Rdr2 graphics blurry PS4 Pro

[MasterMarston]

is Assassins creed odyssey much better looking on the Xbox one X than PS4 Pro???

[Truth]

3 minutes ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

The PS4 has a lot of high quality exclusives that microsoft can´t beat at this time.

I have no intention of buying new games right now. I got sick of it. I didn't even buy RDR2 (won it here) lol

I just really need something to make that 4k tv purchase worthwhile, and upgrading my xbox would accomplish that.

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

3 minutes ago, MasterMarston said:

is Assassins creed odyssey much better looking on the Xbox one X than PS4 Pro???

No it is nearly no difference.

On release the performance was better on the x but now the game runs rock solid for me on the pro and looks amazing with hdr.

 

I think this is the problem right here, but a lot of users know, that the pro is no bad console. This is really bad for the Playstation users and fanbase.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[BropolloCreed79]

1 hour ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said:

Sorry, guy I´m using a Pal System and my tv is not ntsc compatible. I have the same issues.

That was my point.  PAL is only 50 fps.  NTSC is 60.  Because Take Two and R* are NA based, I'm wondering if the native systems being in NTSC are part of the problem with the graphical issues when the signal is ported to PAL.

I'm not experiencing the issues others are, but I don't have a PS Pro.  I'm on a 4K HDR set that upscales the native image from the standard PS4, and it looks amazing--all without the pixelating issues that are being reported when the "fake" 4K is being pumped out by the PS Pro.

Without running the tests myself, I can't be certain.  But you indicated you were in Spain, so the first thought in my mind was "PAL/NTSC".  10 fps on an output signal may not be distinguishable to the human eye in most contexts, but that doesn't mean it can't cause issues with processing if it's not planned for in development.

[MJROu812]

Man has this thread run off course? And I only read the last 3 or 4 pages?

[gamingcllz]

4 minutes ago, MJROu812 said:

Man has this thread run off course? And I only read the last 3 or 4 pages?

It definitely has. Which isn't necessarily good for the issue the game is having. 

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

Thgis is strange I´m on 60 Hz with my display in 4k and 120 on 1080p

I´ve tested the original cable of the pro with my tv and it looks a lot more blurry. I´m using a 10 bit premium cable and it looks a lot crisper, because that can be the point, that titles on the x are not looking  so much better on my x. The signal is stronger on the pro.

I don´t know if this can be an issue to with pal and ntsc. I see now on 50 hz my x gives  me a black screen on red dead redemption 2.

No matter the version of the x that I have is no german version. It is an import version.

But the blur is for me now more the strong motion blur in horseriding and gunfights in the wood with a lot of special effects. This is now my biggest problem. Only with the dead eye cam I can see the bandits.

 

Sorry guys. I can open a new thread for this.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

10 minutes ago, gamingcllz said:

It definitely has. Which isn't necessarily good for the issue the game is having. 

Sorry, but this are all technical aspects that can produce this issues for me. It is not only the hdr problem anymore and it has not only to do with the checkerboarding. It is special.

Strange is why we have scenes that are clear and crisp and other scenes that are blurry as hell. This is no issue of checkerboarding.

In the woods and in the camps it must have been something to do with soft blending foliage on the pro.

Look right here the taa and the checkerboarding with a soft blending of the foliage ruins the image in the forest and ruins details like beardhair, hair and other Alphatextures, the taa and the checkerboarding causes the doubling effect and a bit of ghosting. The Alphablending do the rest.

https://medium.com/@bgolus/anti-aliased-alpha-test-the-esoteric-alpha-to-coverage-8b177335ae4f

Sorry Ross 101 I´m going a bit off of the real discussion of this thread, but I studying the issues right now.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[gamingcllz]

There is no way R* has yet to see that people are having issues with HDR or the PS4 PRO version of the game. They're likely just kept quiet as to not disappoint everyone on a fix that will either never come or is far off from being released. I hope this isn't the case, but I'll be wherever this argument is either way, making sure I'm there to back it as I'm not going to be buying an XBOX in the foreseeable future. 

Edited November 13, 2018 by gamingcllz

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

The blur has nothing to do with HDR.

Sorry I´ve worked on a dx 9 gameengine and push the maximum out of it and the blur has nothing to do with hdr. The hdr gaves the washed out colours that´s it.

This is what I want explain in many technical ways right here. This is not gamebreaking. The blur dtat dimms up and down in scenes with a lot of smoke and foliage is gamebreaking and destroys the immersion of this game on the pro.

You can´t focus anything on those scenes and this gives the illness and tired eyes for a lot of users.

 

This is what I would explain the community support and I wrote that in my tickets and receive answers of tv hdr calibration. That is the point for me.

Edited November 13, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[gamingcllz]

You're right, it does not; the blur is still very much there when HDR is turned off. I personally try to keep from pinning the issue on any aspects of the game, that's something for R* to figure out.  

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

It seems to be a real big issue for me. I will post this now all on the digital foundry channel on you tube. I hope they throw out another video. The df thread is closed and they are to many users in this thread i would all explain that on this thread.

I need someone that has the technical experience to discuss about the game engine itself.

Now I think they use for the x no taa instead msaa with alpha to coverage technics. The motion blur and depth of field effect is the same. THe hdr quality is lesser on the x it looks a lot more washed out with the same settings that I use for my pro. srgb calibrated.

 

Can someone tell me where I found a forum to talk about this technical aspects. Digital foundry is closed.

And now I´m sure the technique cannot produce HDR. Modern engines are not using alpha to coverage they boost up the performance with temporal antialiasing, Like battlefield one, frostbyte engine titles. They can´t use Alpha to coverage. To boost up the performance on the pro they use Checkerboard TAA and the Alpha Blend technique for the foliage.

The x will use supersampling or multisampling for the foliage and use the alpha to coverge technique to reduce the blur. The PS4 Pro has not the power to use this technic in 4k, but in the 1080p mode.

Alpha to coverage to sharpen the foliage without jagged edges can only used without temporal antialiasing like taa and fxaa.

This images are coming from the final release trailer from playstation. I´ve looked for cinematic scenes with cinematic motion blur. This looks different to the final output retail on the pro.

THE IMAGES ARE LOOKING ONLY A LITTLE BIT SOFTER AS THE IMAGES ON THE X. THIS IS NOT THE VERSION THAT WE RECEIVE:

Charakter Close Ups Seems to be Downgraded, because of the massive blur in the retail.

 

 

Can someone post this pictures on a similar channel on twitter or on facebook. I´m not using facebook anymore and twitter is not working for me. Is someone on twitter?

Edited November 14, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[JoaoToxic]

Any date to solve this problem on PS4 Pro?

[0ldKen]

Dude, they aren’t even acknowledgeing that there even is a problem...

[Ross101]

25 minutes ago, 0ldKen said:

Dude, they aren’t even acknowledgeing that there even is a problem...

This is what I keep saying as well 😂

[MN32410 Red_&_Dead]

1 hour ago, Ross101 said:

This is what I keep saying as well 😂

That is why I will found a popular site where I can bomb down the support politics of rockstar. IGN or something else? A bomb like a petition, but a bit harsher. They must pay for this fail. Ubi has learned about those politics a lot on the last releases. This must burn like napalm in the face of the rockstar boss. I gave back to pros that I bought for a good friend of mine and my twin brother. Bundled versions with rdr 2. Now I will write why I have  given  it back on amazon. I will post something of that what I wrote right here on amazon. 

They are no brainer in the support chat and bots to answer your questions. The bots are out of data or using a c 64 or nes

A chimpanse or orang utan can give you a better answer. Ugh..

You can talk about the weather or the sin of life and death and you would receive the same answer. I´m sure. Or the three little pigs.

Edited November 14, 2018 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead

[Taranto]

Hey, folks! I've said before that the blurring image is not a big deal, but I must admit that it may be for some of you (it's still not a big deal for me though). I did some tests, as you suggested, and though it's something really bad going on, it's not related to motion blur as some of you insist, so it will help nothing if R* give us the option to turn it off in future patches). The issue is indeed with the upscaling process as some folks already pointed here. I realized that if you start the game in 1080p, as someone here said to do, and switch it back to 4k during the game it really will make the edges better, though you lost some fine details overall. So I think it's indeed the best option for you guys that can't play because of the blurring.

[Chris11]

ffs, i can start a new game, got the camp glitch for no reason and no previous saved game with Marston in camp, luckily i'm only 2 missions into chapter 2.........

Can wait for the patch but who knows when it will launch....

[C.D.Mortimer]

The campsite patch will be fixed, as someone here mentioned they acknowledged that. I am afraid to say that the person who claims to be from Rockstar, seems to make more sense to me by the day. It appears to be like he says, they don't see HDR/blur problems as being a priority.

Rockstar made a very crustal mistake in which they refuse to listen to us customers! I will hold on to my PS4 Ultimate edition and if nothing will be patch, I will sell it to some other gullible gamer, who still has faith in this company who starts to irritating me more by the day!

If a Rockstar employee reads this, he will say "then we are still making a huge profit, so no harm done (to us)"!

Edited November 14, 2018 by C.D.Mortimer

[R.Star]

Good morning everyone,

As mentioned in my previous two posts, I work for Rockstar, and i'm here to help. I own a playstation myself and want this issue to be minimized as soon as possible.

I'm happy to inform you that there will be an executive meeting to discuss RDR Online, which is releasing later this month, and we have a small section of time at the end for bringing up issues.

I'm going to forward everyone's concerns here to the team, and ask that you let me know if there are any other major concerns you'd like to be brought to the senior teams attention before the meeting starts at 9:00 PST.

Your patience and understanding are extremely appreciated, as always.

Edited November 14, 2018 by R.Star

[lonley22]

9 minutes ago, R.Star said:

Good morning everyone,

As mentioned in my previous two posts, I work for Rockstar, and i'm here to help. I own a playstation myself and want this issue to be minimized as soon as possible.

I'm happy to inform you that there will be an executive meeting to discuss RDR Online, which is releasing later this month, and we have a small section of time at the end for bringing up issues.

I'm going to forward everyone's concerns here to the team, and ask that you let me know if there are any other major concerns you'd like to be brought to the senior teams attention before the meeting starts at 9:00 PST.

Your patience and understanding is extremely appreciated, as always.

please fix the blur on ps4 pro!!!
look at these in comparation.. 
it's not from console settings or tv.. the screenshots are from console set on 4k.. look how great odyssey looks.. 
Red Dead Redemption 2 on ps4 is just a blurry mess.. 
its not playable now.. 
after 20-40 min i got headaches & dizziness..  

Edited November 14, 2018 by lonley22

[Why?]

Yeah... You are. . Hahaa

 

 

[C.D.Mortimer]

39 minutes ago, R.Star said:

Good morning everyone,

As mentioned in my previous two posts, I work for Rockstar, and i'm here to help. I own a playstation myself and want this issue to be minimized as soon as possible.

I'm happy to inform you that there will be an executive meeting to discuss RDR Online, which is releasing later this month, and we have a small section of time at the end for bringing up issues.

I'm going to forward everyone's concerns here to the team, and ask that you let me know if there are any other major concerns you'd like to be brought to the senior teams attention before the meeting starts at 9:00 PST.

Your patience and understanding are extremely appreciated, as always.

I am sorry, but to much of a coincidence to me! I mentioned him and he replied! Don't keep your hopes up to much, I figure there is a 50/50 change he is really from Rockstar. Normally a employee would prove they are from Rockstar. When you look at his posts you can conclude he created the account to only follow this thread. Now I did the same, but I am not claiming to be from Rockstar! 🤨

There are many forms of trolling, and the worse one is to give people false hope! BE WARNED!

Edited November 14, 2018 by C.D.Mortimer

[Dubya75]

1 hour ago, R.Star said:

Good morning everyone,

As mentioned in my previous two posts, I work for Rockstar, and i'm here to help. I own a playstation myself and want this issue to be minimized as soon as possible.

I'm happy to inform you that there will be an executive meeting to discuss RDR Online, which is releasing later this month, and we have a small section of time at the end for bringing up issues.

I'm going to forward everyone's concerns here to the team, and ask that you let me know if there are any other major concerns you'd like to be brought to the senior teams attention before the meeting starts at 9:00 PST.

Your patience and understanding are extremely appreciated, as always.

LOL yeah sure buddy! Is R* support really this bad and are they really this ignorant of the issues the community has been complaining about that they sent you here as our White Knight? And STILL you are asking us to let you know what the issues are, even when it is all well documented in this thread alone? 

You're a TROLL! You don't work for R*. They would have employed an official community manager for this stuff. You're not it.

 

Edited November 14, 2018 by Dubya75

[Rockstar74]

People. Rockstar is not going to fix this.  They would have long since acknowledged this by now.  It sucks, but it is what it is.  Them ignoring this issue should be enough information to tell you they are sweeping this under the rug.  

[Dubya75]

1 minute ago, Rockstar74 said:

People. Rockstar is not going to fix this.  They would have long since acknowledged this by now.  It sucks, but it is what it is.  Them ignoring this issue should be enough information to tell you they are sweeping this under the rug.  

You are probably right. It is starting to look like they have no intention of addressing this. I didn't want to believe it, but the game was released almost 3 weeks ago and for R* not to communicate with us at all up until now, is really odd. I am starting to regret my GOTY nominations...

[Truth]

1 hour ago, lonley22 said:

after 20-40 min i got headaches & dizziness.. 

About 3 seconds into looking at that picture, my eyes are burning...

I feel bad for all of you...

[lonley22]

4 minutes ago, Truth said:

About 3 seconds into looking at that picture, my eyes are burning...

I feel bad for all of you...

i feel cheated and stolen by rockstar..

[Dexter757]

1 hour ago, lonley22 said:

please fix the blur on ps4 pro!!!
look at these in comparation.. 
it's not from console settings or tv.. the screenshots are from console set on 4k.. look how great odyssey looks.. 
Red Dead Redemption 2 on ps4 is just a blurry mess.. 
its not playable now.. 
after 20-40 min i got headaches & dizziness..  

Thats true, look how GTA 5 in 4K (PC ofcourse) compared to RDR2, 2 games from Rockstar... just insane downgruade

Edited November 14, 2018 by Dexter757

[Truth]

10 minutes ago, Dexter757 said:

I can't really see an issue in this one... Maybe it's just me.

You also have to consider how many textures there are. Plants and grass are a lot more difficult to display than a parking lot and flat surfaces.