MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 happy new year, I think only the motion blur is more minor and gives a crisper image and my tv receives an update that interpolated better checkerboard resolutions. Nothing more. You can turn around the camera and you will see the motiion blur is lesser. The game is completely playable now and yes it is for me the best open world that I ever saw in a videogame. Later in the game their are so many places that are looking absoloutely incredible. Chekerboard and taa destroying the immersion a little but overall it is a better gameexperience with the lesser motion blur effect on rotating camera.
Truth Posted January 4, 2019 Posted January 4, 2019 3 hours ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said: my tv receives an update that interpolated better checkerboard resolutions. So the problem is your tv?
GMak81 Posted January 5, 2019 Posted January 5, 2019 @MN32410 Red_&_Dead So you remember earlier in the thread when you blasted me for mentioning TV settings when I was trying to help? I'm glad your TV update solved your problem. I'll apologise to me on your behalf. Enjoy the game. 1 2
C.D.Mortimer Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) Have we all been wrong on the graphics problems of Rdr2 and are they caused by the tv or is it the game? I personally don't believe it is only a tv that will be better with an update. When Rockstar hears this they won't do anything about the graphics ever again. 🤔 Edited January 7, 2019 by C.D.Mortimer 1
Truth Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 (edited) 41 minutes ago, C.D.Mortimer said: Have we all been wrong on the graphics problems of Rdr2 and are they caused by the tv or is it the game? I personally don't believe it is only a tv that will be better with an update. When Rockstar hears this they won't do anything about the graphics ever again. 🤔 When I upgraded to the xbox one x, I had to change a setting (ON MY TV) just to allow my tv to display 4k from that specific input. Had nothing to do with the xbox, just a stupid setting that one would assume a 4k tv would do automatically. Might be worth looking into. Edited January 7, 2019 by Truth
Dubya75 Posted January 7, 2019 Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, C.D.Mortimer said: Have we all been wrong on the graphics problems of Rdr2 and are they caused by the tv or is it the game? I personally don't believe it is only a tv that will be better with an update. When Rockstar hears this they won't do anything about the graphics ever again. 🤔 Are you for real man??? If it was a problem with your TV, every single game you play on it would have had the same problem. EVERY SINGLE GAME! But this is not the case, is it? No. It is literally ONLY RDR2 having this problem. So where is the cause of the problem? THE GAME! 3
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) No it is not only the TV. The checkerboard rendering is really bad, but with the tv update and with the reducing of the motion blur it looks much better. It is really necesarry to use a hdmi premium cable. It is a big difference in all games. I think sony changes something too, with update 6.20 of system software. I think rockstar has changed the motion blur with the latest patch. It is minor now. You can feel the change, when you turning around the camera in third person. It is all clearer and causing no headache. With the tv update other titles looking now like real 4k, especially god of war, shadow of the tomb raider and spiderman I´m now in the epilogue of thge game and have really enjoined the story of the game. With systemsoftware update 6.20 it is a big difference for me ,to play with boost mode or without boostmode. I turn it off now for cleaner graphics and lesser stuttering. All this is really strange, but now the fanspeed of the ps4 pro and the noiselevel is a bit higher in newer games. Strange Edited January 8, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
Minimoni Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 55 minutes ago, MN32410 Red_&_Dead said: No it is not only the TV. The checkerboard rendering is really bad, but with the tv update and with the reducing of the motion blur it looks much better. It is really necesarry to use a hdmi premium cable. It is a big difference in all games. I think sony changes something too, with update 6.20 of system software. I think rockstar has changed the motion blur with the latest patch. It is minor now. You can feel the change, when you turning around the camera in third person. It is all clearer and causing no headache. With the tv update other titles looking now like real 4k, especially god of war, shadow of the tomb raider and spiderman I´m now in the epilogue of thge game and have really enjoined the story of the game. With systemsoftware update 6.20 it is a big difference for me ,to play with boost mode or without boostmode. I turn it off now for cleaner graphics and lesser stuttering. All this is really strange, but now the fanspeed of the ps4 pro and the noiselevel is a bit higher in newer games. Strange This feels like placebo... Boost mode on the PS4-pro should make no difference in RDR2 since it is already optimized for the pro, no?
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, Minimoni said: This feels like placebo... Boost mode on the PS4-pro should make no difference in RDR2 since it is already optimized for the pro, no? It is strange. In the systemsoftware version before 6.20. I saw no difference, but now it is clearer and it runs smoother in the most scenes. I´ve tested it again and again. Yes it sounds stupid, but it is the truth for me. I´m done now with the game. With the story. It is no good PS4 Pro port, the grphical quality is switching to often. No fix only lesser blur for me since the release day. I don´t know why that works for me. The graphic in fast sequences needs a lot more optimization. Sometimes the graphic looks absoulutely stunning and than it looks more like crap. The fog and lighting shafts have now a lesser quality I think. I see a lot of artifacts in the lightshafts. On releaseday the lightshaft quality and fog quality was finer. Resolution of the shafts seems to be changed. I hope for all of you that the checkerboarding will be fixed. This is a kind of a mess. I don´t know why it is so complicated to use a native 1440p. I can´t understand why it is so difficult to delete the taa. The witcher 3 is not using taa, but uses the same checkerboarding resolution and it looks in all scenes crisper and sharper. I can´t understand it, because the performance would be better without the crappy taa. Without the technical issues this game is a real masterpeece for me. The story is very long and the tempo is lower as in the most other modern games, but it works. It reflects the old spirit of western movies in the past. The length of the story could be a bit shorter. If you play only the story you need over 70 hours. I think 50 hours are enough. This is to long. I don´t know what guys have the time to explore the whole game and complete it totally. Edited January 8, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead
Abdarrell Posted January 8, 2019 Posted January 8, 2019 On 10/26/2018 at 8:45 PM, X S said: PS4 Pro was confirmed to be using some kind of checkerboard rendering. Xbox One X is native 4K. I have not experienced any blurring issues (XB1X). Playing on an LG B7 OLED. You don't get frame rate issues / stuttery image on 1X? I get it pretty bad on my LG C8, and no picture mode changes have been able to help it.
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 11, 2019 Posted January 11, 2019 It is really weird. I use an older savegame of the game, because I would play now the missing quests of john marston sadie adler and other chars and the problem exists. Again all is blurry and looks more muddy and lesser detailed. I don´t know what it is but it is lesser in the middle part of the game and at the end. This looks so terrible. A bit sharper as before, because of the tv update, but the eyecancer is back.
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) Has anybody the same problem that the graphic looks more blurry as before those new online updates. Playing in the desert is so terrible and the woods looking totally washed out again. Why the hack the online updates are not shown on the ps4 dashboard or menu? The heavy motion blur is back for me since the online updates When the game works probably it is one of the best titles I´ve ever played. I hope patch 1.06 fixes that issues. Online looks more blurry too. Edited January 12, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 (edited) On 1/7/2019 at 9:43 PM, C.D.Mortimer said: Have we all been wrong on the graphics problems of Rdr2 and are they caused by the tv or is it the game? I personally don't believe it is only a tv that will be better with an update. When Rockstar hears this they won't do anything about the graphics ever again. 🤔 No it is not only a tv issue. Look at the foliage of bigger trees. You see a doubling effect on the foliage and some pixels of thefoliage are out of place. You can see the same on hair and clothes. Strange is for me, the effect is much stronger again since the new online update that comes out for two days. The heavy motion blur is back, with the update. De juttering can´t fix the problem. The only solution is again the 1080p mode. I would play with a lower level of detail pof grass distance, but I need a crisp image. For all of you where the tv receives no update in upscaling, it must now looking more worst than before. Isn´t it? This is a shame. Is it now 860p in higher resolution mode. I don´t know, but it looks like that now. Edit: All my other games looking crisp Edited January 12, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
Raposo Posted January 12, 2019 Posted January 12, 2019 I just stopped playing when I saw that they would never fix the game. I finished the main mission and part of the secondary missions. And the blur problems are more visible in certain parts of the game, and they also become accentuated depending on the weather, schedule .. then sometimes it seems that some update has fixed the blur of the game, when in fact nothing was done. 1
Jofefe Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Hey people, I had the same blurry problems as I mentioned it on this topic before. After researching a lot the last days in order to set my TV up correctly I found something that has helped me a lot to improve sharpness and image quality. Maybe some of you already know it but in my case I did not...if we change the name of the port where your HDMI is connected to "PC" the TV recognizes your PS4 as a computer and the image is way better and sharper now. I'm going to attach a photo (my TV is a Samsung NU7090) After doing it all games look better now. I hope it may help you
Shakengandulf Posted January 13, 2019 Posted January 13, 2019 Im done on here. Haven't been on here for a few weeks and i see nothing but posts about tv settings, someone even believes tv settings can increase performance... wow It is not the Tv that is causing this issue so stop posting it. 4
GatoNegro Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 I am honestly amazed that this thread has reached 46 pages. This has to be the biggest if not one of the biggest on the forum. I still don't understand why so many people are having issues with this and it would seem it is either the console itself or the game (or both) cause I know all these people can't own the same TV. lol
Dubya75 Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 3 hours ago, GatoNegro said: I am honestly amazed that this thread has reached 46 pages. This has to be the biggest if not one of the biggest on the forum. I still don't understand why so many people are having issues with this and it would seem it is either the console itself or the game (or both) cause I know all these people can't own the same TV. lol Yeah. I don't know how much clearer it can be made. If all your [my] games on PS4 Pro look fantastic (God Of War, Uncharted 4, Spider-Man, Hellblade, Shadow Of The Colossus, etc etc....the list goes on) then how come only RDR2 looks like crap?! Muddy textures, blurry visuals, broken HDR (although this is a problem on all platforms) - the problem is clearly NOT with anyone's TVs although certain TV settings may alleviate the problem somewhat. The problem is ultimately with Rockstar and their crappy implementation of checkerboard rendering on the PS4 using a 1080p source signal instead of 1440p or higher. It is an insult to PS4 Pro console owners. And R* is completely ignoring the issue. Says alot about them. 4
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) The thread had a lot more sites before they cut it. We must now on 70 sites of discussion the blurry image. Switching to PC Mode on my TV gives me no quality improvement. It seems that the HDR is working better in game mode as in the pc mode on my tv. Input lag is lower for me in game mode. RDR2 needs a very low input lag, because of the slower animation speed and the lower response time. I´m done with the game too. It is one of the best game experiences when the game is working propperly. When !!!! It is by the way the crappiest checkerboard rendering implementation of all ps4 pro enhanced games Strange is for me, that the game looks fine in some parts and in other parts of the game it looks terrible. In Armadillo I´m sitting 4 metres away from my tv and all looks blurry. When I´m standing still, the picture is high detailed, and when I´m only moving stick of the controller 1 millimeter the blurry hell goes on. With the heathazing of armadillo you see no details anymore. Edited January 14, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
C.D.Mortimer Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) After carefully thinking this over, I still think the real issues (which is the game) will be fixed with the arrival of the PS5. And the reason is because then it won't have any awkward bad checkerboard sh*t (which I am never a fan of) and a true native 4K resolution with an improved and never version of AA. The reason why a company like RS isn't really taking it seriously is because of the multiple setups in the form of different TV's. They are obviously a huge fan of them self and don't think it looks that bad, so they are eager to give point to your TV or setup. As they did in the beginning when people contacted support. It is a huge misconception that a TV and the way you set it up will give you more performance, but it can look a bit differently I agree. But not to a point that it makes a bad implemented HDR/AA/Blur look normal no way! As many people indicated here all other games look great apart from RDR2. Also I due think that a new HDMI 2.1 can make a bit of difference. I saw someone say (can't remember who right now sorry) that they bought a new HDMi cable and that made look all his games better (even RDR2). I am planning to buy this Club 3D HDMI 2.1 10K 120 Hz 2 Meter cable! And see if that makes any difference! I am happy I didn't start playing the game and my PS4 Ultimate edition is still in it's wrapper and it will continue to be like this until there is a definitive solution or someone gives me 3 times the normal price for it. From what I heard the Online part isn't that great either and that is really why I bought the Ultimate version in the first place! Additionally I would like to point out that the so called Rockstar employee on this forum is a troll, or he has been silent because he gave up and thought screw them.🤔 Edited January 14, 2019 by C.D.Mortimer
Dubya75 Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 6 minutes ago, C.D.Mortimer said: After carefully thinking this over, I still think the real issues (which is the game) will be fixed with the arrival of the PS5. And the reason is because then it won't have any awkward bad checkerboard sh*t (which I am never a fan of) and a true native 4K resolution with an improved and never version of AA. The reason why a company like RS isn't really taking it seriously is because of the multiple setups in the form of different TV's. They are obviously a huge fan of them self and don't think it looks that bad, so they are eager to give point to your TV or setup. As they did in the beginning when people contacted support. It is a huge misconception that a TV and the way you set it up will give you more performance, but it can look a bit differently I agree. But not to a point that it makes a bad implemented HDR/AA/Blur look normal no way! As many people indicated here all other games look great apart from RDR2. Also I due think that a new HDMI 2.1 can make a bit of difference. I saw someone say (can't remember right now sorry) that they bought a new HDMi cable and that made look all his games better (even RDR2). I am planning to buy this Club 3D HDMI 2.1 10K 120 Hz 2 Meter cable! And see if that makes any difference! I am happy I didn't start playing the game and my PS4 Ultimate edition is still in it's wrapper and it will continue to be like this until there is a definitive solution or someone gives me 3 times the normal price for it. From what I heard the Online part isn't that great either and that is really why I bought the Ultimate version in the first place! Additionally I would like to point out that the so called Rockstar employee on this forum is a troll I assume because he has been silent or.................................he gave up and thought screw them.🤔 So....in a nutshell, wait 2 years for PS5 and hope they re-release the game for that platform? Are you high?
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 I will show you that the hell of motion blur is back in this two videos. I created the videos for a half hour. Before the online update gunrush was releeased the motion blur effect was minor for me and the whole game was playable, but now look at the two videos. 1
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 33 minutes ago, C.D.Mortimer said: After carefully thinking this over, I still think the real issues (which is the game) will be fixed with the arrival of the PS5. And the reason is because then it won't have any awkward bad checkerboard sh*t (which I am never a fan of) and a true native 4K resolution with an improved and never version of AA. The reason why a company like RS isn't really taking it seriously is because of the multiple setups in the form of different TV's. They are obviously a huge fan of them self and don't think it looks that bad, so they are eager to give point to your TV or setup. As they did in the beginning when people contacted support. It is a huge misconception that a TV and the way you set it up will give you more performance, but it can look a bit differently I agree. But not to a point that it makes a bad implemented HDR/AA/Blur look normal no way! As many people indicated here all other games look great apart from RDR2. Also I due think that a new HDMI 2.1 can make a bit of difference. I saw someone say (can't remember who right now sorry) that they bought a new HDMi cable and that made look all his games better (even RDR2). I am planning to buy this Club 3D HDMI 2.1 10K 120 Hz 2 Meter cable! And see if that makes any difference! I am happy I didn't start playing the game and my PS4 Ultimate edition is still in it's wrapper and it will continue to be like this until there is a definitive solution or someone gives me 3 times the normal price for it. From what I heard the Online part isn't that great either and that is really why I bought the Ultimate version in the first place! Additionally I would like to point out that the so called Rockstar employee on this forum is a troll, or he has been silent because he gave up and thought screw them.🤔 The cable do a great job, but it fixes not the problems of rdr2. I´m using the 3 feet version of this cable. I´ve tested a lot of other cables, but this is the best. Really no input lag or very low in any games. Colours are more intensive on hdr and slightly more image sharpness. Well, this fix not the problems in rdr2. Spiderman or other new titles looking slightly better with this cable. Yes I think too, They love tv effects. They use all of cinematic effects in red dead redemption 2 Edited January 14, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
C.D.Mortimer Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 Ah I see, it was you who bought the HDMI cable.😀 I saw another person recommend this particular HDMI too and when you said it I thought that is person two who is going to try. I will buy it at the end of the week and will test on other games! I need that longer cable, otherwise I can't fit it from my LG SJ810V 49 inch to my newly PS4 PRO (CUH-7216B). 1
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 14, 2019 Posted January 14, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, C.D.Mortimer said: Ah I see, it was you who bought the HDMI cable.😀 I saw another person recommend this particular HDMI too and when you said it I thought that is person two who is going to try. I will buy it at the end of the week and will test on other games! I need that longer cable, otherwise I can't fit it from my LG SJ810V 49 inch to my newly PS4 PRO (CUH-7216B). the 6 feet cable is the same cable. 3 feet is very short. It is the only cable with all the new 2.1 features in germany. On a 2.0b TV it uses only a higher signal, lower input lag, stable quality in all resolutions. The brightness is slightly higher. You can see that in apps like netflix or amazon prime too. It is different. The biggest difference is for me the witcher 3 with hdr. Ok, but this is the graphical blur issue thread of rdr2 Edited January 14, 2019 by MN32410 Red_&_Dead 1
Theolaitdoux Posted January 15, 2019 Posted January 15, 2019 hi friends, i'm coming back to you because i have a big new rather funny ... actually after launching resident evil 2 remake on ps4 pro i found the game pretty neat and i wanted to compare with the Xbox one X version and what a surprise to see that the version has exactly the same problem as RDR2 on PS4 pro, I share a video to watch if possible in 4k.
MN32410 Red_&_Dead Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 15 hours ago, Theolaitdoux said: hi friends, i'm coming back to you because i have a big new rather funny ... actually after launching resident evil 2 remake on ps4 pro i found the game pretty neat and i wanted to compare with the Xbox one X version and what a surprise to see that the version has exactly the same problem as RDR2 on PS4 pro, I share a video to watch if possible in 4k. Has the game the same resolution? It has a big palette of special effects. I saw videos of xbox one s and the game looks terrible on this console. Can it be that the pro cannot output real UHD with HDR correctly? I´ve watched gaming videos and new hdr tech videos with the you tube app of my tv, and all looks more detailed, not crisper, detailed. Uses the pro upscaling at any time? It is strange that games with native 1440p like uncharted 4 looking more detailed and the texture quality is looking more detailed too. For me 1440p seems to be the best solution for the ps4 pro. Only 3 Games looking better with checkerboarding resolution (spiderman, god of war and horizon zero dawn) I can nothing say to shadow of the colossus. The game looks boring to me. The world looks to empty. Checkerboarding seems not the best solution for me to fit the pro games. I will look at the demo release of resident evil 2 remake. With a good cable 1440p looks nearly like real 4k on a 55 inch tv. I don´t know how it would be looking on a bigger tv. I hope we receive a cleaner game experience in an upcoming dlc. For me hdr games looking much better and a bit clearer in yuv420, not automatic function. The automatic function seems not working well on all games. Can you create a comparison video with rdr2 material and res2 remake material? This would be interesting and it would be interesting how fast capcom fixes that checkerbarding issue. I hope they cap the game to 30 frames, not that stuttering of monster hunter world. Sorry, for posting that in this thread, but this seems to be an equal problem.
Raposo Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 I played RE2 on pro. It would be nice if RDR2 had the same problems. The game is full of effects, uses techniques to look like a movie, but I do not see anything blurred when I turn the camera, everything remains clean, without duplicating things. The pro version has the same resolution as the xbox x version, but uses a technique (it should look like quantum break). It's less clear than the version of xbox one x yes, and it has to be, it's a less powerful console, but capcom did a much more decent job than rockstar
Dubya75 Posted January 16, 2019 Posted January 16, 2019 16 minutes ago, Raposo said: I played RE2 on pro. It would be nice if RDR2 had the same problems. The game is full of effects, uses techniques to look like a movie, but I do not see anything blurred when I turn the camera, everything remains clean, without duplicating things. The pro version has the same resolution as the xbox x version, but uses a technique (it should look like quantum break). It's less clear than the version of xbox one x yes, and it has to be, it's a less powerful console, but capcom did a much more decent job than rockstar What is RE2? You want RDR2 to have problems? The PS4 Pro does NOT have the same resolution as XBOX ONE X. The X is capable of true native 4K. PS4 Pro can NOT deliver that. RDR2 on Ps4 Pro is blurry because of the checkerboard rendering. The TOPIC OF THIS ENTIRE DISCUSSION!
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