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Actually 1 hour PVP in Freeroam is verry effektive in grinding XP´s as you get a lot per shot if you use all the bonuses awarded for the different killing styles. Thats actually all you get, as there are no Dollars or Gold bonuses. If you find a Player enjoying PVP (yes there are many even lots here seem not to belive so) this can be a good boost and I think thats much more honor full then puting a tape on the controler to make the player move and enter a modus for the entire night, (think thats stopped by R+ alreaddy). Please stopp announcing you are hunted by any players. This game was reduced to passive modes and parley function so actualy a hunt is not possible if you are using this Options properly.

Thats so true. In Special if you get a distanced head shot and the guy then diaspears to the next possible Mission Point to hide and get labled blue immediatly. Partly fast travle Posts are used to escape into the endless grey of the far map or you get shot, just to witness the guy leaving the map immediatly after he killed you. That is the true annoyment. As Long as shooters stay fair, all good for my Point of view.

Just to get this cleared: all I said is it works like a cheat not that it is a cheat (a big difference). A cheat allows you to short cut and avoid the need to do the necessary like Jumping through a Level form a to b. Taking the cheat allows you to finish the Level and go directly to the next one. You use the cheat once on a tricky and verry dificult bit in the Level. What happens now is you start the next Level but when you get to the next tricky part which is much easier then the one you choosen to take the cheat first you think, wait, I use the cheat again so I avoid the need to learn this jump. Given this you continue to use it more often and have finished the game after 30 minutes. You will not go back to the first Level to see it all again and to try it without the cheat as you now know the trick for the easy way and therfore loose the will to try harder (which is human nature). So thats exactly what can happen to you if you start with passiv mode. You will intend to just use it for the beginning until you can play solid. But as soon as something happens and you get shot the first time while playing offensive you will think, well maybe I try later again and move back to passiv. So you might end up at Level 100 just played passiv (as said thats human). Thats why it works similar to a cheat. It easys up the challenge and takes away the challenge and that is a double sided coin, thats all I tried to express with that Cheat example. By the way Money glitches have the same effect for you. The goods loose their attraction and worth as you just can easy glitch them or the Money to get them. So do yourself a favour and stay away from that as you ruin the game for yourself as it takes your challenge off. Thats just my opinion and I have no issue with anyone prefering passiv (seems like I have to express that again)

Thanks and could´nt agree more to the everyone just Spills out his Point of view. Thats good as it builds any discussion. I am wondered form day 1 when they announced the Bounty System that they did´nt include Players for the hunt as a Mission (simmilar to assasination) and did not use the oppertunity to educate the others. Means, if I have the Ingame killerattitude I am raised in the Bounty I am worth some and later more Dollars. Now others could see my Bounty at the Sherrifs Office for example and accept a Mission to kill that Player and get each the Bounty he has on his poll from the game not that Player. He could be fined with Honor loss or so. That would give the good and the bad a role and allow the Farmers and hunters to expect the good to defend them against the Killers. So it would build Content and it would also guide Players to a direction which means more or less PVP for them not the game in total.

Correct I argued that taking the PVP off completly from the FR will take some of the games Content so I tried to Show the advantage and it wasnt me (again) who sticked doings to a Kind of attitude or so. so I am a bit wondered you blame this to me. Hence me not being a native english Speaker. So never ment to offend anyone and actually named my concerns about that some Posts before, I just wanted to Show a different point of view on the matter of PVP/PVE in FR. think thats what such Folders are for. Thats all.

Thanks @Kean_1 I apprchiate this as there is no need to categorise one or the other just to get arguments looking more robust which never is the case. Just to add to the Topic, this game is a glance and currently a verry good PVP/PVE mix but I fear pressing it more and more to the PVE Corner will ruin the game on the Long term, Cause there are plenty pure PVE and plenty pure PVP games out there but this mix here is unique and yes I agree, we Players design it with our reactions as well and it would be sad taking away the major difference to other games in the market which is the PVE/PVP mix. So all I said is, do you´re passiv Play as Long as ever you want, I only wanted to say that you loose some part of the game ellements doing so and if you are happy to loose them as you feel you dont need them, go on, otherwise rething your setting.

Ist the old discussion but th egame changed completly so still blowing into the same horn dosent helöp at all! of Course, because you are even to proud to press the parley button once killed and instead enjoy to overstretch the matter meaningless, is that what you say? I never wrote about spawncamping as a D*ck as you call it, but instead spoke about a game element with a serious argumentation and all you can do is repeat the "Oh my got I get griefed cause I don´t parley and am not able to archieve anythign here" argument, even R* ensured you keep your corps and stuff and loose Nothing . We speak about 1 single kill you Risk! A endless gunfight is not the subject here its more about loosing Long term attraction to the game and so on. I hoped for more robust facts or a solid discussion here. So forgive me but your post is not adding much here.

After reading all of the above I have to say thats nice but finaly the Players will do what the Players will do and I still see lots of shoot Outs on the FR map and that is good. I also tell you that I rejoin every day with a low aggression Level (I Play offensive of Course) and that it does not matteer that I shot some blue Players the night before (I always wait for the first shot before I go on Revenge mode). I think ist fair that you guys now can grind forever in a passiv mode and just hunt and collect berrys but for a lot of Players out there also the PVP ellement is important and also to be able to do PVP on a big map and not in a pleashure dome like a Modus. In the same way you argue those can argue for their right to do so as well. I dont want to grind without any risk until I achieved Level 100 I want the tension on the FR map and I want to "feel" the win when I made it to the butcher and so on. So a lot of the games tension is lost if I do it all in defensive mode as ist not really a challenge at all. Would´nt that mean consequently to ask for getting all the grind till Level 100 as a starter so you would´nt Need to skin 100 deers and collect 1000 herbs instead? You see it´s a part of the game but well I understood that you guys here see this different. One last Thing on that Topic, the passiv mode is not so much different to the effect of a cheat. It short cuts the risk and therfore the game and the experience so it takes the challenge away and as humans are that way, you will, once activated, not deactivate it again as a human always chooses the easiest way but finally this is a game and that means a lot of it lives from the challenge it gives and that is not the brainless NPC fights ist the fights with real humans as well as the hunting and crafting elelements and short cuting this takes a big part of the fun and experience away.

Might be the annimals are currently taken off to answer this Fish Glitch approach untill under controll again? Just a guess but it Shows, using Glitches is a no go. The System seems to collapse on it (something seen also during the Puma glitch times) and using such ruins the game for yourself as well, as ist completly boring to achieve anything that way. The way is the objective in a game and if you use cheats or so, you short cut to much, so the attraction mostly is gone afterwards and you will not like the game any more as not being challenging at all then. No one would want to pay for a Cinema film , to see the last 10 minutes before the film Even started or?

There is some serious concerns as yesterday there had been several bugs and non performing Maps all seems to be related to a big amount burned horse Corps, still Living, spawning up in Valentine. Here is a pic from the short film I did on it. There were also the ghost carriages which seem to have been driven by invissible NPC´s. R* must be aware, so hopefully it´s gone soon and we possibly get some Dollars or Gold as comprehension?

Ok. fair enough.

I see it more as an try by me to present something in a nice and friendly way. Thats it. Its more Art für me. Possibly just take a look it will cost you only some minuts and you have the link anyway in my reference page here in this Forum. Its good for the Forum I am in here in my country but who knows? So for me you´re answer sounds perfect. Just wanted to know if I can add such a link if it is a matter of a Question in a text here or so. But as said , take a look. Thanks,

@Kean_1 Hi Kean_1 Think I got it. I have a you tube channel, I am not profiting from it. I use it to put my fils on. I have films like where I answer an assasination attempt instead of going to flee as boring for both sides and explain what I do, I have a carriage race we did from Rhodes to Tumbleweed (7 carriages) in a bigger community with someone trying to Sabotage it, filmed in a funny way and I have some films on the Modis and 2 about the Train usage and whats possible with the train and so on. Would that fit into your allowed material and shall I enter a link then at the subject relevant? Sorry, but I think ist better to ask first then to annoy anyone,

The Bleeb collor was rested to blue with the change as I understand it. The Honor not. I think I wrote it here alreaddy 2 days ago? So all are blue. Players shooting you turn imediatly blue after going to a shop or camp or after a Moment of time. If you shoot them then again you get a Bounty. That forms the anti griefing elelment. Before you become permanently red you will need to do a good amount of Kills and you are warned due to slowly growing up the Bleepcollorbar. If you cool down all good. To stay Passiv you´re not allowed any defense and need to flee but if you defend you shoot a red dot ist fine but you are put to offensive then. If he turned blue again alreaddy, you become imediatly the agressor. So watch out before you shoot even in self defense. By the way and to the Mod here. Can I add a Vid here soemwhere or a short cut to my vids? Have some about ingame situations or train usage I produced which might be a help for one or the other? If not all good but wanted to ask. Also you find them in my Profile here if you want to take a look first?

Did you realise alreaddy that you can pick up pics now and sell them at the butcher? I just sold a pic 1* for 80 Cent. Hey thats a gratis round Poker. So get the Ham or better the Fat.

Thanks thats a usefull and good comment I addded a like. Lets hope for the best. Current new Hobby of my opposite seems to be to shot me (first!) and after i killed them then 2 or 3 times back, to send a report message. Thats a verry strange kind of behavior or? I start to send one too now, to Show them how it feels if you did Nothing and still are blamed. I dont think they are read by someone or analysed I think they add to your redskill and therfore ist in special unfair to report without a Need. Would´nt an excessive reporting not lead automaticly to only red Players on the map in the end?

Thats not the Point. Point and Klick with a mouse is clearly faster then manovering the controler stick so the PC gamer has an advantage. Not so much in a game with a huge auto aim help like RDR but surly in others like Warthunder for example with no Auto aim at all. I think if it comes on PC, they will need, as surly defined with Sony and X-Box, to not allow Cross Play and then its not important but with cross Play this would be a different matter. You also can buy alreaddy today a switch for the PS that allows to add mouse and Keyboard to the controler. Not expensive but cant say if its supported by the game as never tried so far.

The CEO said 3 days ago or so, they leave the Beta in Spring. Its spring now and not to Long anymore. The massiv update came and with that Beta is done. You Play a finished game now. To thank you for testing you got the 100 $ yesterday.

Sorry @lumper your argumentation is not much different to someone saying I want the wild west being reaistic so let me shot players. There is no Realistic in this Game, because its a game. There had been no real Cards in Real Live allowing you to use a Slippery Bastard. There had been no return after some Seconds. When you got wet you possibly died on a Cold and hunger was harmfull and so on. Where to start then. I understand you´re text above, from your egoistic view seen, but the same way you expect the PVP Players to adopt your wish you deny theirs and argue a huger amount wants this. I read in orther Forums too also not only in english ones (guess my bad english) and I tell youm, there is a split Gamer society and there is no blac or white here ist grey. R* desings a completly new PVE/PVP mixture and will NOT Focus on PVE wishes only. As long as MMO is there the PVE / PVP Diskussion will never stopp but the MMO world in R* is greay and not B&W. Dont tell me you have the Modis there fore. The Modis are a way to catch in Frotnite Players and such to the product, same is valid for the Free Roam, where you will Always have Shooters in a WESTERN Game and I apprechiate that a lot. Its part of the atmosphere and the tension it produces and you, as a level 100+ might have forgotten this feeling but low Levels remember it and will possibly know its part of the game and makes the difference to an Game like Eledar Scrolls with pure PVE only. For my experience there is 3 conditions. Low Level: you have fear and respect of other Bleeps on the map. You learn the map and the taktics. you learn the Game. Mid Level: you now you can do a lot now. You still have respect but want to experience also whats possible. High Level: you have all the Tools and you played the games for months. You have seen it nearly all and want to experinece and get new experince or stuff you havent seen or done before. You create your Content. And if your not able to creat your Content any longer and if there is no new Content you leave the game and play the next one. In short, the realsitic Argument is sense less for my personal oppinion. (I said I did all of that as a job for some years so also know a lot of the standard arguments). Oh and forgot: The mod of this page here dont want People to advise others this Game might not be their best choice. I think its much more problematic to name people who dont react on ingame speech as expected (even everyone should know that they might be in a Possi speach and even cant hear you at all) or who Play it different, then as you expect them to Play it, to name those or any Player as People with Problems or being alone or what ever. Please rething this argumentation. There had been several doctors, law persons and similar educated and proffessional persons checking Games on the effect of peoples behavior or if a string cut be done to stick ingame doings to real live behavior and they came to a different conclusion as you do @lumper so possibly rething that please. @The_Liquor Nope, as with the implementation yesterday, with such a massiv Change, all Players where reset to blue and can start a rethought career now (from the Bleep logic seen).

I think it will come. Actually targeting a deer and having a smart palyer who runs into that line being defensive him self, might Change this set up, so you Count as having him targeted and he shots you then under full Passiv protection. Did any one check alreaddy how Passiv Players are seen during an ongoing FR Mission? Are they still protected? We will see but i am still not really convienced, also think about eralier GTAO issues of the same kind by missusing the passiv parts and as said before, we had it yesterday and I really would like to understand how to stopp such Players Ingame cause having them protected so you´re Exploround does´nt really hurt them while they kill you several times is for sure not how this System should work.

Have you realised issues with this new System? It seems like we got attacked yesterday from blue dots which had the passiv mode on, not catching much dammage even we used explosiv Munition to defend our self, but killing us instandli more then 1 time. We had been on offensive Mode. So if thats the case, then this will llead to the usage of the passiv mode to realy allow Griefing ellements for this feature my opinion. Did you had similar experiences today? Also I understand the passiv offensive Change can happen after 30 Sekonds and is changed automaticly to offensive if you attack a Player first? Strange, and Maybe I missed or had overseen something but I am pretty sure that is what happened and that they had been on passiv without us attacking first. Possibly Need to do a passiv test tonight by my self.

I emptyed both on a Player behind cover, by Jumping around the Corner a Mete rnext to him and he died (of Course) so no, I did not realise a nerf so far. But I was close up tothat guy (who attacked firs tby the way), Maybe they shrunk the distance? Will Need to test more to say. By the way, those of you who are not abel to go "on" Tonight, I have put a short video on the new ingame Poker to my channel. So if youre interested drop by (you find it here at "about me").

Honestly, I think more bluer Players then red ones shot at me with launching the first shot (until today). This possibly also was partly attracted by the daily Tasks, which just changed today to no more PVP Tasks in FR. So it surly gets more peacfull now out there.

Yes, all correct. I think RDR is a game that attracts a lot of Gamers who have no PVP experience and are Shocked if shot by another player. Also if you played solo only and this is your first PVP experience. You are used to roast NPC´s like ist Nothing and you might think, now I am a good, if not the best Player, just to realize in PVP that there is much more that belongs to this Things lie skill, taktics etc. So you cant believe ist you and therefore search for another reason whoch thenm must be the Griefers. I agree, RDR is an Arkade shooter for low skil Players (that defines the huge Auto aim help) so there are a lot who need to get used tio PVP first. R* tried to bring PVP and PVE togehter and that is why this diskussuins now take place. Still its a PVP game.

All good and valid Points. You never can look behind the other Players mind and possibly they even do not understand your english as speaking japaneese or russsian only. Not in the case above but in general. So to get rid of that, after he shot you once, press parley, doing so only takes a second, and dont waste your time to talk in lenght in Special if he doesent react. So he would had been of for 10 minuts. I think often it is more the "oh if I pres sparley they think I ma weak" Effekt. Which is Nonsens. Ist much bette rto press parley then to winch About the fact not to have pressed ot and got shoten on and on. How ever, I think you got my Point and I got yours but for me it is totaly over reacting to bann PVP becuase sometimes there might be someone who doesent react if I screm "Peace" into my mic. I try to always wait for the first shot but if it is done, I go on Revenge mode. At the same time I wait if I get lassoed or scaved and I let them take me with them. Finaly sometimes they just shot me and I come back (yes, always) or somethging funny things start to happen. I am only after Special Scenes and Special Things that happen and are not after any Standard game Play. As said, I dont care if I am killed, I care if I am killed in another boring way.