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Not even out of Chapter IV yet. I started playing online and got sidetracked by the side quests in the story mode. Things really start to open up in Chapter IV--and so I've been muddling through everything at an almost glacial pace. Really, it's the same issue that stalled me out during Chapter II. I just keep getting distracted. Eventually, I'll buckle down and grind through the story, but most of my challenges are more than half completed, and the little things continue to suck me in I finally isolated the issue with my router that was contributing to disconnects and went deeeeeeeeeeep into the online rabbit hole over the last few weeks. Then my basement flooded last Wednesday during an epic thaw/rain storm. So I haven't even touched RDR's story mode apart from a few hours Wednesday night. I'll get back to it this weekend most likely. Trying to convince the wife that I don't need to go on the family ski trip to western NY (The Bro Show does not ski nor snowboard: I'm too old, too tall, and too anti-falling over and concussing myself) under the premise that I can stay behind and work in the basement before the rehab folks come in next week. I'll hook up the projector and play on that in my bedroom if nobody else is around, with a cooler full of porter and stout at my side.

There's one of those north of Valentine. It's also where you find the Nevada hat in Story Mode

There's a secondary resource on R*'s website, which troubleshoots router issues in a bit more detail: What helped me stabilize was activating UPnP. It didn't eliminate the disconnects entirely, but the connection is definitely more stabilized than it was. I have a combination Modem/Router, so short of running an ethernet cable, it's the best I'm going to get.

Like you wouldn't roll into Van Horn with a posse mounted in your war wagon just laying waste to the town...

I smoked people using Mayday. It was fantastic. And WM2000 was the big one because it was the first wrestling sim I remember being able to fully program and customize a character with that level of detail. PD was PD, the spiritual successor to Goldeneye. Fun, but not quite the same.

For me it was purely that I never felt right about the face. Now that I have someone who looks like, "laudanum -addled, overall-clad, shirtless, alcoholic with a heart of gold" I'm good to go, but the last few weeks have been slow going. I'll get there eventually, but next weekend is a wash for me with The Divsion 2 Beta going live for four days. I'd better buckle down.

There's so many nooks and crannies in some of these towns or areas where you can park yourself in a tight spot and wait for them to pile up at the door or come up a ladder. It's fantastic. There's a train car in St. Denis, the top of the roof at Heartlands Oil, the hayloft at the livestock auction in Valentine.... and many, many more. I'ts not just you. I'm only level 11. I'd be at 50+ but I reset my character about four or five times. And I roll solo a lot. That slows me down.

100% agree. Although I think we can all agree that shooting someone in the back of the head after they exit a cutscene before they can defend themselves is universally understood to be griefing. Nailed it. I still think a self-toggle for PvP/PvE status with a cool down timer once out of combat is the simplest way to mitigate these specific grieifing issues.

I agree that we need private lobbies, I just don't believe they're a viable solution to PvE gameplay. They'd be perfect for setting up competitive leagues, private matches, or even youtube channels/machinima content.

You know what solves all these issues? Selectable toggles for PvE and PvP status per player that isn't identifiable. And to flip the argument, what server has a PvP player been on that had 31 "Passive" players? They could leave every other existing element the way it is, the blips, everything, just by adding a toggle that isn't view-able to other players. The only players this impacts are grief killers and trolls. Any griefing elements that remain are going to be persistent in both PvP and PvE servers, should they decide to separate them, so why not just make it a toggle and call it a day?

@Tenti I merged your posts since we have a prohibition against double posting. Just thought I'd toss you a "heads-up" in case you wondered what happened to the second post. Just a reminder to everyone else; I did some thread cleanup and eliminated the double posts where I found them. I know we're all impassioned on this subject, and we often respond as quickly as we can when things get heated. So far everything in here is fine, content-wise, but please be mindful of double posting going forward. Thanks.

If you read the articles about the working conditions at R* leading up to the release, it's an even more appropriate metaphor. R* Leadership IS Dutch; they have a plan, but don't do anything to actively further the plan, instead relying on the backbreaking work of a group of underlings to do all the heavy lifting while they sit in a separate tent/office daydreaming about Tahiti, mangoes, and listening to unsolicited advice from Dutch/Youtubers.

The answer is cold. When it's cold, there's more options to warm up, but when you're in extreme heat, your options are limited. When it's cold, you can go indoors, build a fire, start moving around to generate body heat. When it's hot, you need either water or AC. Those are literally your only options. Stripping down just gets your jibbly bits sunburned.

It happens. The other day, I was raiding a camp by sniping with my rifle down into the canyon, and I accidentally shot and killed another player because I wasn't using the companion app, so I didn't have the map view showing me the other guy. I just saw the "murder" notification and honor loss, followed by the "Bropollo Creed killed Player X" tag, and literally said, "oops". Lesson learned. Now, I keep the app open.

The kids have kindle fire 8's at home. I procure one every night before playing RDO, log in with my credentials, and start going to work.

I can see the merit in expanding the toggle cooldown time. 30 seconds was an arbitrary number, but there's definitely merit to pushing it out like that. The idea of deputizing players and allowing them to collect a bounty for capturing/killing someone with a bounty is very, VERY appealing. R* is going to have to be careful how the implement this system, though--the potential for griefers to bait folks into getting a bounty is going to be there (thinking back to how folks in THe Division used to be able to intentionally run into your field of fire to have you slapped with "Rogue" status when you were aiming an NPCs), so I hope they place limits on it, and not make something where some delta bravo with a bunch of cash walks into a sheriff's office and puts a bounty on another player to troll them. It has to be something that's triggered by the player's activity, like killing too many civilians, or more than two unarmed players in a five minute span. Again, those are arbitrary values, but the point is, they need to have clearly defined rules for deploying poses/bounties that aren't able to be easily exploited by players for greifing purposes.

You'll probably find the person in charge on a Mango farm in Tahiti. Be careful when you get there, though; he may convince you there is a plan, and all that is needed is "a little time" and "some faith". Then they'll turn around and listen to the RDRO Youtubers, the community equivalent of Micah, and ruin it for everyone.

Very, very true. I'm not even opposed to some of the griefer tactics (imo, lying in wait to ambush players at the butcher is actually quite brilliant), but shooting unarmed players coming out of a cutscene animation and then spawn killing them before they can even reorient is, frankly road apples. That's not a PvE versus PvP debate, that's just garbage design. I also think they need to take a hard look at level banding some of the servers. pitting someone below level 20 against players in the 80's or 90's is never going to be a fair fight, no matter how good or bad the average player is. Even the Showdown Series modes need some balancing--like deactivating a player's cards. I can't tell you how many times I've put a round in someone's head at point blank range in Gun Rush or other modes, only for them to laugh in my face as I get one-shot. Again, road apples. It eliminates any semblance of delineation by ability, much like having auto-aim. And what's worse, unskilled players with a "wide" auto aim setting and dialed up aim assist can burn you down with one hand tied behind their back. Hell, Stevie Wonder could play the game with settings like that.

I thought it was Belsnickel.

Good enough for me. And I appreciate the level of engagement and courtesy in the discussion overall; this forum has a good thing going, and it's folks like yourself who can engage in a spirited debate without making things personal that keep this place both intellectually stimulating and entertaining. Pleasantries aside, let's delve into this a bit more: There is if a player's "toggle" status isn't publicly available. If the player isn't flagged at all, I would think the surprise element is intensified, rather than abated, because you will have no idea what their intentions are. Not having the status flagged or tagged for others maintains the element of surprise, so you won't know who will or won't attack you. But self-toggling is almost a way to troll a troll, because they can run up on your and try to attack, only to be met with futility. In a way, it's almost a perfect system and solution, because it ostensibly maintains the current status quo unless your aim is to attack random players for no reason other than to grief. As it stands now, literally every player is a threat, so if you're looking to mitigate the chances for a confrontation, all you have to do is avoid anyone and everyone. Hell, that's what I do now in Free Roam--I open my map and look to where the most open sector of the map is, and then fast travel there to do Stranger Missions. When I want to PvP, I play Gun Rush. Or rather, I try to play Gun Rush, only making it out of the lobby and into the match about one time out of every 8-10 attempts. R* needs to fix their game, beta or not, the experience is lacking specifically due to the frequent disconnects. But only if you yourself are flagged for PvP. Operating under the assumption that everyone is a threat, much as they potentially are today in the current compulsory PvP Free Roam mode, you constantly treat everyone as a threat. If a player's status isn't public information, a PvP player is then forced to continue to treat everyone as a threat. A quick toggle from PvE to PvP isn't a legitimate argument against implementing the system if the status isn't identified by the game, and only known to the individual player. For the sake of argument, let's assume that your scenario occurs; a PvE player approaches a PvP player, toggles, and then attacks. What sin has been committed? If the PvP player didn't want to be attacked, they should have been flagged as PvE. If the PvE player toggles and attacks, under the proposed model, they'd be unable to toggle back for thirty seconds once exiting combat. 30 seconds is more than enough time to respawn and attempt to avenge yourself. Under the current map model, your killer is tagged as an aggressor and stays on your minimap as long as they're in a relative proximity to you. Keeping that system in place allows the recently slain and respawned PvP player to seek retribution. Tie combat status to that proximity marker for aggressor status, and a player seeking revenge has more than enough opportunity to pursue vengeance. A lot of folks maintain that they love "having to watch their backs" or that they don't want R* to dilute the current experience. That logic is flawed because folks who are playing the game for it's RPG elements and leveling a character will play a Showdown Series or Gun Rush when they want to PvP--they don't actively seek out other players to indiscriminately ambush or murder. Giving PvE folks the ability to toggle off PvP status (that isn't broadcast to the rest of the players) changes nothing for anyone else on the server unless they're trying to murder that player or troll the PvE players. The "noble" PvP players who want a pure PvP experience lose nothing because those PvE players don't participate in the activity anyways. On a 32 player Free Roam server, what are the odds that a PvP player is going to be pitted against more than half a PvE population? I suppose if you're worried about being outnumbered by PvE players on a server, there can be quotas for entry based on what you're toggled at when you last logged out, such as no more than half the slots in a server can be pre-toggled to PvE, but more than half can be PvP. This seems reasonable in assuring the PvP experience isn't watered down, apart from trolls, while providing a PvE experience for those who need it. And if the servers fail to populate appropriately, it's just emblematic of the player population's desire for a more PvE than PvP overall, but I doubt that would happen. But if it did, R* could easily change the quota.

Do we pin it in "Online"? Seems like it'd be a popular topic.

I very much would like to have the Marshall's eyepatch from the online story mode.

Sounds like a very reasonable person (and fellow Marvel Heroes refugee... I'm not proud of what I dumped into that game).

No. Despite the "special offer" I refuse to give them money for a beta. It's the principal of the matter. It'd one thing if I was guaranteed that anything I spent my gold on would be retained, but if I decide to, say, delete my character, everything I paid for in gold is GONE. That's a problem for me. I'm not keen on renting digital clothing for my character.

It's a blank canvas. You do you, player.