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I noticed that as well. Turning HDR definitely gets rid of the haze effect but the blurriness still remains unfortunately. I can't imagine how such a huge title like red dead 2 got HDR and checkerboarding so wrong.

I help them by ending their suffering. Usually by shooting them. In the face. With a shotgun. Then I unburden them of additional weight by helping myself to the contents of their pockets.

Greetings all! I am new here but definitely not new to gaming as I am a cranky 36 year old man. I play RDR2 on my PS4-pro and I needed to change from my 60 inch 4K HDR -tv to my old set that is not bad but still only a 47 inch 1080p tv with no HDR. And the thing is that the game looks way better on my old tv with HDR off and played in 1080p without the “upscale” or what it is called ,option on. So for the game to look good(and it does), I needed to gimp my own equipment and putt all bells and whistles to off. This is is of course not acceptable but it is the only solution as I see it right now. And to be honest, the HDR in this game is way less impressive than other titles that I have played. I would go so far to even say HDR in this game looks in many cases worse than SDR and that is just crazy. I own more or less all the exclusive games made for the PS4 and I also play on a very good gaming PC, i7 8700K with a asus motherboard that automatically or when needed and I have a Asus GTX Strix 1080 and 32gb of ram. So even though I am not a pro when it comes to technical terms and such, I am an avid players and a fan of good games. I even own an XboxoneX but I play it quite reluctantly because I am not a fan of the controllers, so I gave it to my children to use instead. Do not think I am trying to start a flame war here because I am not, the XoneX is a great console but not just my cup of tea. In any event, I can endure this game even without HDR and close to 4K just because I really love the game. Still of course, this is not the kind of stunt that a studio such as Rockstar* should pull on their fans. I will introduce me here as opposed to the “introduction” section just because I need to sleep any minute or I will be too tired for work. As mentioned, I am a cranky 36 year old male from Sweden but married with a woman from Japan. We have produced two small gamers that despite what I tell them are very eager to watch when I play this game. I am lucky that my son and daughter are both very mature and I dare say, intelligent so they can easily see that games like RDR2 is just that, a game. I have studied history and religion and have briefly reached history and religion on a university level. My wife is an interior designer but is thinking of changing career. I love westerns and mostly I love the really gritty ones. Like “True Grit”, “Deadwoos”, “The hateful eight” and of course many more. I have not played that much, I am just starting chapter three and can say that after I swithched to my old tv and played the game in sdr, I have seen none of the frame rate issues people mentions in other threads and my eyes are sensitive to framedrops. But as I explained earlier, I did indeed see the blurry qualities with the visuals and also that the HDR was horrible. I hope to enjoy a long stay here with you fellers if you would let me stay here at the comfy campfire? :-)

Let me get my fingers warmed up...Okay done. First things first, the mission template isn't even that bad. There has been variety of missions that were all different. There is missions where you ride and sneak into areas, and deliver something, there is missions where you steal things without shooting a horde of people, there is missions where you destroy large areas and flea, there is missions where you need to capture someone, there is missions where you contain animal groups and escort them, the list goes on and on... This game is for people who are into the action, shooting, robbing, and stealing, this is a big part of the game, so yeah there will be plenty of shooting run and gun, sh*t hits the fan moments, and you need to hold your ground. Now that I have the "mission template" out of the way... As far as the being close to original Red Dead Redemption complaint, yes this game is a prequel to the original Red Dead game, so the game will feel similar but drastically improves. The motion capture, levels of detail. The movement changed a lot, the horse riding is absolutely insane. The way the horse reacts to uphill riding, and the way your character leans and reacts to the hill and terrain is amazing, and it's crazy how they can motion capture to make it look so realistic in those situations. The game play has a very similar feel to the original game, because it's nostalgic, and big fans of the franchise are so use to that style, and people love the classic Rockstar 3rd person feel. However there is a 1st person option if you feel so inclined. Anyways, the game has took this franchise on a next level of gaming, not just for the franchise, but the entire gaming industry. The level of detail is phenomenal, the graphics are great, the story is great, the game play is great with minor complaints on my end, the voice acting is great, the hunting is on a complete next level for the franchise, and so is the killing effects and gore. Also, I have said this before and I will say it again, bugs occur in every game, PERIOD. There will always be some type of flaw or something wrong in a video game, and especially on this massive of a scale, this game is bound to have bugs. My theory for Rockstar delaying the game has nothing to do with bugs on launch, in my opinion, they were taking their time to much and then deadlines were coming and they had to make a release because they have been inactive of releasing a game for about 5 years now. The game has been out for about a little less than a week, and there will be fixes and updates. Hopefully in the future Rockstar will release a story DLC for us to get and by then they will have all the bugs knocked out so our experience will be THAT much better. However, it could have been a marketing strategy? I'm not sure, it's the worlds greatest mystery apparently. Clothing options wasn't bad in this game, I think it's not relevant to do damage to a score of a game just strictly based on this, especially when it wasn't all that bad. If you ever played the previous title, Grand Theft Auto V, the clothing options for each character was limited and didn't have much to offer than let's say GTA Online did. GTA Online has massive amounts of clothing options because you can personalize your character even more than ever before. In my opinion, I think Rockstar limits the clothes to fit the style and story better, because it's clothes that the character would wear and fit the character during the time of the story and game. For example, in Grand Theft Auto V, Michael wouldn't have the option to wear a snap-back hat with skinny jeans, high tops, designer hoodies in a hip hop style because it simply doesn't fit the character. I think that Rockstar limited the clothing to a certain degree to have the outfits actually fit the character and make sense in the story. When Red Dead Online comes out, I can assure you the clothing options will be far more superior and better than the actual story mode. In conclusion, the game is an easy game of the year in my opinion, it's not everyday you get to play a open world with this much detail, a great story, an awesome hunting experience included, amazing effects and atmosphere, good graphics, amazing nostalgic memories from the previous installment in the franchise, and awesome missions that never got boring with a decent amount of variety while keeping things quiet simple, and just being a bad ass outlaw member with sucking you into the amazing story this game has to offer.

Would of rather we waited another year so they got it right. If your happy with it being blurry why are you here

Welcome! Yeah, RDR2 is an amazing game. I play it at night and about 7 feet away from the tv so the blurriness is not so obvious. I'm really looking forward to the checkerboarding and bluriness fixes. Welcome and let Rockstar know about your issue as well!

It’s simple then isn’t it don’t read this thread 👍🏻 Oh and by the way 23000+ views so the 6 of us have been clicking on here a lot then havnt we 🤣🤣🤫🤫

Here's mine. +3 for story, script, acting +3 for environment / map +2 for graphics +2 for immersion +1 for later missions +2 for crazy good weather and snow effects -3 for crappy mission template (I've explained this before) -2 for being so close to RDR1 in terms of movement, interactions and gameplay, ie not really progressed in 8+ years -1 for bugs (expected but having been delayed to iron them out, the number of bugs is unacceptable) -1 for seriously lacking clothes options My rating: 6/10. My 2 biggest gripes are: 1. The mission template, which again, I've explained before (go to do the thing, thing goes wrong, take cover, kill 100 bad guys, ride off, kill 30 more bad guys on horseback). This was repeated so often it became comical. 2. The oversold interactions. According to IGN and other reviewers, the peds were supposed to live their own lives. Paraphrasing: "The world isn't there for you, it is designed to exist without you even being there." The way they described this was that people would remember you and by chance thank you in the future, etc. We were sold that each ped had some kind of memory and this was almost unscripted, but in actual fact it was nothing like that. There are the same scripted encounters that were in RDR1 (albeit a few more and of differing types), and the only thing that is different is that there is another completely scripted and contrived follow up afterwards. You're walking through a town and oh, look, that guy happens to be sat on a bench outside a gunsmith and he shouts you over. @CMcC you seem to be taking great delight in my tweet to LegacyKillerHD and it does seem to be an unpopular opinion, but as with many unpopular opinions, the counter arguments are usually not particularly objective. I'm looking at this game objectively and this "living, breathing" world that we were promised has fallen way short of the mark. The quality of the expansive map and environment is beyond doubt, but the overall gameplay mechanics are only a small step forward from RDR1, which began development 13 years ago in 2005.

Sometimes it's very hard to tell if it's a random encounter or a small side-mission when you first see someone. I've been pleasantly surprised more than once.

Sad, yet true.

Just pile em up till they fall off. I found a wagon that had oranges in so they took up some room but I bet you could get a load on there. @BropolloCreed79 might be a way of making your corpse wall.

Guys, don't bother contacting Rockstar's tech support. They are utterly useless. And neither can they be expected to offer any solutions. The OnLY way to make Rockstar pay attention to this is to make a noise about it on twitter, reddit, facebook....everywhere you can.

I have the same games and all is looking fine. I´m not talking again with this guys of the support. Someone bigger or the bosses of sony himself must talk with the team. I think a lot of people now that bought a ps4 pro, the flagship of sony think now this is a bad console. I can say no it is a really good console and for me they produce the best games in incredible quality. All exclusive title are real eye candy. THe XBox has nothing on games what reach this level. Ok, now they have RDR2 I must cry. I can´t play the game more as a half hour and i must paused it, because of tears in the eyes.

This is ridiculous, the game is amazing but in my ps4pro I have blur, Rockstar must quickly to launch the patch or I think I will bought a One X... This game needs to be play in perfect conditions!

The exact same issue for me as you guys experiecncing. This has to be fixed, its a disgrace that no one has acknowledge this issue! I've been in contact with Rockstart chat support, they are worthless. Telling me that my TV is an issue, like wut? The issue is not my tv, not my eyes, only RDR2! Everything else works fine, Spider Man, Uncharted, Tomb Raider etc etc

Been Following this thread for a few days now, Decided to contact Rockstar support after they ignored me on twitter. Pointing out their technical flaws with halving the horizontal pixel count on their up scaled checker board technique, which is resulting in this blurred image at a res of 1920x2160. i kindly pointed out equalling both horizontal and vertical pixel counts as spiderman, god of war and horizon zero dawn does would fix this or even sticking a res of 2560x1440 would fix this 10fold and possibly increase performance on frame rate. also asked them to at the very least publicly acknowledge this issue as many people are left wondering what is going on. i aslo attached the image showing the ps4 pro vs Base ps4 to highlight the blur. As for HDR, the box the website and everything else states you can play this with HDR. Surely this is false advertising and can be reported to trading standards. If enough of us do this, trading standards will have to investigate and rockstar will be FORCED to do something about it or compensate the consumer. This could become very very messy for rockstar.

Yes all the time, within 30 minutes my eyes start to hurt can't play it anymore. They have to listen and fix this.

Yes but that’s equivalent of having a Ferrari and putting horse piss in to fuel it

(PS4 Pro - Samsung KS8000) This is the first time I’ve ever went to a message board for a ps4 game. Can’t even describe the disappointment this game has caused me. I kept hoping it was just the foggy snow landscape that I had to squint through on the first hour or so but this game is so blurry, wtf! Particularly mid to far distance as others have stated. The blurriness does resolve itself if you put it on 1080p but it looks so god damn bad from what I’ve become accustomed to in 4K. I’ve literally never seen this on another game and I’ve played just about every major AAA game on PS4. I’ve never even thought of going to a gaming message board before but Red Dead was a heavily influential series in my gaming life and I was expecting this game to be AT LEAST on par with other PS4 pro 4K games. I feel your pain 0ldKen.

No I´m not a cry baby. I respect all that hard work of developpers, but this game is unplayable. If you want destroy the lifecycle of your eyes. It is yours. If you are happy with the game in that status, why you are writing messages or posting in this thread? This thread is for all those that have problems with the unacceptable blur. This game is looking better on the standard ps4. Some gamers buy the PS4 pro bundle for that game.

Told you, we have to make videos.

I like how this thread has 1,000,000 views and an army of people posting, reporting, and generally making noise to get this fixed. MEANWHILE... over at the HDR thread, it's a battle just to convince 4 people that the fact that they shipped 100% fake non-existant HDR is even a PROBLEM. Imagine if you were promised native 4k, or even checkerboarded 4k, then you buy the game, boot it up, and the game's resolution is 1080p with no option to change it. Now imagine that you had to battle with gamers who are ON YOUR SIDE just to convince them that this "issue" is even worth caring about. "I mean, 1080p... 4k... who really cares? You're nitpicking bro." !@#%

I was looting some O'Driscolls after an ambush, and I accidentally punched my horse right in the ribs. I don't have the video to upload to show what happens when you do this, but: Which I found both surprising and hilarious after I recalled earlier in the game: We should turn this into a "I punched my horse" GIF thread. Punch your horse, record what happens, and post it here!

S, I´m an oldtimer too. 42 years old.

Keep your eyes peeled.

I will do exactly that 🙂! I also mostly play at night because of work and that my family tends to want me available during the days. So my solution is to mostly play at night and then tell my wife “Oh honey, I did not spend all night playing, that is for sure! Of course I went to bed quite early, just after you where sleeping I believe”. White lies like that makes ones life way less complicated. Thanks for the welcome! I have been a lurker for some time now but decided to stop the lurking and actually sitting my fat ass down and just enjoy the conversations around the campfire.

I think scoring a 10/10 is the same for entertainment as it is for sexuality. We can all agree what a 9/10 looks like, but a 10/10 is personal to each individual. Personally, this has been one of my favorite games ever. The story, IMO, deserves a hell of a lot more than a +3. It's easily the best game story I've ever seen, and it's overall one of the best stories I've ever watched in any entertainment medium period. I personally found the excess of shooting enjoyable. It was better than the average "stalk a guy silently through the city" quests we've had in GTA games. There aren't that many things to do in game missions outside of talking civilly and fighting. I have to agree with you on the false advertisement though. I wouldn't call it overhype, because this game was definitely deserving, but I would call it blatant overselling and straight up lying. There is no real interactions with NPCs. Not even the ones at camp. You can't take your camp mates out for activities like you could in GTA 5 (WASTED opportunity) -- you could take Trevor or Lamar to rob a store and they'd sit there behind you and say "you better listen to this guy, he's crazy" to the cashier. Imagine being able to hold up stores with John or Dutch or Sadie at random! It would have been great. But no. You also get no real interaction with radiant NPCs. You can greet them for a howdy but that's literally it. There are actually more dialogue options when antagonizing people. And, robberies rarely ever work. I tried to rob around 50 people, maybe 3 of them actually gave me their money. The rest tried to shoot me and a handful tried to run away. The morality system is a joke. It might as well not be there apart from discounts at stores, of which theres nothing to buy. You're right on the money about clothing being a joke. I hated the intro blue shirt, and I only ever found 1 outfit that didn't look ridiculous outside of that. Speaking of which the economy is fundamentally broken. You get too much money for the story to justify and so it pretends that you're broke in the game and won't allow you to buy anything substantive, else wise your character would have just used his 20 thousand dollars to leave the US and buy a house in another country. There were some glitches in my game, but nothing that didn't resolve itself. I did notice that many gang members would be missing from camp. Every chapter at least 4 gang members just didn't exist in my game. I didn't see Sadie until chapter 4. TL;DR we were sold a living world outside of the story. We were lied to. I made a thread earlier which you responded to where I talked about rockstar stripping features from single player to put into multi player -- you said you didn't think they'd do that. It's a beautiful world, and a phenomenally written and acted story. That being said it's empty outside of the missions. Which I can see you feel too. No clothing options, no way to spend money outside of your horse and guns (also fundamentally useless to upgrade when you have dead eye), no random NPC interactions outside of saying hello or insulting them. NO HANGING OUT WITH GANG MEMBERS OUTSIDE OF MISSIONS AND SIDE MISSIONS (that's my biggest gripe). I'd give the story a 9/10 objectively, and the free roam a 4/10 simply because it's empty. In the end I expect many of the things I felt were left out, like an economy, good clothing, luxury items and properties to buy -- I assume they'll all be implemented into Red Dead Online. In the same way GTA 5 SP was stripped of features to save for GTAO. Same scummy business practices as 2013. Same complaints I had back then too. Literally, I was having this EXACT same argument half a decade ago. It's Rockstar. I warned you guys you were being duped. I honestly thought it would be worse. It seems I was pleasantly surprised compared to my expectations and you were slightly let down. Although, you seem a little... Emotional about it now. I know when I'm disappointed I get overworked too. I doubt you'll be this pissed in a month once you reflect on the game a bit. It really wasn't bad. Certainly not deserving of a 6. It's an 8.5 easily.

I only got caught by bounty hunters once, where they took all my money. Lawmen take a small portion.

Chapter 1 feels pretty linear, so those who give up early don't really get a flavor of the game at all. The game opens up a little in chapter 2, but it REALLY opens up in chapter 3. I'm still in chapter 3, and I just keep stumbling upon things to find and do. I keep thinking I'm going to go do that story mission I've been putting off, only to find more reasons to put it off before I can get to it!

"The bitch was inventing the candy gram"

Also ... take a bath regularly. Not kidding. It costs less than a dollar at the Valentine hotel.

Missions aside, I just sleep. Only takes 20 secs to camp and sleep and it's early morning again.

I've punched a cow which was one off the bucket list.

I'm with you. I don't get what people get from console flame-wars in general. People need to realize that the only reason their console is good is because the other console is competition, and competition spurs innovation. All us cowboys and cowgirls need to stick together!

Talk to me when you get to St Denis.

Also have an unsharp washed out picture on my ps4 Pro. It’s for sure the the rendering checkerboarding resolution that is messed up. I just dont understand how a a week have gone already later today and still no hotfix in sight, this is NOT okay!!!!

Not trying to be dismissive of the idea, just not sure we understand why someone confuses sex with romance. Back in this time period, outlaws didn't care about romance, it wasn't sex, it was rape or prostitutes. Romance isn't all that, it's dinner, flowers, candy, holding hands, sweet talk, and just pretty much enjoying the attention of another human being beyond everyday life. As far as them making a game as you suggested probably wouldn't affect Kean and some of the others of us, we just wouldn't buy the game. We bought a game about shooting and robbing. Not saying this is some moral high ground, this is just what the game is. It has been stated if Rockstar added the otherstuff, most of us wouldn't care. If you feel it is needed, then contact Rockstar and make your suggestion. It's not we have the power to do it for you here.

This! I believe there HAS to be a better deal considering how RDR2 looks on One X and how other games look on on the Pro - never had any beef with checkerboarding as the games looked absolutely gorgeous.

To balance out the negatives, here's some of the key positives that explain my high score for RDR2: The graphics are, imho, beautiful. Especially the details and weather effects. Simply gorgeous. Sometimes I just stop and look around for the pure aesthetic pleasure of it all. The game map is pretty freaking big, and reasonably varied too. It has lots of 'stuff' in it to find, hunt, talk to, take, wonder at and so on. This is a really big plus to me as it will give me a good set of hours of exploration, which is what I want in a free roam game. The stories, characters, scripting, acting are all superb. Some of them are genuinely emotionally affecting, and with a decent range too: comedic, dramatic, active, sad, silly, scary etc. This game can make you laugh, cry, be creeped-out, be disgusted and be thoughtful. That's pretty good for a game. The violence and gore can be cool and fun. OK, the controls aren't always great, and it's nothing ground breaking, but the fight and shoot sequences are entertaining and look nice. I like the fist fights, the sepia toned slo-mo kill shot cam, and the body physics. All quite nice, though nothing above and beyond. Still a small plus to me. The immersion (when it's not being all glitchy or I make a control fumble) is of a high level. This seems to be a combination of getting the tone of the genre (quasi-historical Western) and amount of detail right. It has RPG elements, like eating and temperature control and baths and stuff, which are levelled just about right to be valuable without being overly intrusive or essential. You find yourself doing them without being overly forced. It's not perfect, a couple of tweaks would be good, but it's still a plus. I like the detail, I like the immersion. When it works it works well. I just wish it worked well more often and more consistently. I think the NPC interactions are good. OK, they're not great, they're sometimes too obviously running on tracks or looping/branching scripts, but they are usually decent enough to give an illusion of a world moving on around you - when it's working well. It's a shame that sometimes the illusion is shattered by a poor interaction, spawn, loop, or the hyper-sensitive crime detection - but it's mostly ok, and sometimes really good. In short, this is RDR1 but with slightly improved NPC interactions, same high quality characters and acting - perhaps even improved, much improved map and environment, similar missions, more surprises, and much improved visuals. And given that RDR1 was so good, I can't see how RDR2 can get too low a score if it's better - and online hasn't even arrived yet, plus I expect patching to remove some of the issues. I think this game is amazing! It's a shame it over-promised and under-delivered ad didn't get as much testing/control as was necessary. Game of the year, I expect. Honestly.

I think you're the only person on my page with this. Absolutely. Also

It hurts my eyes. im seriously getting more let down everyday. I wish I could get my money back if they aren’t going to at least announce they are actually working on it.... soo lame.

Btw, happy fishing, lots of fun!

I am fine with nudity in games or even sex scenes if they serve a purpose for the story. If they are simply in there just to say "Ha! Bewbs!" then I'll take a hard pass.

Pay attention to the times they pop up if you have to replay them, chances are they will happen at the same point of day again. A lot of them are set to show up according to times like some will happen in the morning or when the sun is up and others only happen at night.

Yep, I work tier 1 support (for a software company) which are the same type of folks that man the R* tickets and Twitter accounts and stuff this prolific always makes it to leadership (if not executives).

I don't think you're seeing this through the right light, allow me to illuminate, as to scoff a this as "meh, first world problems" is missing the point. With HDR they aren't delivering what's being advertised, what we bought is not what they claim to have sold us. If you bought a car with a sunroof, and when you drove it out of the lot and realized there's no sunroof, are you just going to chuckle to yourself: "oh well, that's what I get for buying something expensive and expecting to get what I paid for, first world problems". No, of course you wouldn't. Don't act like it's unreasonable to expect to get what you were sold, what you bought. I bought a game with HDR support. Turns out it has zero HDR support. ie. no Sunroof. Not half a sunroof, not a malfunctioning sunroof, not a tinted, altered, or modified sunroof, NO SUNROOF. 4k being blurry, well that's more open-ended because there's only so much power in a PS4 Pro. 4 TFLOPS isn't a lot of GPU power, I think a GTX 970 is more powerful... It's not great, and that's something that the developers can try to optimize with future patches, but at least it's technically projecting a 4k image, even if not internally rendered at that. The HDR isn't even outputting HDR. You'd think that would be a bigger issue. *shrug*

Very good news, good to know this is going forward, they must fix everything. - Resolution; - Multisampling; - Anti-aliasing; - Motion blur (change level); - Depth of field; - True HDR;

Photographs.....im to busy dodging bullets😁

My mistake there, partner. I rode up over the hill and saw you going through that dead feller's pockets. What was I to think?

I would say that is the classy way of building character attachment. I like scenes in movies or games like that. However, this is a R* game. I want an old timey whorehouse with poker games and bar fights. Walk into the wrong room and enjoy a silly interaction. I don't want to watch pixels doing the deed per se, but owning a brother to make more money for my posse would be nice. Besides, F13 single player challenges satiated that curiosity.