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No spoilers. In the bear hunting mission where Hosea takes you to get a new horse he requires us to unsaddle our original Tennessee Walker (my favorite horse) and take a big one to the stables. After the mission the original horse is gone from camp. Nowhere to be found. I've done the mission twice now to try to keep my horse... Can't do it. If anyone knows what I'm doing wrong, please tell me. I don't wanna use another horse.

I don't know who you are, but I love the way you think. It's complete BS that it doesn't go out to everybody at the same time.

Thank you! To be honest, it's not just the brothels I feel it's lacking. It's romance in general -- outside of the main story that is. There are so many npcs and interesting characters, hell, Arthur's an interesting character. I wasn't expecting the pornographic GTA 5 sex scenes (well... maybe I was), but, I was certainly expecting some form of romance to give depth to the character and his journeys. I mean, the outlaw can't ever fall in love with a maiden in a town in the middle of nowhere? It just seems like wasted potential. Here's this giant romantic world (by definition, the scenery being as beautiful as it is), and your character is forever alone. All you really have the option of doing is being a Lone Ranger. I get a lot of people don't necessarily need it, but it's a noticeable exclusion from the game none the less. It wasn't forgotten, it was left out.

No spoilers, just some new information. It's been confirmed that Arthur cannot see prostitutes or engage in any sexual activity in the game. I wasn't bothered by any of the other information (like clipping of objects), but this I have to admit is a let down. This is a game where you HAVE to eat and sleep, change your clothes based on the weather, feed and look after your horse, etc. Horses dynamically crap, their testicles shrivel dynamically, animals decompose dynamically, and there are over 80 pages of dialogue for each NPC... And yet they drew the line at sex. Arthur Morgan, your Wild West outlaw, can butcher entire towns and settlements, but will never be able to visit a brothel. Figures. It made sense for John. But for Arthur? Nah. I'm still hyped for the game, but I gotta admit I don't appreciate that they purposefully kept this from the game. It's not like it was an oversight. The game has dynamic horse pooping. This was intentionally omitted from the game. A Rockstar game. Potentially the only Wild West game of this caliber that will ever exist and your outlaw can never have sex. Murder indiscriminately, sure. Sex, nah. That's too much. I don't know if you can tell -- I'm pretty salty right now.

The game comes out tomorrow night. Yesterday, I watched maybe 10 minutes of the game total. Of course, I rewatched it over and over again for like an hour. I haven't seen any story missions, or seen any characters other than Arthur for that matter. What I have seen is, again, 10 minutes of Arthur walking around a town in the early game. I saw him go into a gun store, stay at a hotel and take a bath. I also saw some of the people walking and working, and I saw some of the mountain views. Holy lord is this game immersive. It was one of the first leaks. Luckily the Russian kid who posted it didn't put in any spoilers. All I have to say is that the game feels more like a movie than a video game. In 3rd person anyway. The camera angles coupled with Arthurs movements make it feel like a real person moving around in the world. I also noticed how fluidly small cutscenes integrate themselves as transitions. If you go into a bath you see a cutscene of Arthur opening the door and getting in the bathtub -- and it's so fluid. And the MUSIC! It's modern electronic, but made to sound western and it just fits in so... Fluidly. That's really the only word I can find for this world. You know it's a video game, but it feels like a real place. It's like nothing I've ever seen in a game before. I'm honestly really interested to see if this cinematic feeling stays throughout the game. Either way, the leak got me hyped, but I saw a few thumbnails later on yesterday that felt way too spoilery, so I decided I'm gonna wait it out until tomorrow and avoid these leaks like the plague. I hear there are HOURS of gameplay out there now. The last thing I wanna do is watch a cooking video and find myself staring at a video title spoiling the end of the game. Stay cautious guys.

I just don't want being evil to effect the storyline. I don't want any potential romances or friendships to be locked out just because I play as a psychopath. That's one of the things I liked about GTA 5. It was more or less consequence free. Just go crazy and then continue on with the story. But this, here, you're stuck paying for your actions throughout the game. It makes me think twice about being a psychopath.

One of my biggest fears for this game is the morality or honor system. I want to play the game as a morally grey character. A character who steals and murders indiscriminately, but donates to, encourages, and loyally fights beside his fellow gang members. I wanna be a black hat that truly loves his brothers and sisters in his gang. But, I don't know that that'll be possible. It seems like the honor system will be rather linear. You're either a good guy or a bad guy. I've seen this happen before in games. Mass Effect. Fable. I really hope rockstar has focused on individual npc relationships over generic honor. I'd like to know that a really bad guy can be friends with the good gang members and vice versa. I could never bring myself to be the full black hat who doesn't help out around the camp and makes fun of John for his scars, but I also get sick at the thought of being the straight up white hat who only ever steals from the rich. I guess I just find pure moral or immoral characters disinteresting. I want to be able to choose my actions (helping or hurting npcs) individually in each situation. And I'd like to do this without worrying about a "reputation" or moral line being crossed. What about you guys? Do you wanna be a Robin Hood, a dirty dan, or someone who changes between good and evil depending on the situation?

I don't know that there will be DLC... Or, at least I don't trust that there will be. DLC isn't as profitable as it was before online microtransactions. GTA 5 was meant to have DLC's. One for each character. They all got scrapped when R* saw the ungodly amount of moolah they could make through shark cards. And to be honest, I genuinely think if RDR2 online get's to that level of success they'll scrap main story DLC too. This is the burden of being a giant corporation. They can afford to make giant, beautiful and immersive games, but they HAVE to make money for their investors. If they don't, the investors walk away. And so naturally, the bigger a company gets the more calculated it gets in extracting money from their customers. Even if it's by delivering a sub par experience to the customer -- hence GTA online

Agreed. I'm really excited for story mode. But my interest starts and ends there. Maybe R* can change my mind by making online a more player friendly -- but considering one of the exclusive digital pre-order bonuses for the $100 ultimate edition of the game is a quick rank up to level 25 in RDR2 online... All I'm seeing is red flags. Either way, so long as they haven't stripped features from RDR2's main story (like they did for GTA5, promising your character could buy apartments before making it exclusive to GTAO) I won't be bothered by what they do with RDR online. Here's hoping our hype is justified!

That's my point. R* literally designed online to be a GRIND. It was never meant to be a rewarding experience of building a criminal empire from scratch. It was intentionally created to frustrate teenagers into buying shark cards. And luxury items like yachts (which you said yourself have no utility outside of "bragging rights") were placed into the game to make teenagers jealous of each other to the point of buying shark cards to get to the level of their in game friends. R* utilizes the same type of predatory practices that Facebook does. It creates social imbalances where people feel the need to compete. In the same way people on social media NEED people to press the like button on their photos, GTAO players (especially young teenage ones) feel the NEED to own luxury items in the game (especially when their buddies own apartments and full garages and a collection of yachts). And they'll shell out $20+ a month of their parents money to buy a couple mill a year in the game. You said it yourself, you needed get rich quick tutorials to help you make money in the game. You couldn't have done it intuitively by just playing missions and having fun. I'm also guessing (I may be wrong) that it wasn't all pleasant. A lot of your wealth building in game was a tireless grind. Not enjoyable or rewarding in the same way buying a shark card gives you instant gratification.

That's a lie. You cannot EARN a $20,000,000 yacht in GTAO. You cannot start as a level 1 character and work your way to having a hundred million dollars. The only people who've achieved that are shark card buyers and hackers. Hackers which R* doesn't even bother to get rid of. No journalist has played the final version of RDR2 from start to finish yet. A couple hours in a demo doesn't reflect a final product. I'm not trying to be cynical here, and I get everyone here is a fan. I'M A FAN. I'm just saying -- you guys are clearly expecting a 10/10 game. Not hoping, not believing. You guys are so over hyped it's blinding you. I'm not bashing you guys. I'm hyped too. I just don't outright believe this game will be without it's faults. I'm looking closely at what's being given and I see some patterns of withholding things from games to hide behind paywalls that I don't like

I was there day 1 of GTA online. It barely even worked. I waited 2 years for heists, and when they came I only ever finished 2 of them. They required a party of 4 at all times in a game where most players are scumbags looking to kill noobs for fun. I was expecting payday 2. I felt duped. Honestly, when R* says there'll be heists in RDR2 I'm expecting maybe 3 to 5 in the main storyline. Nothing else. I believed them when they advertised heists as a radiant thing in GTA 5. I won't make that mistake again. And honestly, you're not wrong by thinking their businesses practices with online are scummy. There are PLENTY of game breaking problems that make it impossible for new players to enjoy themselves online. Especially when you consider level 400 veterans butchering level 1 players in helicopters. R* doesn't mind those problems. F the players. BUT as soon as a money making glitch is found -- INSTANTLY FIXED. They can't risk players making money in the game. If they did they wouldn't buy shark cards with their parents money. These are the things which make me uncomfortable with all the hype I have now. I can't stop thinking about this game, and yet, I was here before -- 5 years ago. And once the high ran off a week into the game I realized how hollow it truly was. Embarrassing. I'm HOPING Rockstar realized the massive amount of loyalty and respect (and money) that CDPR got for their pro-consumer practices with The Witcher, and I hope they're taking steps towards implementing those types of pro customer practices in their games as well. That being said, I don't expect it. Too many shareholders demanding a quick profit. And we're seeing them push pre-order bonuses and special editions and $100 MERCHANDISE BOXES (that don't even include the RDR2 game!). Red flags are everywhere.

I'm afraid that R* is going to strip customization features from the game in order to force microtransactions or get you to play online. What has me worried is - a. GTA Online. Enough said. And b. They're adding things like special outfits and black horses and special unique saddle gear for special editions of the game. To me, anything that I get in game should be achieved organically. Any outfit I get should be earned or come across organically. Any horse I get should be bought or earned. I don't wanna have things given to me behind pay walls with no effort. Besides, the fact that they are offering a pure black horse as a special edition bonus means that you can't earn one in the base game. If you could the SE bonus wouldn't be special. No pure black horses in the base game. Let that sink in. Honestly, I'm afraid that I (and this community) is too hyped. Rather like we were for GTA 5 five years ago. And we're blinding ourselves to the fact that R* has had some shady quick buck practices that strips features from the game just to net them extra profit in the past. I hope I'm wrong. I'm really excited for RDR2. I just can't keep letting myself get overhyped for things. I really need to commit to playing the game first. If you think about it, we've all determined that this will be the best book in the history of literature, just by looking at the cover. None of us have played it yet. So... As the days get closer, I find myself getting wearier.

To be fair, the father's lucky. The kid could have gotten to the torture sequence. Poor kid would have needed therapy.

By this logic what is the point of an RPG? Do you think the fishing or poker or hunting or the knife mini-game that's been confirmed for RDR2 is "part of the story"? How about the theatre shows or randomly robbing people on the road. The whole point of an RPG is freedom to move away from the story and live life in THAT WORLD as though it's a real place. To create your own story outside of the narrative. Every side quest and mini game was added "for the sake of being added". For the sake of giving the player a chance to live out Wild West fantasies inside a high quality simulation. All I'm asking is why in an adult game with gratuitous amounts of gore it's frowned upon to have the freedom to have sex. GTA 5 literally had an un-skippable torture sequence - no one batted an eye. But the idea of having a brothel makes people angry. Why? You don't have to visit it. But if the game claims to be an RPG the option should be there. Especially with the companies history with GTA. All I know is that I will never get the chance to live in the Wild West. And when some multi billion dollar gaming company makes a Wild West simulator with unnecessary amounts of blood and gore I'd hope they allow for sex and romance in it as well. Not pornography, to be sure, but something along the lines of GTA 5. They say this is an RPG. The whole basis of the game is -- heres the Wild West, you're free to be whatever you want.

Okay. Define small capacity though. Personally, I think the game has confirmed so much gore that not including sex seems kinda ridiculous. Animals and people can have limbs blown off and blood spurt everywhere. People can be graphically stabbed in the back, neck and chest with blood spurts. Animals can be hunted and skinned in graphic detail (reviewers said it's unnerving to watch). Hunted animal carcasses literally ROT over time. This isn't a children's game. They're creating an all out gorey adult Wild West simulacrum. I'm not asking for Westworld levels of detail, but honestly, with this much death and gore, if I can't visit a few brothels in the game and at minimum get a fade to black I'm gonna think theres seriously wrong with the in office politics here. As for you personally, you say you don't need sex to make a game interesting. I can respect that, and I really appreciate that you weren't belittling me. That said, I and many others don't really need flying limbs to make a game interesting -- and yet it's in here anyway. Plus, I wasn't the first to make a thread about this. There are probably a dozen threads ranging back the last two years. People, adults, are interested in playing games with at least minor sexual content. I find it hard to get invested in characters if theres no romantic or sexual base to their story because it's just so unrealistic. Even GTA 5 had romance intertwined with the characters themselves. Amanda, Tanisha, Patricia. It adds humanity to the characters.

One of the biggest problems I see in video games is that money is worthless outside of upgrading your weapons and armor. I hope this game will allow us to make serious purchases like player homes (although I don't see how, considering the gang camps). I really don't want to be a millionaire in the game with nothing but horses and guns to spend my money on. The Wild West is an incredible setting and I hope this "RPG" will give money purpose outside of buying weapons that I'll only ever use to make more money. Second off, sex. Salty topic, I know. I've seen a few threads from months back where people asked if it was in the game -- it always ended with posters being called virgins and being told it's stupid to want sex in video games. Listen... Why it's "morally" okay to simulate shooting someones limbs off (which we saw in the gameplay) and other horror and gore, but it's somehow gross to simulate sex, is beyond me. I happened to love the Westworld brothel scenes. I'll honestly be disappointed if it doesn't appear in the game. It's a big part of Wild West fiction. It also gives you something else to spend money on. Do I think it'll be in the game? No. And I say this because the game has (Sexual content) in the ESRB label, whereas GTA 5 had (Strong sexual content) in the label. So, even if it does appear, I don't think it'll be to the extent of GTA 5. Which is a shame. If I'm gonna simulate a gangster outlaw in the Wild West, I wanna be able to visit a brothel every now and then. Call me immature, you're still paying $60 to simulate murder. You can't be that morally superior. Thoughts, opinions?