Ross101 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 Just now, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said: Thank you. 🤠 Don’t accept their “it’s your tv/console” bullsh*t make sure you tell them it’s the game
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Dubya 76 you are right. On my screen 1080p has the same issues and it is not acceptable to play games on a 4k tv on 1080p. THe supersampling mode gave me the same result. Is here a guy that is playing on pc too? Pc owners will know that this can be a problem of the usage off taa and downsampling. It is nearlly the same effect.
khajiit1 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 2 minutes ago, Ross101 said: Don’t accept their “it’s your tv/console” bullsh*t make sure you tell them it’s the game Yep, and also push back if they mention "just downgrade the resolution to 1080p". This game is so amazing except for the 4K implementation on PS4Pro. I really hope they fix it.
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Ross101 said: I have just had this reply from rockstar after allegedly “investigating” it as you can see from my response I’m not happy with it 8 minutes ago, Ross101 said: https://support.rockstargames.com/ you need to log in then click contact us No, it is all fine on other games. I´m good in configurating my hardware. It is definitely a problem of the software. So I´m writing now a letter to the support. I will gave you more informations, when I become the answer of the support team I´m a graphics modder of some games. F1 2014, 2013, Grid Autosport ....Elex Vegetation Mod and Texture Mods and optimizations for RIsen, Risen 2 and Risen 3 Edited October 31, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead
khajiit1 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 40 minutes ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said: So, I have the same issuess with blurriness. I´m from German. I think they must kick off the Temporal Antialiasing. TAA is blurring the graphics to much on lower resolutions as native 4k or native 1440 p. I have a lot of issues with that postprocessing antialiasing on pc on a lot of modern games. I Think the combination of a new resolution format of checkerboard rendering and the taa is the reason for this blurriness. I think they use dynamic resolution for Antialiasing. It is the same sh... on Odyssey on the PC with this antialiasing technique. On adaptive the antialiasing resolution will reduced and yyou become this unsharpen washed out effect on middle and on high drawing distances. I dont know why they use TAA with checkerboarding. You don´t need TAA on TV on higher resolutions. If you use premium cable and superresolution Technique on your TV. I have a LG 8500SK with Nanocell Technique and all my other games looking amazing with this TV on PS4 Pro. I´m Using the Belkin ULtra HD 2.1 Cable for best speed in processing the images and reducing input lag to zero in most games. It is a much better experience to play, but this game is really strange. In interiors like the saloon all looks washed out, when you moving your character. For me HDR isn´t the problem. Yes the pro Version has a contrast bug in HDR. You can use for LCD a brightness of 260 or higher and turn down your backlight of your tv. The strange thing is, the game looks on start razor sharp with default settings on start of the game. I it looks like vaseline on my screen in Cutcenes and on horseriding. Another problem is, why we have not the sharpen filter of the 1080p mode in the high resolution mode. This filter is a luma sharpen filter and it will not desroy the performance. I think they is some really wrong with the goldversion of the PS4 Pro. Another think is the installation size of the game. On my pro it takes 92,3 GB. Why is the one version so big? I think the best solution was they gave us native widescreen resolution with smaa antialiasing filtering. It looks good enough on most TVs. I hope a patch is coming soon. I´´´m not one of those guys that bash on the developper teams. The most of gamers do not know, how hard work it is to bring out games of this quality. I mean Odyssey for sure and Red Dead Redemption. But this is a problem that is more, than a quest bug or a texture glitch or anything else. I,m a big fan of digital foundrys game analyses. This guys are experts and very professionell in analysing. I hope they talk with rockstar to find a solution for this bad implementation of taa and checkerboard rendering. No the pro is´nt to slow to handle this better. You can see that on Odyssey, Horizon Zero Dawn or the Witcher. Or look at Ghost Recon Wildlands and this is a Multiplayer Game and it runs fine and the graphic is not poor. Razor sharp is wrong. Razor sharp is not a factor of good image quality. It looks heavily detailed on all distances. ...For two seconds. And yes I hate two strong looking motion blur effects and depth of field too. This effects are good for cutcenes or finish moves, but not for world exploring. Yeah, I heard DF mention the anti-aliasing. Sometimes, I'd rather have jaggies than blurry shapes so the AA use in this game is way over the top. This just contributes to the overall blurriness of the game I bet.
khajiit1 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Another article on the topic: https://gearnuke.com/red-dead-redemption-2-worst-4k-hdr-ps4-pro/
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 So, I wrote a chat tichet to the support team. I hope, I become an answer soon.
Skysaw Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Xbox user here. I just dropped by to say I hope they fix that quickly for you guys. Sucks to not be getting the beautiful game you see in the trailers. On the Xbox side, we're also having issues with the HDR. I've been fiddling with options on my TV to optimize for RDR2, even if it makes other games worse for the time being, since I plan on focusing only on this game for awhile. For the moment, I have HDR off, but I'll probably mess around with some more settings tonight to see what I can get. 1 1
khajiit1 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 3 minutes ago, Skysaw said: Xbox user here. I just dropped by to say I hope they fix that quickly for you guys. Sucks to not be getting the beautiful game you see in the trailers. On the Xbox side, we're also having issues with the HDR. I've been fiddling with options on my TV to optimize for RDR2, even if it makes other games worse for the time being, since I plan on focusing only on this game for awhile. For the moment, I have HDR off, but I'll probably mess around with some more settings tonight to see what I can get. Thank you for the kind words. Yeah it's almost made me consider buying an XBOX ONEX just to get the whole experience. The HDR is definitely off on both platforms so hopefully this will get addressed as well. Meanwhile on twitter, looks like @rockstarsupport has their hands full with some of the other issues like dissapearing campmates and games getting stuck on the Loading screen.
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 I´m sending this video to the support team. This is exactly my problem. Thanks Mr. 4k Upscaler for the Video. I send this one, because this guy using only high quality tvs. 2
Dubya75 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 19 minutes ago, Skysaw said: Xbox user here. I just dropped by to say I hope they fix that quickly for you guys. Sucks to not be getting the beautiful game you see in the trailers. On the Xbox side, we're also having issues with the HDR. I've been fiddling with options on my TV to optimize for RDR2, even if it makes other games worse for the time being, since I plan on focusing only on this game for awhile. For the moment, I have HDR off, but I'll probably mess around with some more settings tonight to see what I can get. I really wouldn't bother trying to get HDR working. It really is broken. It is actually a fake implementation. Not really HDR at all. I saw a guy analyze it and white levels for example only have 100 nits. With HDR, white should be around 1000 nits! So yeah, keep HDR off until R* decide to stop bullshitting 10 million people and implement actual working HDR. 1
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Yes I think it is fake HDR too. This is really no good implementation. You can see it, when you play with the HDR brightness slider. THe whites are bleeding out if you push the brightness, but this is necessary to enhance the level of detail. Really good implementations for me with good configuration your HDR are the last two AC Titles of Ubisoft, but only on console. Yeah. The stunning HDR of Horizon Zero Dawn. THis is HDR. So I will create now a video that discribe my problems and send it to the support of Rockstar Games. Edited October 31, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
Nightwulf1974 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Not trying to spam this link again, but for those who may have missed it, and would like to send this link to Rockstar support, their social media, etc. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-whats-up-with-red-dead-redemption-2s-hdr
Theolaitdoux Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Nightwulf1974 said: N'essayez plus de spammer ce lien, mais pour ceux qui l'auraient manqué et qui souhaiteraient envoyer ce lien au support Rockstar, à leurs médias sociaux, etc. https://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2018-whats-up-with-red-dead-redemption-2s-hdr Digital Foundry release a video for the Problem that blurry ps4 pro please
George110 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Hello guys, it was Saturday when i first started RDR2, PS4 Pro user here with TCL P6 HDR tv, so the whole day i spent in callbration, my brother was mad about me doing whole day calibration, but it was very clear that something was wrong with the picture, i’m glad that i’m not alone and dozens of people having the same problem, let’s push Rockstar to fix blur and HDR issue... Edited October 31, 2018 by George110 1
Godlike Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 HDR is unfixable probably. It's the way the game was created and it was created to work in SDR. Adding HDR on top of it won't work.
Nightwulf1974 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 New video from Digital Foundry. No way Rockstar can ignore this: 5
Avean Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 I feel they gonna patch it, its just too much noise for Sony to handle i think. And if they fix the blur its really going to look almost identical to X and fixing HDR would be a bonus. 2
Godlike Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Great work guys. This is our success. They will have to patch it
Theolaitdoux Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Il y a 25 minutes, Nightwulf1974 a déclaré: Nouvelle vidéo de Digital Foundry. Aucune façon Rockstar peut ignorer ceci: Oh Yeaaaaaaaaah, it's a Bomb that Just Be launched by Digital foundry right in the face of Rockstar and Sony, it's a Big positive new, we Just have to wait now!
SirParcival Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 I like how this thread has 1,000,000 views and an army of people posting, reporting, and generally making noise to get this fixed. MEANWHILE... over at the HDR thread, it's a battle just to convince 4 people that the fact that they shipped 100% fake non-existant HDR is even a PROBLEM. Imagine if you were promised native 4k, or even checkerboarded 4k, then you buy the game, boot it up, and the game's resolution is 1080p with no option to change it. Now imagine that you had to battle with gamers who are ON YOUR SIDE just to convince them that this "issue" is even worth caring about. "I mean, 1080p... 4k... who really cares? You're nitpicking bro." !@#% 1 1
Ross101 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 39 minutes ago, Nightwulf1974 said: New video from Digital Foundry. No way Rockstar can ignore this: Is it just me or do they not seem to make that much of an issue of it? They seem more bothered about frame rate
artur89 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 (edited) Very good news, good to know this is going forward, they must fix everything. - Resolution; - Multisampling; - Anti-aliasing; - Motion blur (change level); - Depth of field; - True HDR; Edited October 31, 2018 by artur89 1
Ross101 Posted October 31, 2018 Author Posted October 31, 2018 There’s been over 16,000 views on this thread so there’s clearly people not happy with the game we should try and get everyone on here to tweet rockstar with the link to the digital foundry video and the hashtag #fixyourgame They should notice us 😂 1
Theolaitdoux Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 9 minutes ago, Ross101 said: Il y a eu plus de 16 000 vues sur ce fil, donc il y a clairement des gens qui ne sont pas contents du jeu. nous devrions essayer de faire en sorte que tout le monde soit sur Twitter pour tweeter rockstar avec le lien vers la vidéo de fonderie numérique et le hashtag #fixyourgame Ils devraient nous remarquer Done !
theLich Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 Glad I found you guys, thought I was turning into a master-race graphic whore) Wrote up to R* support recently with a similar issue, will post here if answered with something interesting. I can't help but start squinting and get eye strain after some time (yup, I'm getting old but still recent God of War sessions were longer and didn't have any side effects). I mean, come on - with flawless One X version in one hand and a handful of titles (like God of War/Uncharted 4 I've been playing recently) in another there must be something better for us Pro owners. Yes, I do understand that we may not get the SAME quality as One X 'cause of simple raw power, but something needs to be done. 1
khajiit1 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 1 hour ago, Nightwulf1974 said: New video from Digital Foundry. No way Rockstar can ignore this: Holy crap. So that's why 1080p looks completely different than the 4K in PS4Pro. God I hope they are compelled to patch this.
RMC564 Posted October 31, 2018 Posted October 31, 2018 41 minutes ago, SirParcival said: I like how this thread has 1,000,000 views and an army of people posting, reporting, and generally making noise to get this fixed. MEANWHILE... over at the HDR thread, it's a battle just to convince 4 people that the fact that they shipped 100% fake non-existant HDR is even a PROBLEM. Imagine if you were promised native 4k, or even checkerboarded 4k, then you buy the game, boot it up, and the game's resolution is 1080p with no option to change it. Now imagine that you had to battle with gamers who are ON YOUR SIDE just to convince them that this "issue" is even worth caring about. "I mean, 1080p... 4k... who really cares? You're nitpicking bro." !@#% First world problems.... The only problem I have with any of this, is that people are saying it gives them headaches which causes them not to play it (that's not cool) . I personally have no issues with the game, I play on a ps4 pro on a cheap 4k vizio TV (doesn't have HDR) and I have had no issues with the visual aspect, no head aches, or anything. But people just complaining that its not true HDR or 4K is a bit nitpicking in my opinion.
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