Mazier_Drave

Ron America became the behemoth it is today because substantively of the two world wars.... Wars which it stepped into at the most opportune moment for itself and it's currency. Whilst I see nothing wrong with that per se, that is the reality... It worked the wars to build the replacement for the tangible European empires it denounced at Versailles in 1919 and created a hegemonic fiscal power base, an intangible empire if you will.... That has not lasted.... Because capitalism turns and the USA along with the UK are now majorly 5th world countries, post industrial and wandering a wasteland of economic misery ..... Both were built on vast export power and control of other countries trade... But that has all withered and now they are left with the patriotic sentiment of power, but not the actual export/fiscal power. It is difficult to explain this highly complex subject, simply ..... For an economy to grow in a capitalist model, one must have immigration of poor people ... They in fact do not take jobs, they create work by their presence... They are willing to work longer and harder for less money than 'a local' because in their view, the money has more value. This creates new work....... It is somewhat strange that America, entirely built on immigration now wants a wall... well, the lower classes and less educated of course. There are many parallels to be drawn between the conditions both social and political of the US and the UK presently with European conditions of the 1920's ... The masses are swallowing the exact same propaganda for the self same reasons..... Economic demise, poverty and mostly fear of the unknown. Whilst businessmen say "Leave me alone so I may prosper' .... The working class/blue collar say "I must be given work" ... When there is no work to be had they look for someone or something to blame ... Immigrants are a very simple target but not the issue in any manner. But people like Trump and the Brexit mob, they pounce on this ignorance and they preach FEAR - GREED - HATE, just like the Fascists or National Socialists or Ultra Nationalists or indeed, Communists .... "Your life is awful because of those people... they are taking what is yours and laughing at you...." Then the masses work out the hate part on their own ... Now the clever part, because they fill in the hate, all of a sudden they think it was all their idea ... as Dr P Joseph Goebbels correctly identified "Propaganda works best when those who are being manipulated are confident they are acting on their own free will" Jobs did not leave the USA or UK because of cheap wages per se, they left because the wages of the masses in those countries were dropping in real terms...... In the UK for example, ordinary workers have not seen a rise in their real income since the early 1970's and I suspect the US is the same...... So to sell them goods, one has to make them cheaper... so one sends the work elsewhere ... Today in China they send much work to Myanmar, because China has become too expensive for many products to be made there for it's local economy. The capitalist wheel never stops turning. However it gets worse, much worse very soon ....... The real issue and the change from 20th century Europe is Ai and AGi ...... Ai, Artificial Intelligence and the more problematic, AGi .....Artificial General Intelligence. Ai means we program a robotic machine to do something and it follows those instructions to the letter ... Nothing more or less... If you tell it to paint the car pink, it paints the car pink until told to stop. Or pours coffee or flips burgers ........ Whilst AGI means a computer brain which says ... I think, therefore I am and it learns exponentionally by it;s own powers as a human child does.... but at billions of times the speed In tests so far the issues start when these AGi units talk to another, the fact there is another 'brain' tells them they are in existence, they have something to make comparison with. .... So quite soon while you might tell it paint cars pink, it might decide it prefers blue, or you have too many pink cars. The real upshot is this ... The turn of capitalism has created the loss of millions of manufacturing jobs in the USA & UK ... for them to be replaced by poorly paid service industry work .... But within 30 years there will be no service industry work either, because AGi and Ai will be doing it. Then one has to start to talk about a Universal Basic Income model, as is already happening in the halls of power ... Somehow people, the masses, they have to be sustained when there is simply no work for them...... We are returning to Rome and 'Bread and Circus', or maybe 'Rollerball' ...... But certainly free food and free entertainment. The fundamental issue with that, as my wife a Dr of Psychology will tell you, is the complete loss of hope. Who really buys lottery tickets? Plays bingo and other non-skilled gambling? Poorer people.... Whilst it is often millions and millions to one that they will win.... they still expend a relatively high % of their income on hope. That is what they are buying, hope. So when you have no job, no possibility of a job, when your life choices are very limited and almost totally dictated ... where is the hope? Just as these same people say 'I must be given work', then 'I must be given food and entertainment' they will soon say 'I must be given hope' It is a conundrum yet to be answered ... But the wall? That's just a smoke screen to stop the masses thinking.

Myself I no longer play on-line and will not do so..... Griefed and left ....... In fact by the time R* get around to putting in solo lobbies life will have moved on, if they ever bother. So unless those lobbies arrive real fast, I'll never play on-line. Of course i should be ready and willing to spend €100's and I would... in a private lobby. Because the way I see griefing/trolling or whatever you wish to call it is this: My wife and I go to the theatre to see some opera ... When we arrive the door man is showing people into queue for tickets; there are two lines As we are about to enter and join a queue I say to the doorman ... Me: Good evening..... Both lines the same? DM : No Sir, different. Me : Really? Different how? DM : On the left (he gestures) you pay to go in and get a good seat, with a good view. It's €80 each... Fantastic show. Me : OK.... and on the right? DM : On the right (Gesturing the other side) you pay and get a good seat, with a good view and some little arseholes sat behind you. They'll be talking, texting on their phones, kicking your seat back, throwing popcorn at you and so forth ...... through out the show Me : What? You're joking? ........... Is that really cheap then? DM : No the same price, €80 .... just comes with a these complete arseholes, ensuring the show is totally ****ed up for you... because even when they stop for a bit ... you are just waiting for it to start again! Me : So let me get this straight..... One pays the exact same money for someone to ruin the show for you? But there are people cueing for that? What is up with them? That makes no sense.... Do they know? DM : Yes they know, they are all warned ......... Honestly I've no idea why they do it, though it is strangely popular ...... Maybe they are some sort of arsehole as well ...... who knows. Quite why anyone spends money to be interfered with by idiots, I truly have no idea ... Each to their own, people must do what they like ... But you won't catch me in the right hand queue, that's for damned certain.

Just this second some pathetic little moron lassoo's me, drags me to death ... Me? Oh I am looking at the scenery. Back him comes again... So I shoot him because what option is there So back he comes again, lassoo's me ... So I just ****ing left. **** it, had enough of this utter garbage... **** on line, **** R*, **** the moronic pond life ..... Either they fix it or **** the whole thing. Waste of my ****ing time.

Personally I do not hate anyone, anywhere, as it requires an effort which I never make .... The question is for me ...... 'Dangerous' or 'Benign' to me Micah is obviously dangerous from minute one, so he would go. Dutch seems confused, confused is dangerous ... he would go. Personally I would do this at the same time as Micah, to create a power vacuum which I would attempt to fill with my own candidate. Probably Susan Grimshaw. As for the man in the shop.... [Gallic Shrug] ... Not my problem, he's benign to me, so no view.

It is interesting, if you read the 1* ratings on Amazon they basically all translate as "This game is not COD!" ...... A point many seem to be missing. Personally I am as usual much playing Forza 7 and Horizon 4.... far more enjoyable. If they had expanded the story I would have happily paid for new missions... but not how it is now with the O/L experience

"Waiting to be hand held" You really have no idea who I am my friend and I am not about to elucidate on the subject ... But be assured I am not waiting to have my hand held and I know perfectly well how to survive... It seems you have missed my point..... But never mind, you continue to flex your posing pouch..... but not near me, thanks all the same.

"Stille Nacht, heilige Nacht" is of course the original, though Silent Night has been translated from the original Austrian/German into English, French and many other languages ... That much I knew already. What I didn't know was that in 2011 the carol/song was deemed to be by UNESCO an 'Intangible Cultural Heritage' and the 3rd greatest single sold of all time is Bing Crosby's version Though I believe in the UK this is as close as they get to Bing these days .... Bingo There's cultural.......

Last night on YouTube I saw a comment from a guy sick of being attacked by griefers ..... the first reply was "Awwww, who hurt you? It's just a game!!!!!' Now that is a griefer comment. There is it appears a certain level of deeply confused machismo attached to griefing, it is little boys wishing to be men . This why all the cat calling straight from the play ground... they think they are genuinely tough. They think this is how men act.... grown men do not act like that boys It reminds me something an acquaintance told me, he was an instructor for the new entry British Army Para Troopers "They haven't been let out for 3 months , they have just got their wings and are let out...... So they go down the local town and the local boys beat the crap out of them... These young para's mistake being fit the for the first time in their life, with being tough" Just because you have a digital gun in your hand does not mean you should inflict your presence onto someone else ... other people are NOT there to entertain you, infant. So be good little boys and keep to yourself or only attack people like yourself... you know, idiots

The second day I had this 'You have been targetted for assassination" .... Oh really..... click... leave. Absolutely ridiculous ...... Enticing players to kill others in game, players who are not taking part in the bulls*** ...... is beyond pathetic

As well all know seemingly many people are at least unhappy with RDR2 O/L..... Including myself with regard to griefers. But then as I was picking my way through said griefers I had a bit of an epiphany, maybe? Let us imagine we have touched down in Nirvana with RDR2 O/L ... Somehow R* has pleased everyone, all the time...... Then what? Really... then what? Speaking only for myself I will still not like people, I will not be in a posse, I will not be 'matched' .... Indeed even at best the most I can hope for is the Story experience..... Where I have a nice house, all the guns, all the kit, all the clothes and I can gamble, fish, rob, catch wild horses and so forth. But still on-line, no matter how 'perfect' it is I will still have to spend real time money...... R* Nirvana definitely does not include no transactions So either I spend or die in real life... I can see my wife finding me one morning chained to the XBone...... Passed away trying to complete some stupid challenge for just one more 0.03 of a gold bar.... Indeed, politico's will soon ask questions..... Rather than most people who die in their house in west, dying on their toilet; it will soon be in front of RDR2 O/L Honestly, I am at a total loss as to what it is I am supposed to be waiting for? Or will there be perchance a "Jules Verne Time Machine Challenge" where one is spiralled forward in time..... into.... The time of GTA V !!! Look LQQK.... You can now buy a proper car and a beach house AND ....................................! It's a time that R* have certainly not forgotten.

Well, I am not saying anything because I don't know.... One would like to imagine that is the case, but we don't know .... However I do suspect the more people speculate, the more they get aerated about the not knowing. As for YouTube, yes I hear you... But the long and short of it is, there are definitely hysterical people on so many occasions ranting about a game, not only this one. If people think RDR2 On-Line is copping grief, then go have a look at Fallout 76 ...... If people cared as much about world hunger as they do video games, I suspect there would be few hunger problems left.

It poses an interesting question I think - why does R* not do something with regard to this griefing issue altogether? There's little point in people becoming hysterical as many are on YouTube. Rather, calmly and coolly one has to ask .... Why? For example..... Is it historically proven that 'game griefers' spend more money on transactions than non-griefing players? Or some other reasons which I cannot be bothered to think of. Also one has to say, this forum has a few active members with a membership total of c.1872. ...... Meanwhile YouTube content makers, attract thousands of views ... But the first weekend alone, 17 million copies were sold.... 17 million....... This means we are all in a tiny, tiny minority of players.

Maybe as we gain age and even a little wisdom, these moments of impasse come to us more often. Ultimately RDR2 is just a game, the On-Line is imo 5% as well done as the story...... But when you look at the comments from so many on YouTube and so forth, one would imagine it was a cure for cancer, a formula which R* had burnt. Personally I look at the On-Line and wonder what I am supposed to gain from it? Presently the Story is a far better experience than the O/L ..... IMO Myself I play Xbox a great deal because of my own circumstances re health .... However I keep a perspective, it is a game, not a way to gain world peace ...... If someone gains a 100% completion then truly, well done indeed ...... But starvation will not be cured, conflicts will not cease. R* for whatever the reasons, seem to have created a bad situation..... snatching defeat from the jaws of victory

What? In all honesty I really do wonder..... For what possible reason could it matter? If you like RDR2 and the cousins like whatever ... there you go.... And? Myself I drive a certain type of car, well, cars ..... Occasionally at shows I come across other people with different cars... Just as they love their cars, their Marque, their choice ... I love mine ....Although there maybe some very mild leg pulling, no one cares. If I were you I would learn a life lesson here ... Care ONLY about what you think.

Neither .... Forza

What were you typing on? An iPig? One has to suspect your request or requirement is a very long way down the list, if at all. This game is blatantly not GTA V....... Myself I have yet to see anyone who wishes it to be..... We here all want less griefers, not more.

The internet forum, regardless of content matter, raises a quite unique problem for every single user. Because, no matter where one finds oneself on life's great food chain, you are having to deal with people you would never interact with personally in real life ... Subsequently one is faced by ideas, outlooks and beliefs which are wholly alien to you. Sometimes people do not have the coping mechanisms or social tools required to navigate a significantly mixed socio-demographic group, such as this forum presents. To bastardise the old cliche... Maybe people write your post twice, then post it once ..... When the steam has left your ears.

RDR2 On line, I have lost two lake spinners.... The first time where the fish was obviously vast and although I was gentle imo... it still broke the line. The second occasion when some delightful NPC in a canoe, run through my line when I had a large fish on ..... He got a very sudden case of terminal lead poisoning for his trouble. Only today I was looking at that and wondering... I shall give it a go. Thank you

Dear me, how much more vague can R* get? Myself I am an avid modern historian; political and economic...... Now I have not seen in any book that in 1938 when the Munich Agreement was rendered, that Hitler voiced any intention to invade Poland (Well, half of Poland of course, Russia invaded the rest in 1939 about three weeks after Germany on the basis of the late August 1939 Molotov-Ribbentrop peace pact ... But the west forgets that irritating fact. Indeed Hitler famously promised the Czech Sudetenland, was it, no more. When someone says "We do not have any plans" It can mean we certainly intend to reset the whole shebang, or attack the country....... but presently there are no detailed plans ...... It is rather an inference, which people are meant to jump on because people only hear what they like to hear. They like to justify what others say to make themselves feel safe. The most that quote of R* covers is .... well really nothing actually, it says nothing.... except that R* definitely plans to make all sorts of changes (if you read the full piece) So I really wouldn't be breathing too easy; grinders.

The #1 key issue .... when one spends money, you should have fun.... If not then you do not spend. The issue really is, who spends the most money? ... If it is Griefers? Then they'll stay whilst I and some others leave ..... and vice versa. Whilst I understand business , I am not from a gaming background so do not intuitively know all the likely figures.

Having come on the forum to start a thread myself, I'll answer this instead. My post was going to be about factual reality... which the 99% do not seemingly understand... No offence intended, just reality. The economy, griefers, transactions, grinding and all the rest are being dealt with by perception and 'truth' .... No one likes Truth, it is a pointless thing. It does not exist..... This is most easily addressed by looking at the old saying 'My freedom fighter is your terrorist' ..... That is both sides of the same reality. It is indeed truth to people but not factual reality. Therefore this game, just like any other AAA game is not about truth, it is about business ... It is about profits. Hands up all those who have watched Fight Club? A deeply intelligent and thought provoking film ....... Edward Norton's character at one point he explains his job as an insurance company assessor....... In paraphrase he looks at fatal accidents and then works out if it is cheaper for the manufacturer/insurer to fix the issues with a recall ... Or it is cheaper to pay the claims........ This in reality is how important you all are, plus myself and everyone else... Individual are of no importance, it is how they act which matters and gives value. No matter what one believes to be wrong with RDR2 0/L .... After 17 million copies sold first weekend alone and Xmas coming .... what does it really matter what even 1 million or 2 million think? There are people on YouTube making videos, getting a few hundred replies... so what? If one watches the end credits of the RDR2 Story, they include the RDR2 On-Line people as well ... Those credits run around 40 minutes ....... 40 minutes...... Signalling the many, many thousands of people all across the globe being paid. So when this guy for pure example, The Young Gamer, says on YouTube in response to a gold bar shopping video: "So to Clarify....Rock Star doesn’t want us earning in-game money, or ranking up, or farming , or exploiting (not cheating) using their own physics, fishing, or hunting to earn or in any way avoid their impending (now live) MTX that is Online.. but griefing is fine.. so is nerfing the price of fish for finding a good spot to farm it.. it’s also okay for Rock Star to say yeah we increased mission payouts after the back lash and only to revert it back to the way it was in the 1.05 update and for them later to lower the mission payouts across everything back down to a crawl without disclosing it in the patch notes which is the name thing Bethesda did with Fallout 76 by the way.." He believes himself to be morally correct... but seems unaware that morals do not exist, they are fluid outlooks ... Indeed, they are just made up constructs from organised religions, now seen as 'social morals' in the west and any other country invaded by a western empire country. This is the corporate mind of R*... They, after initial purchase, they care about the below average players by time ... Time is the factor What is required by R* and every other game company is time poor, cash rich people. Because they spend money and plenty of it..... These people buy their copy mostly off of Xbox Gold, or the PS4 equivalent or basically Amazon ....... It is really on these forums and YouTube that impotent people get all excited... Who cares if the grinder plays or not? Certainly not R*...... R* has their $50 and no prospect of more... so go away grander you're just taking up lobby space Myself as I am, I play a great deal of XBox but very few games ..... Forza, 7 & H 4... occasional rally game, a farming sim and now RDR2. Not interested in on-line because I dislike people. This evening I hit, wow, level 15, (cue canned rippling applause) having played the BETA (LOL! BETA)) from day one, a bit..... Griefers? I just close out and walk away for a few hours...... One has to believe that R* have their figures ... They know how much griefers are likely to spend.... If it is a high positive, they stay.... If not, they'll go. It is estimated that up to 2.6 BILLION people are playing some form of internet/video game... That's like around 40+% of the world's population. Games are about money.... Only about money ...... These games are a fast growing business sector across the globe and will be so over the next 100 years minimum.... Because of Ai/AGi, which will take all the work that NMW people presently do for NMW ... So you have to do something with them. Something meaning that they can eat, live and be kept quiet .... It is estimated already that up to 2.6 BILLION people are playing some form of internet/video game... like around 45% of the world's population. Eating etc is fairly easy to provide with an economic model named 'Universal Basic Income' .... That is most likely not what you think it is; go look it up on YouTube..... But giving the masses any sort of hope or fulfilment ....... No one has yet come up with a good idea, but I suspect gaming will be a part of it, small or large. Pretty please people... stop thinking you matter, none of us do,..... Not you, not me, nobody... Not even the President of the United States ... The post itself matters, but the incumbent? Apart from the whole 'On principal' thing...... No, not so much

You actually get close enough to another player to see detail on their hat? Good lord..... I'm already running fast in the opposite direction. Tonight I am quite happy fishing on Flathead lake when some pink dot arrives in a canoe, like 3 mtr away ...... I get my fishing rod put away, whip out my 'Pump action' shot gun and stick it in his face. Then back away asap. Maybe he was friendly, maybe he was trying to force the fishing spot, maybe he wanted to take a moody walk on the beach and shoot 'Broke Back Beach" ... but who cares? Myself I will not on principal kill other humans unless they attack me.... however, neither do I want any cosy chats.

To quell any confusion this is not a post about RDR2 On-line or Story, though both are very briefly mentioned .... It is about Take Two interactive and it's gleaned relationship with R* Take Two interactive is quite a phenomenon presently in the price it's shares have been acquiring, though it lost 14.9% of it's value last month (October 2018) ... It's end fiscal year projection 2019 is that shares will pay a hugely increased dividend , indeed a market hack writes of Take Two Interactive share price "Analysts currently expect the company to grow adjusted earnings per share by 49% year over year, to $4.99 for fiscal 2019" .... Personally as someone who has been much in the money market business all my adult life, it seems somewhat fortuitous that the share priced dropped alarmingly just before a new RDR came live... At which point Take Two Interactive bought back $308 million of their own share stock in that same period.... Very fortunate one would have to say........ Considering Zelnick has also just been made Chairman of CBS Corp along with his Take Two day job ..... It seems his Feng Shui practitioner is the one to have in your office. If you're further interested in all the labyrinthine machinations of Take Two Interactive then please, feel free to look at the internet ..... I'm not a tour guide. Ultimately R* is a subsidiary of Take Two Interactive , ultimately then Dan Houser of R* has a boss, as he has had all the way through from being the part time CD ROM tester for BMG Interactive to being the man at R* ..... Having a boss is much different to pleasing share holders, whilst one might wish to hit figure $X, there are many ways to achieve that... However if you have a boss... Ultimately it is his or her way or the highway. When one looks at RDR2 with it's beautifully honed story after years of work, then an on-line seemingly worked out on the back of a cigarette packet down the bar one lunchtime, one has to really wonder if this is Dan Houser living up to his 2011 statement that [paraphrase] "We do not follow the herd, we make games we want to play ourselves at R*"... ? ... Surely one has to wonder if RDR2 O/L is really the game which he wanted to play? The gamers main view is that for many reasons the on-line game is broken, #1 problem, the economy..... So R* update and make the economy better ... then the latest 1.05 patch, makes it worse again.... Errrm? It's almost like someone has said "No, no; we want those micro sales!" In the early 2000's I was well acquainted with a person who was a major manager in a world wide entertainment business..... This organisation set it's prices in a fairly usual way ... You start off cheap.... then you increase, increase, increase, increase the prices, until the revenue starts to fall.... Then you stabilise the prices and watch.... Then if sales are stagnant or falling, only then do you, with much fanfare, ever so slightly lower prices... then watch. One continues this process until you find the place of ultimate consumers spend for your product .... This company started at having it's customers open their wallets every 12 minutes whilst on site... brought it down slowly to 5 minutes...then settled for 7 minutes.... Still some 3 minutes better than they had projected at the outset. Now all this in my twisted little mind starts to look like situations I have seen before ..... Maybe the talent has had enough... Whilst they have all the money they could possibly want, all the fame, what they do not have is a clear space without someone saying ... "Yes I see your point but do this first, then we'll see" ... As if the talent is a child. The further up one goes the ladder the less pragmatism at the coal face matters, it is all down to the income generated ... This is a flawed outlook in artistic endeavours, IMO. It always kills the golden goose. So maybe when the boss man says ... "Do this! " Instead of arguing the point the talent says "Sure... no problem" Knowing the result will be bad, very bad. So that maybe the talent can then acquire the company or far more likely, start their own... Being seen as a white knight by the punters.... "I was made to do it!! But now I am the man and it will never happen here at SuperGoodBoy Enterprises!!" If you think this craziness and school yard garbage does not go on between very rich people... think again. A salutary lesson was given to those in business by Mercedes Benz in the late 1990's, a marque with a reputation for solidity and quality built then over around 100 years. They were at the top of their game in the 60's to early 90's ... If one ever saw 240d Mercedes taxi's in the middle east in that period, then you know they were indestructible cars! However by the late 1990's a new Mercedes Benz board decided they need more profits ... So more sales? No, the sector was saturated and they could not raise the price either...... Less staff to lower wages? No .... What then? They decided, genuinely, to make their same cars but using inferior parts and metals..... Then still sell them for the same price.... seemingly thinking that "The punters will never notice!" Oh but they did .... Subsequently Mercedes lost the one thing which you truly cannot buy... customer trust... and with it huge amounts of market share. Mercedes has never been properly trusted again by many and I put myself in that as an ex-Mercedes 'never to return' driver. Personally I think something big or indeed seismic is happening behind the scenes at R*/Take Two Interactive .... Time will tell.

Xmas is a very quiet affair for us .... Just my wife and I, plus our little dog. Both of our now fully adult children have their own lives and things to do, thank God ... Neither have any children and we strongly suspect, they never will We're none of us 'family' people. Both my wife and I stopped conversing with our irritating families years ago and we do not do friends either. My wife works much from home . As such she has already marked out the Xmas period to construct a presentation for a conference she is presenting at in January 2019. It's the only time she has ... We're not religious.... We're both vegan, vegetarian when we have to be, so no animal will be slaughtered for us to eat. Neither do we drink alcohol, take drugs or 420.... We buy each other a little something silly because there is nothing we need ... similar for the children. They tell us what they want and we buy it. Indeed the major Xmas present we shall give will be as usual, a substantial donation to the dog charity which we support all year long. Felicitations of the season to all, whatever it is you do.

Nooooo... LOL, you can't do that!!! I'm a bad boy and got told off for that.... Apparently one mustn't name the pond life on here. Nawty (sic) bad man that I am, apparently. Firstly my apologies if people find this all a bit wordy.... However requiring immediate gratification is the sign of someone being one of life's losers.... So maybe read things and think instead.... Like books and stuff Here's what I do not understand about this whole RDR2 On-line PvP and the Free Roam killa (sic) fools and all the rest. There is a rally driving game that is truly garbage.... It possesses good graphics, good representation of cars, good audio, good physics and indeed it should be really quite brilliant... But it is not, it is totally flawed because; A) It is all way too difficult... So only a few people who spend their lives on these rally games can get anywhere B) No rewind ......... Personally after a 10+ minute stage if I fall off the track 100 yards from the end... I cannot be bothered to start all that again C) My game driving is good enough, I'm not a minor deity but I am in the top 1% on many tracks ... Yet in one section of this game, I cannot win against Ai... indeed I come 4th out of 4 all the time at the lowest entry point. After just a few months this €50 game was remaindered for €15 ... I soon saw why...... If one checked around you could find that world wide literally there were just a few hundred players left on the online tests. Less than a year after release. Why? Because you could not play the damned GAME as you wanted to...... Complaints to the company were met with ".....the integrity of the game" LOL.... Idiotic little jerks NEXT... Then take the 2 major XBone driving games ... Millions sold, millions continue to play them until essentially the new games arrives, including buying DLC ... Yes I play them and have spent many €100's on them over the past decade ..... Why? Because they are games which not only do fantastic graphics, physics and everything else .... But I can choose every parameter. On-line? Not interested myself but I can enter Ghosting lobbies if i wished where there is no PvP contact allowed... You can play combative PvP if you wish but then guess what, it is those combative lobbies which are always basically empty .... But I can play the same game solo, I can choose any one of my 700+ cars, I can choose my driving style be it auto, manual, manual with clutch... ABS on and off or super easy... type of tyres, engine and on and on ... plus colours and graphics..... Then I can set the track action... Aggressive or non aggressive Ai drivers and their ability level from Unbeatable all the way down to New Racer ... Then I can choose day, night, dry and maybe 50 different ways to make it rain.... The game can be set from no driving help to full help where a 3 year old can just push the go switch. Personally I have thousands and thousands of hours on these driving games and still play them every day. Far, far more than RDR2 On-Line NOW with that all said ....... Here is what I simply do not understand with RDR2 On-Line ... What does it matter to gamer tag 'Bread_Filla', (Note... this might or might not rhyme perfectly with the name of a pathetic little canker... BTW canker is a word.... it is not missing a W...)........ how I play? If these heroes (sic) wish to act like that and kill every thing that walks, slithers, flies or rides a horse..... Then please go play with other people who act like that... Because I do not act like that nor have I any wish to share a map with anyone who does. Myself I am presently just below level 15 on-line, because I cannot be bothered to watch the map with one eye all the time to see when the next inbred gaming tool will arrive. But what I REALLY do not understand is why R* etc, wish to lose all that money which I will not spend on their micro-transactions... Because I will NOT be a split second entertainment for some brainless little social misfit, who has got way too sore down below to watch any more XHamster for the next 30 minutes. Whilst I require zero back up from anyone on here or in life... I am certainly not alone in being fed up with this situation, quite obviously. Today I tried RDR2 on-line for about 30 minutes... Did I die? No. Did I have any fun?..... No. Did I get shot at for NO REASON AT ALL? Yes, three times..... 3 TIMES! Indeed I spent 30 minutes watching the flaming map for those little pink idiots. If R* or whomever, change the game so it has a mode which allows one to NOT interact in free roam plus enables people to complete on line challenges, tasks etc etc etc solo ....then it might do OK. But if it doesn't get changed very soon indeed ...... Then one has to suspect that after not too long, like a certain rally game... it'll die just as it deserves to.