My Only Complaint ... (Spoiler, sort of ...)

[Melting Snowflakes]

My only complaint with the game, after moving into Chapter 3, is all the Leftist/SJW story lines.  I mean between rescuing or taking up the causes of every minority group on the map, punishing racists, caring about everyone ... unless they are white rednecks, or white southerners, or white rich people .. and ... helping the women's suffrage movement ?  REALLY ?  I mean who the hell wrote this story line, the Southern Poverty Law center ?

 

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I'm not saying Arthur would be in favor of BUYING a slave so he wouldn't have to tote all that hay and sacks around camp, but I also don't believe a cowboy, thief, and general badass like Morgan would go around giving a &^%$ about half of the people in the story lines presented.  I think it was the women's suffrage stuff that pushed it over the line for me, up until that point I was able to just put it down to R* needing to write a game that wouldn't cause so much outrage that mother's wouldn't let their sons play it.  The women's suffrage stuff, I mean ... Arthur speaking to the suffragettes, it was less like hearing a badass who had killed a bunch of people, and more like some &^%$ing cuck white knighting for female attention, the anti-badass.  What's next .. is he going to start holding women's purses while they shop ?  Stay at home washing dishes while they go out and hunt ?

The story line is starting to run like some Millennial / SJW / Antifa wet dream.

Edited November 3, 2018 by Melting Snowflakes

[Benjo]

Although I'm not bothered by it I can't argue with your observations.

[BoomBazookaJD]

To be fair, this is 1899 and the end of an era. Arthur has shown the option for a soft side by Chapter 3.

Repeated dialogue shows he has reservations about the current outlaw/gunslinger life. Your interactions with Mary Linton are yours but they allow Arthur to be more compassionate. Nothing about his thus far paints him as a heartless cold-blooded killer. In fact, I find Arthur to be torn, though pragmatic about his situation. Especially following the Mary Linton mission. Heck, the gang has Charles and Lenny, so clearly they are a bit more progressive. In fact, racism in the West was not like it was in the East (both in the North and South). 

 I have come across the eugenics guy in St. Denis, that was actually creepy as hell. However, I haven't yet come across missions that make me feel like that a SJW wrote the script. 

Ultimately, this is the end of an era, and it feels like it. The gunslinger is being run out or rounded up, society is spreading. I wound up in St. Denis for a short time thanks to a mission and I felt so out of place, and extremely uncomfortable. I left as soon as I could. 

Historically speaking, woman suffrage and even the prohibition movement gained steam during this period of American history. 

 

 

[Poggy]

It obviously has tokenistic diversity NPCs and political agenda-heavy stories and things.  You're right.  It's a shame.

 I've kinda gotten used to this sort of stuff in media these days and mostly just block it out and try to enjoy the characters and missions regardless of the SJW spectre in the background.  If I got annoyed at every PC storyline a tick box character in modern media, I'd either have to give up all cinema, music, TV and games or explode

One day I think the whole SJ fad will go away.  Until then, I just try to have fun regardless.

[Melting Snowflakes]

3 hours ago, BoomBazookaJD said:

To be fair, this is 1899 and the end of an era. Arthur has shown the option for a soft side by Chapter 3.

Repeated dialogue shows he has reservations about the current outlaw/gunslinger life. Your interactions with Mary Linton are yours but they allow Arthur to be more compassionate. Nothing about his thus far paints him as a heartless cold-blooded killer. In fact, I find Arthur to be torn, though pragmatic about his situation. Especially following the Mary Linton mission. Heck, the gang has Charles and Lenny, so clearly they are a bit more progressive. In fact, racism in the West was not like it was in the East (both in the North and South). 

 I have come across the eugenics guy in St. Denis, that was actually creepy as hell. However, I haven't yet come across missions that make me feel like that a SJW wrote the script. 

Ultimately, this is the end of an era, and it feels like it. The gunslinger is being run out or rounded up, society is spreading. I wound up in St. Denis for a short time thanks to a mission and I felt so out of place, and extremely uncomfortable. I left as soon as I could. 

Historically speaking, woman suffrage and even the prohibition movement gained steam during this period of American history.

No.

I won't belabor the point (okay I probably will belabor it a little bit), but you are obviously a young person if you believe what you wrote.  You are taking a very postmodern point-of-view and overlaying that on actual history to arrive at a kind of caring, compassionate anti-hero who has a soft spot for modern day leftist ideology.  I doubt you would be able to see that because you've probably grown up in it, but people didn't always think the way you think, or hold the beliefs you probably consider foundational.

I'll give you an example - the entire idea you wrote that people are introspective, searching, and "torn", is a VERY modern concept, it arises out of the human potentiality movement in the mid 20th century culminating in the "self-help" and new age movements of the hippies into the 1980's.  In politics that took off in the form of the Reagan and later Clinton (and Thatcher) revolutions to make a government that catered to the happiness of it's citizens as individuals.  NONE of that has ANYTHING to do with the reality of the early 20th century.  The idea of a "progressive" didn't even mean the same thing then as it means now - back then it was a movement to apply science to government and civic institutions to make them more efficient so they could serve their purpose better, it had almost nothing to do with the modern idea of "progressive" thought, about equality of outcomes, oppression, identity politics, etc, all of which is warmed over Marxism that didn't enter the U.S. public's consciousness until later.

Even very basic things like the whole idea of making Arthur's outfit "unique" is a modern idea, up until advertising became a thing post World War 1, everyone basically dressed the same - same hats, same shoes, same clothes, they ate basically the same foods, cooked in the same ways, it was a very pragmatic, simple existence, and it was only the very rich that had any concept of "self-expression".  Today's individual simply didn't exist, not in the sense of feeling you have to "create a unique identity".

The idea that Arthur Morgan, a killer, and thief, would wander off to the beach to sit and stare out over the horizon in an attempt to resolve his inner conflicts about the way women and slaves are treated is such a &^%$ing modern millennial / leftist way of looking at the world it makes us older people cringe.  This kind of thinking didn't even become a cultural archtype until about 40 years ago when you started getting movies like "fern gully" (later to become the story line for "Avatar"), and just before that at the end of the 1960's when hippies started wandering out into the wilderness to "find themselves".  Ultimately the entire story line of Arthur and the rest of the gang trying to find "freedom" out in the West away from modern civilization so that they can live the lives they want as individuals is a totally modern concept, born of movies like "easy rider" in 1969, all a product of the hippie era.

I hope, as Poggy said, that eventually this nonsense passes.  There are glimmers of hope, but not much of it.

Edited November 3, 2018 by Melting Snowflakes