - somehow it is a completely different game that we as Pro users were robbed of (at least for now). Been whining about recent Pro exclusives (particularly God of War) looking significantly better, however now I can safely say that RDR 2 is one the best looking games I've seen easily on par with GoW graphically and a lot better with down-to-life and realistic lighting/effects/environments. Same 4k non-HDR display with the same settings I've used for my Pro, haven't touched a single slider. Eye-squinting pixel-hunting instead of actual hunting is no more.

After the first weekend with the game I've been waiting for so much time I didn't play for two weeks patiently waiting. Now I'm playing at even slower pace because of how detailed and beautiful everything is.

Back in 2010 I've owned the game on my 360 and I've also played the PS3 version and the differences were in no way THIS noticeable. However, it would be great if in addition to the 'Xbox One X Enhanced' label on the xbox disc, R* would care to put a similar message on the PS counterpart, like "here are some outfits and missions to make up for playing and inferior version of the game". 

Transferring some of the blame to Sony and holding with the trade of my Pro until at least the first patch, considering how they position the PS4 Pro as a competitor. In the current state of the Pro version - this is not a case for RDR2.

[Dubya75]

13 minutes ago, theLich said:

Bit the same bullet with a One X, mate. Now I'm broke, sad and amazed at the same time.

Reporting to all you folks - somehow it is a completely different game that we as Pro users were robbed of (at least for now). Been whining about recent Pro exclusives (particularly God of War) looking significantly better, however now I can safely say that RDR 2 is one the best looking games I've seen easily on par with GoW graphically and a lot better with down-to-life and realistic lighting/effects/environments. Same 4k non-HDR display with the same settings I've used for my Pro, haven't touched a single slider. Eye-squinting pixel-hunting instead of actual hunting is no more.

After the first weekend with the game I've been waiting for so much time I didn't play for two weeks patiently waiting. Now I'm playing at even slower pace because of how detailed and beautiful everything is.

Back in 2010 I've owned the game on my 360 and I've also played the PS3 version and the differences were in no way THIS noticeable. However, it would be great if in addition to the 'Xbox One X Enhanced' label on the xbox disc, R* would care to put a similar message on the PS counterpart, like "here are some outfits and missions to make up for playing and inferior version of the game". 

Transferring some of the blame to Sony and holding with the trade of my Pro until at least the first patch, considering how they position the PS4 Pro as a competitor. In the current state of the Pro version - this is not a case for RDR2.

Thanks for this! 

By now Sony must be aware of this, and I can't imagine they are OK with it. Hopefully they put pressure on R* to improve the Pro version.

I would also be tempted to get an XBOX ONE X and another copy of the game. But I don't want to give R* another penny. Maybe I will buy the game second-hand and give R* the middle finger.

[C.D.Mortimer]

16 hours ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

Ok I receive a warning, yes it is stoopid and stoopid from myself to post tv settings. It is the frustration about this game. I have a digital copy of the game. I can´t sell the game. If I could I would do it.

Not only the graphical issues destroying the game for me. When you must shoot a bandit 5 times and more in his head and he runs to your NPC and kill him. This is really frustrating.
I hope for you all they fix it. I will not post anything more about this game.
Another strange thing is for me. As I posted the two videos with blur fix all looks okay and fine. For a few hours I started the game again and a ll was washed out and blurry. The control gives me lesser response and it is not playable again. I will give this game a second chance in a few month or a half year. But this is not ok.

 

The chief of rockstar must be one of the most arrogance softwarebosses in the whole software company. Narcicm seems to be strong. Is it really a game I have not real fun with it. Is it really a open world game it is to linear for me for a open world game.

If I could get back the digital copy I would do it. I think the first episode was a way better game. No re release for ps4.

Not stupid, I understand your frustrations so much and you try to contribute to the problem! I share your frustrations and with you so many others! Even more so because you bought the game digitally! I don't share any experience with the game (yet), but I understand that the graphics destroy the gameplay for you. A game should in all circumstances give all players the same experience, no matter what TV they are using!

Rockstar shot itself in the foot with these big technical problems they created. Don't hazzle or con us buyers with fake HDR and some terrible implemented upscaling method. Look at other games who can do it right, no doubt about it they ****ed it up (excuse my french) themselves! The thing is Rockstar isn't proactive, they are waiting to see how players react on certain issues and if they feel it isn't a "major issue", then they act like they don't know or it's not a priority in there eyes. They are only interested in what makes money and patching graphics won't sell them more games (we already bought it), so they focus on things that will make people buy it more (Online part).

A arrogant money grubbing company that sells there products and act like it's not about the profit only the players and creating things for them! It is the oldest trick in the book, act like you do it for people and the money will flow in (800 million plus)! I am afraid the real RDR2 will come with the PS5, since the PS4 can't match up to the power of the Xbox to fully run 4K. Understandable because the Xbox One X came a year later then the PS4 Pro. In my opinion if they would have updated the PS4 Pro to match the XOX, we would have noticed many graphics issues a lot less.

Because I read somewhere they will probably overhaul the graphics for RDR2 for the PS5: https://www.express.co.uk/entertainment/gaming/1043709/PS5-release-date-UPDATE-PS4-news-Sony-PlayStation-5: "The good news is that a huge game is reportedly in the works for the PlayStation 5. According to recent reports, Red Dead Redemption 2 will be getting a serious upgrade on next-gen hardware. This will likely coincide with the game being ported to PC, as well as a new version being launched on the next wave of consoles."

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by C.D.Mortimer

[0ldKen]

I literally dreamt about playing last night. This is just odd.

basically neither system can play this game exactly the way it was advertised in videos etc. the xbonex has frame drop issues and bad controller lag and the pro is out of focus and causes proples eyes to hurt and headaches.

 

soo basically this was meant to run on hardware that is AT LEAST a year away.

i honestly don’t remember anything in all of video game history that is on this level... meaning, getting hype up soo high on an unfinished product presenting it and releasing it to record sales numbers... then the software company totally ignore the customers. And give us generic “fixes”. 

Going on 3 weeks without even an acknowledgement... sad.

[Taranto]

You guys don't realize how silly you sound when you say that RDR2 is an "unfinished" product. Yes, it has issues with HDR and blurring, but it's far from unfinished. Stop being a kid! We all know that R* is working hard on the online mode right now. I believe that any fix will roll out with online mode, not before that.

[C.D.Mortimer]

I personally never said it was an unfinished product, I said it has problems that need to be fixed! Someone mentioned that he was wondering how it passed quality inspection. I do wonder this myself. The reason why they are working hard on a online mode is because that will give them extra customers and fixing there own graphics mess won't by definition. However, it could be true that they will come up with something temporal as a fix, when they release the online portion of the game. Because a lot of people don't care for single player only multiplayer and that would create an additional portion of customers that would complain over that part of the game (online part).

If I was a kid I would be using a cartoon picture as my avatar.😛

Edited November 12, 2018 by C.D.Mortimer

[Ross101]

Unfortunately I feel the hope of it being patched has faded

 

they havnt even acknowledged it

only a glitch in a camp 

[theLich]

29 minutes ago, Taranto said:

You guys don't realize how silly you sound when you say that RDR2 is an "unfinished" product. Yes, it has issues with HDR and blurring, but it's far from unfinished. Stop being a kid! We all know that R* is working hard on the online mode right now. I believe that any fix will roll out with online mode, not before that.

"Unfinished" seems to be quite a rush term. My main beef is with the lack of information - I've personally been waiting for this game for ages (like a kid indeed) and I would have bought the One X initially if the differences between versions were outlined better. Again if it is a temporary issue, I'd love to have had better responses from support on account on what's being looked into and what's not, ETA for possible updates etc.

[0ldKen]

It was advertised as 4K HDR...

is it?

there’s your answer.

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

I don´t know why they do nothing. The metecritic score of users going down on both systems. I played the game two hours at these day and the headache and pain in the eyes began again. Really good missions, but to less missions to choose. This is more linear as any other title of rockstar. Is´nt it?

I´m in Act 2 of the game.

Spoiler Beware:

Gray Family, Deputy of Sheriff Grey

Spoiler end

Edited November 12, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

1 hour ago, 0ldKen said:

It was advertised as 4K HDR...

is it?

there’s your answer.

It is advertised from sony in all commercials as a full hdr 4k game. I bought the console for my twin brother for a week.

 

Now another question can it be that this game is runnin better on older Full HD Tvs. I read now a lot on reddit and the users without a big 4k tv has not that problems with the game. What a shame.

I´m sure now the big companies have enough money to bribe the big magazines like IGN. I´ve played titles like Darksiders from smaller companies that don´t benefit from the magazines ratings. The User Score is much higher as the magazine overall score.

The same for detroit become human small label smaller score but this is an absoloutely stunning must have game.

 

Now I´ve installed watch dogs 2 I became the game as a present. It looks all sharp and clean and it is a big open world title. X and pro looks nearly the same. No blur issues. God of War 4 is no real open world, but one of my faves. All open world titles, without the two rolast rockstar titles looking sharp and detailed on the pro.

-Horizon Zero Dawn

-The Witcher 3 Wild Hunt

-Assassins Creed Odyssey

-Assassins Creed Origins
-The Amazing Spiderman

Now Watchdogs 2 and I found Mafia 3 on PS4 Plus right now.

No game looks downgraded like this.

 

Can we write a letter to sony? I don´t know

This is not the game what we saw in all the trailers. This trailermaterial comes all from the PS4 Pro. This is not the game what we pay for. It was no problem for me if the developer would give us an answer and a aproxximately date for a hotfix or a patch.

Edited November 12, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

In Germany the support forum and chat is offline. I´ve looked for that for a minute.

[artur89]

look at this, some EA dev published this video about input lag:

 

 

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

Yes it is crazy. Spiderman has the lowest input lag. For me it is a big problem because of my tremor in my wrists. I can only play on standard difficulty any game.

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

Is the support forum dead in other countries too? I have open a new thread for the input lag. Can you post the video up their thanxs

The video is the revenge from EA because, Rockstar had flaming naughty dogs and ea in relation of animation for a few month. I read it on Gamestar.de and PC Games.

Edit:

That was an article from the gamescom 2018.

They Lough about the Last of us 2

The second game was the upcoming title from bioware anthem

I´m not a big fan of EAs politics but the support of games and content is a way better as this support.

 

 

I have the John Marston bug right now

What a disapointment. I missed 4 charakters. Is this the reason why I can only choose between two missions in act 2 ? Sorry this is the wrong thread, but it is all so diapointing

 

Edit:

found this one in another forum

106 sites only for this issue. This is not the only site. Here are some user that buy the x. I think they have enough money.

Members of digital foundry are posting in this thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/red-dead-redemption-2-df-analysis-read-op.76899/page-106

 

Edited November 12, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[gamingcllz]

4 hours ago, artur89 said:

look at this, some EA dev published this video about input lag:

 

 

Nice video. This always has frustrated me with R* games, but I never took to forums about anything as it struck me more as an attempt to make your character feel weighted. I dunno, just what I thought about it. 

[khajiit1]

4 hours ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

Is the support forum dead in other countries too? I have open a new thread for the input lag. Can you post the video up their thanxs

The video is the revenge from EA because, Rockstar had flaming naughty dogs and ea in relation of animation for a few month. I read it on Gamestar.de and PC Games.

Edit:

That was an article from the gamescom 2018.

They Lough about the Last of us 2

The second game was the upcoming title from bioware anthem

I´m not a big fan of EAs politics but the support of games and content is a way better as this support.

 

 

I have the John Marston bug right now

What a disapointment. I missed 4 charakters. Is this the reason why I can only choose between two missions in act 2 ? Sorry this is the wrong thread, but it is all so diapointing

 

Edit:

found this one in another forum

106 sites only for this issue. This is not the only site. Here are some user that buy the x. I think they have enough money.

Members of digital foundry are posting in this thread.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/red-dead-redemption-2-df-analysis-read-op.76899/page-106

 

It’s insane that the base PS4 version looks better than the pro. How many folks here have bitten the bullet and gotten a OneX? Might do so with next paycheck. Sony dropped the ball.

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

But the oneX has not the smooth gameplay as a pro it has. I have the x at my home. I don´t know if my tv is not compatible to the x. I have a massive input lag on all games that I´ve installed on the X. All games are not fluid on my screen. I play now in 1080p and hope that a patch comes out before christmas. I cannot play again the game on the x. I´m on 32 percent of gameplay. 

I sell my x on wednesday. I have a strong PC with a rtx 2080, but not for gaming more for my work. It is not only a gaming card it has the power of a quadro workstation card. But racing titles need a lot of frames and this titles I´m playing on my pc. Not so often but I like racing.

 

On the site that I have posted are a lot of scrrens. PS4 Pro vs X

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[Mafisen]

8 hours ago, khajiit1 said:

It’s insane that the base PS4 version looks better than the pro. How many folks here have bitten the bullet and gotten a OneX? Might do so with next paycheck. Sony dropped the ball.

About the pics here. I bought a Slim bundle for this game and it looks nowhere near what the PS4 pic looks like there, my image is way way better. More towards the One X pic. 

[Dexter757]

Make more screenshots, not perfect angle, but...
Ps4 pro version is unplayable in forest action, looks like blurry mess, i cant see enemy in where
1 - PS4 pro
2 - Xbox X

Edited November 13, 2018 by Dexter757

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

1 hour ago, Mafisen said:

About the pics here. I bought a Slim bundle for this game and it looks nowhere near what the PS4 pic looks like there, my image is way way better. More towards the One X pic. 

Then you are a lucky one

I read something on another thread. On the pro you must start in 1080p native and then switch to 2160 RGB in the Game and the game looks better. When you start in 2160RGB and switch to 1080p the PS4 Pro uses the Downsampling function. That says a member of digital foundry. The Upscaling comes not from the game or Downsampling.

The image looks cleaner as the 1920x2160 and all the details are their but a bit smoother as on the X. This is how I play now.

You can see that on your tv, when you switch from 210RGB with running Game to 1080p the tv switches to 1080p.

When you switch from 1080p native to 2160rgb with the running game the tv switches to 4k, but the game resolution is the same. THe TV upscaled the picture 4 you and it is less blurry and playable. Strangely the foliage becoming more blur on some points as in 1080p mode, but the grassdetail and texturedetail is much cleaner. You can see that the game is not using the 1080p native resolution, the sharpen slider is missing in the display settings of the game. The scaling comes from the tv.

And yes their is something really wrong with the fake hdr. This is working without the horrible hdr. It is useless

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

3 minutes ago, Dexter757 said:

Make more screenshots, not perfect angle, but...
Ps4 pro version is unplayable in forest action, looks like blurry mess, i cant see enemy in where

Can you look on your game, if that what I wrote is working for you to0? Is the second from the X. Yes gunfights in the wood are terrible in 4k resolution.

[Dexter757]

2 minutes ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

Can you look on your game, if that what I wrote is working for you to0? Is the second from the X. Yes gunfights in the wood are terrible in 4k resolution.

I play close to the 4K monitor and this method doesnt work for me, game still have insane blur.
Second screenshot from Xbox X, yes

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

That is real strange. OK I´m playing six feet away fom my 55 inch tv.

Look at this forum dexter. I hope you find a solution for you. Here are the members of the tech channel. They help a lot of users.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/red-dead-redemption-2-df-analysis-read-op.76899/page-102

 

 

The most guys in this thread are tech nerds lol.

I think we will receive in this forum earlier an answer to a bug fixing patch

 

 

Edit:

Some guy of digital foundry says the rage engine has problems with checkerboard rendering and the foliage and taa is blurring more in combination with checkerboard rendering that scales on one axes and gives the game a doubling effect on the pro.

The problem comes from the scaling of only one axes. This is why the foliage on the pro has this massive blur effect. He says other games like shadows of the tomb raider handle the taa much better, because of scaling the resolution on each axes.

This is my own interpretation what I read ot the big post of the digital foundry member. But it makes sense for me.
He wrote also that checkerboard rendering technic has a problem with transparent antaliasiang. All the foliage needs transparent antialing. This is the reason why games like shadow of the tomb raider use taa to delete the artifacts. The image with checkerboard rendering is cleaner and sharper on distance foliage, but it is shimmering without transparent antialiasing

Description transparent antialiasing is not temporal antialiasing

ok, fxaa is one of the worstest methods to fix jagged edges.  The fence is an alphates. It is a texture with a transparent channel.
Now on checkerboardrendering technique the fence would become more artifacts, because of the compression. This is why a temporal antialiasing technique is needed to delete the artifacts and increase the image quality. This is working very good, when both axes aare scaled to the same value. It is getting wrong, if one axe would only scaled.

I think the scaling on only one axe gives the doubling effect and the game should use a soft blending technique for the foliage.
You can see right now it is not little problem for rockstar. They must work on a checkerboard resolution that uses the same value in scaling on each axes.

But yes, they can give us a button to turn off motion blur and a sharpen slider in the 4k resolution.

This is an example of my own texture rework. What I do in my alphatests, transparent textures. I gave the alphachannel a smoother image, to compensate the jagged edges in game.

Look right here.

this is the alphachannel, the black colour shows the area that is tranparent in game.

This is the deffuse texture

 

 

 

It is really interesting what the cracks writing.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[lonley22]

just change the ****ing res to 2560x1440..  why is that hard?
pro can handle 1440p on many titles.. and looks great!

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

it is not one click that you do on your tv. They must program it. Yes the pro can handle it. But they program it for the whole software. No it is no easy job. The easiest way at the moment is, give us the sharpen slider and a turn off button for the agressive motion blur.

But ys with a following update they should work on a native resolution of 1440p.

But now we need asap a solution.

Another way is and this a no complicated way they give the pro users the 4k texture pack of the x and throw out the checkerboard resolution and a turn off button for the motion blur.

With TAA it will looks like nearly 4k on a good tv.

You can fix a lot with higher texture quality.

 

HäHä, they can give me the textures and I produce a high quality texture pack in a month. I have really good software for that.  Lough.

This is not a big job for a company like rockstar Games.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[niki_boxing]

hello from Spain! I've been following this topic since it was created, but I just made an account to comment today, we should bomb rockstar on twitter at the same time to see if they open their ****ing eyes 
i stuck in chapter 4 bcz its impossible to play without pain in eyes from agresive motion blur