MN32410 Red_&_Dead

So my friends. I have received an answer from a editorial guy of the pc games. Look right here and use the translator http://forum.pcgames.de/kommentare-action/9378882-red-dead-redemption-2-nein-danke-kolumne-zum-western-boykott.html

No but it is unplayable with the blur in a lot of gunfights

You are right dubya75 It is only the presentation on ps4 pro. In all other technical aspects this is one of the best looking games I´ve ever played. God of War is for me not one of the best, but this is a subjektiv meaning from yself. But this is the best looking open world game when the blur issue wouldn´t be in most aspects. Only the charaktermodels, looking on ore two games a bit better. But this is a subjective meaning too. It is the style of rockstars charaktermodels. It is a trademark of Rockstar.

Dubya watch for your words in this forum, I receive a ban for 48 hours for a few days. I must correct you the boost mode is in the ps4 pro firmware integrated since the firmware update 4.50 . Yes we are all frustrated. I use to harsh words to some users here in the forum. I would receive a totally ban, if i would talking harsh again to users in this forum. I hope they learned from us. Look at nixxes they do know one of the best support jobs for the pc users on steam, becaause the game was bombed in user reviews down to the ground. Nixxes created Shadows of the Tomb Raider. Edit: So much trolls and Rockstar Fanboys in the German Forum. No wonder a lot of users in this forum swimming with the stream and the editors too. It is Art style of the game I think I must wait, for the PC Release and buy it only if it is cheaper and all is fixed. I think a bigger wave comes up, when the online mode comes out. A lot of players could not play with all this blur online. Because of fast aiming and trophy hunting. E-sports

PS4 Pro has the boost mode. But the Boost mode is only for older games out of the period of standard PS4 to give players more stable 30 fps with older games. Newer games not needed the boost mode. You find the boostmode under your settings/systemsettings. Here you find the HDCP mode too. Short video for explanation For me it is a placebo to turn off Boost mode in RDR2. Some users say it works. I´m using the B Version with the more silent fan of PS4 Pro.

For me only in 1080p mode. But I think it is a placebo. Vielleicht hole ich mir zu Weihnachten doch nochmal die X. Ich kann es so beim besten Willen nicht spielen.

The worst is, a lot of people think really that comes from our Tv´s I have a discussion in the german forum of gamepro. Your tv is crap, Buy a new tv. Posting videos with the same issues, but don´t realize it. It is a good idea to send a link of this forum, to the supervisor of rockstar. But this is the first real answer of a rockstar support guy. All the other answers are generated. In the german forum, the users became the same answers. It looks like they heard it, but it's not their first priority "For now, there's nothing else you need to provide us"  No answer of editorial team. This is the reason for me.

Temporal Antialiasing would be not shown in Images or Fotomode. TAA. It is the same in some PC Games. That is the Effect of the Postprocessing Antialiasing. I´m wondering how could anyone on the ps4 pro use the upcoming battle royal mode in 4k resolution mode So i will now discuss this problem more in a german forum and I receive a lot of answers, but so many trolls in this forum:( I hope iwill receive an answer from the editorial team of game pro magazine. Sorry my grammar is out of order at the moment. I write this on german. Das temporale Antialiasing wird nicht in Screenshots angezeit, es ist das gleiche bei einigen PC Spielen zum Beispiel: F1 2017 und F1 2018

You must have been eyes that recognize not those blur. Look at the foliage. It is all blurred. You have the same issues. Are you playing on full hd. The problem is much lesser on 1080p. This is a problem of the 4k mode. If you are happy of that, no problem 4 you. Look at my screenshots of odyssey and look at my videos of other open world titles like the witcher 3 wildhunt or Horizon Zero Dawn. It is abig difference in sharpness. So, you are a happy guy, if you can life with those blur issues. Thanxs for your reply.

Yes the motion blur effect is to agressive, with enemy you can´t focus anything because of the blur. I´ve written something about the blur in a german forum for 5 Mins. Sorry Leute könnt ihr bitte mal ansprechen dass das Spiel auf einer PS4 Pro im 4k Modus nahezu unspielbar ist, aufgrund der schlechten Bildqualität. das Spiel wird hier überall zum Himmel gepriesen, aber das Spiel ist aufgrund der schlechten Bildqualität unspielbar. Im Wald verschwimmt alles bei schnellen Bewegungen zu einem Brei. Die Pro hat doch das Potential. Schaut Euch doch mal bitte diesen Thread im Forum Rdr2.org an oder auf Retera, warum liest man darüber nichts eine Menge PS4 PRO Besitzer führen sich von Rockstar zurecht hinters Licht geführt.Der Bluranteil im Spiel ist so hoch das man es maximal eine Stunde spielen kann ohne Kopfschmerzen und Augenschmerzen zu bekommen. Bitte berichtet darüber und wenn ihr könnt redet mit Rockstar.Das ist das Spiel was wir eine Woche vorher im finalen Trailer gesehen haben. Hat Rockstar eine Fusion mit Microsoft? Dazu kommt Rockstar bietet den schlechtesten Support an in der ganzen Gamingbranche. Sie sollten mal schauen was Ubisoft im Moment für de Community tut oder Nixxes. Besten Dank

Oh it looks like that the most of the community give up right now. Is the Thread closed now? Thanxs all of the good guuys right here. Why is the game looking so good on your rig. On my rig fur is not visible, because of the blur But now I think odyssey do a better job, ok it is adifferent game, but I´ve a lot of more fun with odyssey. I can relax and play the game. Bye Bye rockstar.

hdr fix nothing more. angry I made a video of the beginning from AC Odyssey, Now I will create a video of RDR2 with forest scenes to comparison. This is how checkerboard can work on foliage and how a game looks with lesser blur effects. The lighting is awesome too. This runs with any dips. Enjoy it. Video is not done. It take 15 mins and than I create a video of red dead redemption with scenes to comparison. Especially of trees and running in the forest. My own footage of the beginning in kephalenia of AC Odyssey. Look at the detail of forests textures. But someone that can speak good english must send the comparisons and images to a platform where a lot of more users can see this issues. I have no account to twitch or twitter. I want no accout, because of private data transfer. The lighting and shadows are really the best in rdr2 of any game The level of detail in forests is very high. But the foliage blurs to hell. I made this video without the switching from 1080p to 4k resolution.The video is started in the 4k mode without hdr. Yes without hdr it has nothing to do with hdr. The image is blurry as hell. Odyssey has very good drawing distance and a lot of details, but looks more like a cgi disney movie in comparison to RDR2. RDR2 has a special look, cinematic cine style, Very realistic lighting and shadows, but I´m sure the pro can handle this game with less blur. This is how a game looks when all postprocessing effects are to agressive in connection with taa and checkerboard rendering. Edit: I have created a video of forest scenes of witcher 3 with horseriding this is better for comparison. Here you can see how much foliage a ps4 pro can handle. The setting is better, because odyssey has a mediterran setting. They are no tall trees and green grass. The Witcher 3 shows how a wood can look with 2160p checkerboarding on the pro. I played a scene in Whitegarden. You can see folks this has nothing to do with any tv settings this is a calibrated tv. I´m using hdr on my tv in the witcher 3 and AC Odyssey, but the share function of the ps4 can´t handle HDR. Check it out: At last I will show you the nature of horizon zero dawn and the best hdr integretaioin in a videogame I´m uploading the video right now. This is the best example how good a exclusive open world title can look on sonys plastation 4 pro And this is why I think Rockstar has a deal with Microsoft and corrupting sony. That are all good examples that can show you the power of a PS4 Pro Look at the high details on forest ground the implemantation of snow, water, shadows and lighting in combination with the best HDR you can have. RDR2 is now the only title that has a massive improvement and is a reason to buy an X. No other titles looks that good as sonys exclusive games. Edit: Odyssey has a new, upade. The sixth update in six weeks. This is how support works. Tomb Raider receives an update the seventh update in 8 weeks. What do you think about it Rockstar Games.? This developerteams hd a crunchtime too. No update for RDR2

The graphic is a lot better. Wait a half hour. I will show you how great it looks. Edit: This is my ingame footage from odyssey. All runs like butter. I´ve looked for scenes that show, that the PS4 Pro can handle massive foliage anf high drawing distance with hdr 10 please click with the lense oder in deutsch Lupe into the image that you see the totally quality of the images. You can see no blur in all scenes. Sharpen edges and foliage and good texture quality Like a holidaytrip This is for all XBox Fanboys that talk about that the ps4 pro and ps4 pro Checkerboarding is crap Whad do you think about it? Can someone make pics of rdr2 2 for comparison?

No the odyssey scene is not preprogrammed and it looks way better in the actual version. The foliage quality is really amazing on odyssey and the drawing distance. Tomb Raider looks good too, but thtis is not a open worl title. I will post pictures tommorow from ingame scenes on the pro. But the pic looks more like my pc version of odyssey without hdr. The hdr is one of the best in any games right now. It looks superb. I´ve send in my last ticket image comparisons of odyssey and rdr2 to show the blurring issue. It´s my TV guys. It is not the game 🤣

It should real for me too, because I read something about the boost mode in another forum. But they want fix only the hdr problem. This is not causing all the blur. NO I think that´s it now. They fixing only the hdr isuue because, this issue is on X too. Microsoft paid Rockstar. Big corruption and bribery. I want my money back. This game is unplayable for me in forest scenes. I must use pills for my pain that I can play for 1 or to hours at a day. That is a peece of sh...t That takes the cake. 😱

but the light and special effects and ambient occlusion is way better in RDR2. It is only the blur that destroys the immersion and experience. Is this a fake. Can someone explain to me why we should disable to improve this issue?. I read for a week you should disable the boost mode to decrease the issue with blur. ???

Assassins Creed Odyssey is one of the best looking and crispest game on the ps4 pro. The overall performance in big cities is overwhelming me. No stuttering since the last update in the biggest cities. I can post screenshots of my version and red dead redemption 2 tomorrow.

That is why I will found a popular site where I can bomb down the support politics of rockstar. IGN or something else? A bomb like a petition, but a bit harsher. They must pay for this fail. Ubi has learned about those politics a lot on the last releases. This must burn like napalm in the face of the rockstar boss. I gave back to pros that I bought for a good friend of mine and my twin brother. Bundled versions with rdr 2. Now I will write why I have given it back on amazon. I will post something of that what I wrote right here on amazon. They are no brainer in the support chat and bots to answer your questions. The bots are out of data or using a c 64 or nes A chimpanse or orang utan can give you a better answer. Ugh.. You can talk about the weather or the sin of life and death and you would receive the same answer. I´m sure. Or the three little pigs.

It seems to be a real big issue for me. I will post this now all on the digital foundry channel on you tube. I hope they throw out another video. The df thread is closed and they are to many users in this thread i would all explain that on this thread. I need someone that has the technical experience to discuss about the game engine itself. Now I think they use for the x no taa instead msaa with alpha to coverage technics. The motion blur and depth of field effect is the same. THe hdr quality is lesser on the x it looks a lot more washed out with the same settings that I use for my pro. srgb calibrated. Can someone tell me where I found a forum to talk about this technical aspects. Digital foundry is closed. And now I´m sure the technique cannot produce HDR. Modern engines are not using alpha to coverage they boost up the performance with temporal antialiasing, Like battlefield one, frostbyte engine titles. They can´t use Alpha to coverage. To boost up the performance on the pro they use Checkerboard TAA and the Alpha Blend technique for the foliage. The x will use supersampling or multisampling for the foliage and use the alpha to coverge technique to reduce the blur. The PS4 Pro has not the power to use this technic in 4k, but in the 1080p mode. Alpha to coverage to sharpen the foliage without jagged edges can only used without temporal antialiasing like taa and fxaa. This images are coming from the final release trailer from playstation. I´ve looked for cinematic scenes with cinematic motion blur. This looks different to the final output retail on the pro. THE IMAGES ARE LOOKING ONLY A LITTLE BIT SOFTER AS THE IMAGES ON THE X. THIS IS NOT THE VERSION THAT WE RECEIVE: Charakter Close Ups Seems to be Downgraded, because of the massive blur in the retail. Can someone post this pictures on a similar channel on twitter or on facebook. I´m not using facebook anymore and twitter is not working for me. Is someone on twitter?

The blur has nothing to do with HDR. Sorry I´ve worked on a dx 9 gameengine and push the maximum out of it and the blur has nothing to do with hdr. The hdr gaves the washed out colours that´s it. This is what I want explain in many technical ways right here. This is not gamebreaking. The blur dtat dimms up and down in scenes with a lot of smoke and foliage is gamebreaking and destroys the immersion of this game on the pro. You can´t focus anything on those scenes and this gives the illness and tired eyes for a lot of users. This is what I would explain the community support and I wrote that in my tickets and receive answers of tv hdr calibration. That is the point for me.

Sorry, but this are all technical aspects that can produce this issues for me. It is not only the hdr problem anymore and it has not only to do with the checkerboarding. It is special. Strange is why we have scenes that are clear and crisp and other scenes that are blurry as hell. This is no issue of checkerboarding. In the woods and in the camps it must have been something to do with soft blending foliage on the pro. Look right here the taa and the checkerboarding with a soft blending of the foliage ruins the image in the forest and ruins details like beardhair, hair and other Alphatextures, the taa and the checkerboarding causes the doubling effect and a bit of ghosting. The Alphablending do the rest. https://medium.com/@bgolus/anti-aliased-alpha-test-the-esoteric-alpha-to-coverage-8b177335ae4f Sorry Ross 101 I´m going a bit off of the real discussion of this thread, but I studying the issues right now.

Thgis is strange I´m on 60 Hz with my display in 4k and 120 on 1080p I´ve tested the original cable of the pro with my tv and it looks a lot more blurry. I´m using a 10 bit premium cable and it looks a lot crisper, because that can be the point, that titles on the x are not looking so much better on my x. The signal is stronger on the pro. I don´t know if this can be an issue to with pal and ntsc. I see now on 50 hz my x gives me a black screen on red dead redemption 2. No matter the version of the x that I have is no german version. It is an import version. But the blur is for me now more the strong motion blur in horseriding and gunfights in the wood with a lot of special effects. This is now my biggest problem. Only with the dead eye cam I can see the bandits. Sorry guys. I can open a new thread for this.

No it is nearly no difference. On release the performance was better on the x but now the game runs rock solid for me on the pro and looks amazing with hdr. I think this is the problem right here, but a lot of users know, that the pro is no bad console. This is really bad for the Playstation users and fanbase.

The PS4 has a lot of high quality exclusives that microsoft can´t beat at this time. - Horizon Zero Dawn - The Last of Us - Bloodbourne -The complete Uncharted series - The Amazing Spiderman - God of War 4 - Ratchet and Clank -Detroit become human and some more I think I forgot a few.

Yes i bought the bundle for 449 Euros. The bundle is now sold out on amazon Germany.