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1 hour ago, Netnow66 said:

Maybe you're right and Rockstar just isn't "there" yet and they are going for "something different." Maybe I just came on too early (and had others come on, too, unfortunately--they've been totally run off).

What I do know is that i don't feel comfortable giving them a big thumbs up at this point regarding griefing. I still find it curious that I have to select Defensive every time I log in.

To be fair, we are barely out of beta... this is a brand new game still... most of the quitters left before the official release even happened and are not giving the game a chance to grow to its potential. I personally am still hopeful for a refreshing new game when it is all fleshed out.

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3 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

This right here is my biggest fear with separating the lobbies. The idea that sure, you can have a griefer free lobby, but you can’t do anything useful there. I tried gta on PS4 after a long break. I literally can’t do a single profitable thing due to some jackass flying by on his oppressor and blowing up my stuff without the ability to even try and fight back... yet I cannot make a private lobby and still make some money to be competitive.

Change your MTU setting in the Network settings from the default 1500 to around 800 - 820. That should put you in a session by yourself or perhaps just a few folks. 

Works about 90% of the time for me and you usually stay in the session by yourself for quite a while if not the entire session. Even then, if the numbers don't grow, most that are in there with you I find are usually doing the same. .....just doing their business.

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6 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

Change your MTU setting in the Network settings from the default 1500 to around 800 - 820. That should put you in a session by yourself or perhaps just a few folks. 

Works about 90% of the time for me and you usually stay in the session by yourself for quite a while if not the entire session. Even then, if the numbers don't grow, most that are in there with you I find are usually doing the same. .....just doing their business.

Yeah, I’m well aware of the glitch.... but maybe I’m old fashioned, but I feel a game is broken if I need to cheat just to play, and this feels like cheating to me. I likely will just to make a few bucks here and there, but as far as I’m concerned GTA is broken beyond repair and will be something I only visit every once in a while because I just like GTA... I have higher hopes for RDR2 still

Posted
23 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

Yeah, I’m well aware of the glitch.... but maybe I’m old fashioned, but I feel a game is broken if I need to cheat just to play, and this feels like cheating to me. I likely will just to make a few bucks here and there, but as far as I’m concerned GTA is broken beyond repair and will be something I only visit every once in a while because I just like GTA... I have higher hopes for RDR2 still

Well, your choice.  Just providing an option that could help you enjoy the game that you bought.

It's not really a "cheat" IMO as I don't use it to gain an advantage on others since I don't choose to engage randoms in the game. However, this way I get to participate in the CEO business activities, make loads of money, buy new weapons/vehicles/aircraft, etc.  It's still loads of fun without the involvement of randoms ganging up on me.  

The issue for me was the fact that the game allowed me and my friends to participate in other activities like MC missions, related businesses, etc. but essentially all the other activities (e.g. CEO and VP) could only be experienced while in a public session.  The MTU trick allowed me to continue playing all of the activities without the interference of randoms as I had enjoyed in private sessions.   .......still does.  :)

 

 

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I know you are trying to help @Kean_1, but the fact remains you need to glitch or buy shark cards in order to play GTA, especially if you’re coming in late in the game (I think my new character has yet to break double digit levels). But I’m hoping for a whole lot more from RDR2. I don’t want a game where I have to cheat when I want to make money, just so I can go back into the freeroam chaos and spend it all on ammo, vehicles and what not for the never ending battle... There is potential for so much more, but at the end of the day, I suppose the market will dictate (I personally think, without any proof of any kind, that the greater market is looking for something more as well, especially the generally more mature RDR2 audience)

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15 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

I know you are trying to help @Kean_1, but the fact remains you need to glitch or buy shark cards in order to play GTA, especially if you’re coming in late in the game (I think my new character has yet to break double digit levels). But I’m hoping for a whole lot more from RDR2. I don’t want a game where I have to cheat when I want to make money, just so I can go back into the freeroam chaos and spend it all on ammo, vehicles and what not for the never ending battle... There is potential for so much more, but at the end of the day, I suppose the market will dictate (I personally think, without any proof of any kind, that the greater market is looking for something more as well, especially the generally more mature RDR2 audience)

That's my point.  You don't have to go back into public sessions unless you want to.  I've been in public sessions maybe a handful of times but even then it was simply to initiate heists.  There is absolutely no benefit for me in that free for all mode as I simply don't enjoy engaging or interacting with randoms.   I don't enjoy the "battle"-like, chaotic atmosphere so I simply don't do it. 

......that's my point.  You don't have to.  Call it a cheat, exploit, glitch or whatever but it simply tricks the system into forcing you into what is essentially a private session.  Everything else works the same including enemy NPCs who try to stop your progress, etc.  

Experience or level brackets also mean nothing when you are in your own session or one with your friends as you can play at your own pace.  I have also never spent a dime on Shark Cards.  

....but again, I enjoy doing those business missions mostly on my own and on rare occasions with friends.  .....never with randoms.

RDO was different from the onset.  Even without the anti-griefing measure they implemented it was never going to be the same as GTAO simply due to significant differences between the two like transportation, weaponry, etc.  The proximity mechanics and other changes made even a bigger difference in the gameplay and for the better IMO.  

I like the direction RDO is going and with the MTU settings, GTAO still provides enough entertainment for me to revisit every now and again.  It gave GTAO replay value for me where it would have had none.  .....I would have uninstalled it long ago in other words.    

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But that is also my point... I don’t feel like I should have to trick the system and isolate myself in order to enjoy a game. If the game works, you should have some reasonable opposition from other players (without being completely crippled by dickheads). I don’t know how this can be made to work, but I think Rockstar is trying to find the way.

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5 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

Yeah, I’m well aware of the glitch.... but maybe I’m old fashioned, but I feel a game is broken if I need to cheat just to play, and this feels like cheating to me. I likely will just to make a few bucks here and there, but as far as I’m concerned GTA is broken beyond repair and will be something I only visit every once in a while because I just like GTA... I have higher hopes for RDR2 still

I guess I do feel the game is broken--so I have no issue glitching to stay in solo/passive lobbies.

 

5 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

To be fair, we are barely out of beta... this is a brand new game still... most of the quitters left before the official release even happened and are not giving the game a chance to grow to its potential. I personally am still hopeful for a refreshing new game when it is all fleshed out.

I can't say I blame anyone that left the game with the condition it's in. The people that I know didn't sign on to be griefed and bullied while the game gets itself together, especially with the number of other titles out here that are newer but still more fleshed out than RDO. 

 

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Whats an MTU?

I havent heard of this before, please explain what it is and why adjusting it puts you in a limited or private server please?

 

Posted
14 minutes ago, lumper said:

Whats an MTU?

I havent heard of this before, please explain what it is and why adjusting it puts you in a limited or private server please?

 

A MTU or Maximum transmission unit is the largest size packet that can be sent on the network such as the Internet. This determines the largest IP packet that your equipment will send. Generally the default is 1500. Making this too small will increase overhead on your system requiring more reply acknowledgements. Making this too big will create disconnects and other issues. Many devices will not accept packets over 1500. 

How this puts you into a private server? I am not sure.  

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3 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said:

A MTU or Maximum transmission unit is the largest size packet that can be sent on the network such as the Internet. This determines the largest IP packet that your equipment will send. Generally the default is 1500. Making this too small will increase overhead on your system requiring more reply acknowledgements. Making this too big will create disconnects and other issues. Many devices will not accept packets over 1500. 

How this puts you into a private server? I am not sure.  

Thanks for that.

My feeling is if you have to go into network settings to try and manipulate the game that isnt for me.

I mean I Want to avoid griefers but I already do that for the most part just by fast travelling to the other side of the map, when I do run into people it isnt that bad and honestly when you never run into anyone it does get kind of boring, even running into passive players who dont bother you can be fun at times.

That seems a little extreme to me.

 

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Posted
21 hours ago, lumper said:

Thanks for that.

My feeling is if you have to go into network settings to try and manipulate the game that isnt for me.

I mean I Want to avoid griefers but I already do that for the most part just by fast travelling to the other side of the map, when I do run into people it isnt that bad and honestly when you never run into anyone it does get kind of boring, even running into passive players who dont bother you can be fun at times.

That seems a little extreme to me.

The MTU setting doesn't have the same effect in RDO as it does in GTAO Lumper.  In fact, if you try to change it by any significant amount in RDO, the game won't load.   ....believe me, I tried when RDO was first released.  ;)

When I mentioned the MTU trick it was regarding GTAO exclusively.  .....where encounters with randoms are very fast and chaotic.  Also, it's only manipulating the game in that it helps force you into sessions by yourself or just a few others who (surprisingly enough) are typically quite friendly as they are usually trying to do the same.  

The alternative is that I would have uninstalled the game long ago if I hadn't.  Personally, I have zero problem with it because 1) I'm not using it as an exploit to gain an advantage over other players  2) It has given me what is essentially infinite replayability of a game that would have otherwise been limited.  

I still play GTAO and have since it's release on PS3.  I was just providing a way for others to potentially still enjoy the game too.

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Ahh I see.

Ya know, I saw an E3 sale and GTAV is on sale, base game 15$ and the super delux version that comes with all sorts of things and 8,000,000.00 in gta bucks to spend for $40 but with all I have seen online and heard, I decided I woudl just wait for GTA VI.

IT looks like a nightmare to me lol.

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1 hour ago, lumper said:

Ahh I see.

Ya know, I saw an E3 sale and GTAV is on sale, base game 15$ and the super delux version that comes with all sorts of things and 8,000,000.00 in gta bucks to spend for $40 but with all I have seen online and heard, I decided I woudl just wait for GTA VI.

IT looks like a nightmare to me lol.

GTA O is a complete mess.        Its still worth playing single player tho.  

But GTA O is basically a mix of great ideas being hampered down or ruined by bad ideas.  I could make a list that would make peoples eyes bleed.

For example..

 

That looks awesome right?     But what that video doesn't show is a cluster **** of Fighter Jet trolls carpet bombing the crap out of everyone.

 

Nowadays..  People can call up flying hover bikes with the best lock on homming rockets in the game.  Game has always on blips.  Theres no escaping anyone.

But GTA O has private lobbies..  So it can still be fun.  Just that public lobbies are a sh*t hole.

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But you can’t really do anything useful in a  private lobby. You have to go to the public lobby (unless you cheat/trick the game to glitch a solo ‘public’ lobby). People aren’t making their private death match servers to play PvP the way they like with their buddies. They just hangout in public lobbies with their oppressors and annoy anyone that happens along. The choices you hold so dear and claim will solve all our problems do not work. And I for one am kind of glad Rockstar is at least trying something different before turning RDR Online into GTA Online.

Posted
3 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

But you can’t really do anything useful in a  private lobby. 

Im not sure what that means?  Whats useful?
 

Games are meant to be played for fun.  Sure some of  the business missions are blocked off in private.  But that makes up a small percent of GTA Os content.

I was mostly part of a racing crew and a pvp crew in my 5 years of playing GTA O.  Made most of my cash in private lobbies.   So I didn't really care either way about most of R* business missions.  

Also.. I made all my movies in Private Sessions.  I liked to get super baked and make stupid movies..  Like this.

 

No way in hell I could this in public lobbies...  Since its a mix of footage from Story mode,  Online Private Lobbies and Online Private Capture Created Lobbies.

 

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Sure, you can race and the likes. Or cycle through the missions if that’s what you want to do. Private lobbies are nice for just hanging out, making videos or what not, if that’s your thing. But personally, I was excited to jump in and start up a biker crew and the likes. For me, splitting up the lobbies did absolutely nothing except give me the option of not being able to enjoy the content I want to play, or hanging out in a public toilet full of human turds...

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7 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

But personally, I was excited to jump in and start up a biker crew and the likes. For me, splitting up the lobbies did absolutely nothing except give me the option of not being able to enjoy the content I want to play, or hanging out in a public toilet full of human turds...

I feel your pain.   R* should have made specific lobbies for Bikers Crews.  Which locked out military vehicles/weapons..  Also the always on blips is what the real problem was in public lobbies.   Theres no reason to why randoms should see everyones blips at all times.

Coupled with the next gen version adding quick menu ammo purchases means players can have an unlimted amount of explosives.   Sticky bombs should have also been nerfed.  And of course R* biggest botch, Free Aim Assisted aim.   The amount of DUMB in some choices in game design is mind blowing.


They get so much right and make such and amazing looking/feeling world.  Then screw up the most simplest things that screw up game play..   Which they seem to be also doing in RD O.

 

 

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Well, for me, I woudl be starting from scratch, ive never played it at all or any GTa game  so I woudl think I would play the game then merge to the online and try to do what I did here and grind my way to a high level or status etc.. but from all the videos I see about trolls and people bored messing with anyone trying to complete missions it just seems like an invitation to get stressed out over a game.

I am thinking when gta 6 comes out maybe Ill jump in then, I am hoping they wait for the next gen consoles in Xmas 2020 so it will be a fresh new start all around.

I was very tempted as the price is right, $15 to get the game and $40 to get it with all the perks and $8,000,000.00 seems really good to me, it was normally $159.00 marked 75% off for $39.99

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7 minutes ago, lumper said:

Well, for me, I woudl be starting from scratch, ive never played it at all or any GTa game  so I woudl think I would play the game then merge to the online and try to do what I did here and grind my way to a high level or status etc.. but from all the videos I see about trolls and people bored messing with anyone trying to complete missions it just seems like an invitation to get stressed out over a game.

Ya..  starting from scratch would be stressful if you wanted to progress and earn money in public sessions.

Honestly..  R* probably wants you stressed out just so you by CASH CARDS,

But if you played to just screw around and experience the game.  Its not that stressful. 

I mean you could just run around flat broke, rob stores and give all your money to strippers and hookers..   Theres plenty of stuff to do if you ignore the grind.

 

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7 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

Ya..  starting from scratch would be stressful if you wanted to progress and earn money in public sessions.

Honestly..  R* probably wants you stressed out just so you by CASH CARDS,

But if you played to just screw around and experience the game.  Its not that stressful. 

I mean you could just run around flat broke, rob stores and give all your money to strippers and hookers..   Theres plenty of stuff to do if you ignore the grind.

 

LOL, Ill wait for GTA 6 to come out, start fresh with everyone else.

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Yeah, I was given the online version as a gift From a buddy that wanted get back into online after I got the PS4 to play RDR2... it was about $30 Canadian at the time. It helps to have a few things off the hop, but honestly it’s not enough of a bonus to make a huge impact. You’ll blow through your $8 million in a blink and still not be able to run your businesses.

Posted
1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

They get so much right and make such and amazing looking/feeling world.  Then screw up the most simplest things that screw up game play..   Which they seem to be also doing in RD O.

 

 

I’m not sure they’re screwing up RDR2... yet. I think with this game the main focus will shape up to be more free-roam oriented. As more content comes out, like the paths this summer, or other things like properties and businesses perhaps start showing up, I’m sure it’ll be built right into the free roam world some how.

GTA has always been built more on open world chaos between isolated activity and hidden corners like apartments or garages.  Which isn’t really bad in itself. But they spent years making free roam as ridiculous as possible with orbital death rays and futuristic flying death cycles that the things they tried to integrate into free roam just don’t work.

Honestly, GTA would be just fine if they didn’t push so much ridiculous weaponry and vehicles into it. I don’t mind people chasing me down with a car and uzi (or even a sticky bomb) while I’m doing a biker mission... 

At the end of the day, I think Rockstar forcing everyone into the same free roam the majority of the time will result in things staying more ‘realistic’ (or at least balanced) with the upcoming content that you want to play being possible without being completely isolated or made invincible. Though if they add flying unicorns that poop homing dynamite onto your enemies I’ll throw in the towel and wait for RDR3.

Posted
1 hour ago, The_Liquor said:

Sure, you can race and the likes. Or cycle through the missions if that’s what you want to do. Private lobbies are nice for just hanging out, making videos or what not, if that’s your thing. But personally, I was excited to jump in and start up a biker crew and the likes. For me, splitting up the lobbies did absolutely nothing except give me the option of not being able to enjoy the content I want to play, or hanging out in a public toilet full of human turds...

You can still build a biker business in private sessions but most of the missions require at least one other player so you'll need a friend(s).  You can also do the related businesses, resupply missions, etc. (from what I remember) in the same mode. 

However, essentially all of the VP and CEO stuff is locked out which actually makes up a majority of the content in GTAO which also happens to be the most profitable in the game.  .....e.g. Import/Export, Gunrunning, Smuggling, Nightclub and other CEO / VP available missions.  .....not to mention the bunker, hanger, garage, HQ, etc. that you need to run these businesses.  That is all basically locked behind public sessions which is why I use the MTU setting to allow me to still play all of that content by myself or sometimes, with a friend.  Wish I didn't have to but there it is.

Personally, I wasted millions on businesses that I should have spent on other more beneficial ones.  If I would have watched some of the YT videos others told me about, I would have got much further much sooner.  ....but I still had a ton of fun playing a lot of the missions (many of which you can do solo).

One reason I had reservations about private sessions in RDO is a fear of repeating the GTAO model where most content would be locked behind Public / Free Roam sessions.  .....and then Free Roam being a free for all crapfest just like GTAO without an option for those of us trying to escape unabated griefing to participate in a good portion of the content.  That is one reason why I (personally) am glad R* took the route they did with Free Roam.  I won't mind separate lobbies as long as they don't lock out content like that.  .....obviously some things simply won't make sense in solo / invite-only sessions which is understandable.

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Yeah, you may be right about the biker missions. However, being an adult with children and a night shift job, most of my peers that actually play video games play at times other than when I manage to get online... so I haven’t tested it.

But my points still stand. If they keep everyone together then there is more incentive to (at least make a solid effort) keep the game balanced and playable. I too think it’ll become like GTA if they start modelling  the game after what they did with GTA.

Posted
3 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

However, essentially all of the VP and CEO stuff is locked out which actually makes up a majority of the content in GTAO which also happens to be the most profitable in the game.  

 The majority of the content is mostly co-op missions, races, captures, pvp modes and adversary modes.  Especially user created content.

For me.. I have a lvl two high level characters.  Most of my money and levels where gained out of free roam.

Guess it all depends what you want out of the game.  Either playing CEO stuff like Stealing and selling cars or running a night club  or playing other game modes outside of free roam.

I did a mix of everything. But the bulk of my money came from out of free roam.  Free roam is where I always lost money.   Because insurance frees and ammo/explosives cost a lot.

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

I did a mix of everything. But the bulk of my money came from out of free roam.  Free roam is where I always lost money.   Because insurance frees and ammo/explosives cost a lot.

Ditto,

LOL I would go through 100k of ammo and explosives an evening in free roam.  The Doomsday Heists was my favorite.  Could be done with 2 people in private lobbies after set up missions.  I would make 2 mill in evening doing those.

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5 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

Yeah, you may be right about the biker missions. However, being an adult with children and a night shift job, most of my peers that actually play video games play at times other than when I manage to get online... so I haven’t tested it.

But my points still stand. If they keep everyone together then there is more incentive to (at least make a solid effort) keep the game balanced and playable. I too think it’ll become like GTA if they start modelling  the game after what they did with GTA.

No doubt.  That was my fear of what separate lobbies might be if they were ever introduced in RDO.  Quite honestly though, I just don't expect that is the route R* wants to take with this game.

 

2 hours ago, HuDawg said:

 The majority of the content is mostly co-op missions, races, captures, pvp modes and adversary modes.  Especially user created content.

For me.. I have a lvl two high level characters.  Most of my money and levels where gained out of free roam.

Guess it all depends what you want out of the game.  Either playing CEO stuff like Stealing and selling cars or running a night club  or playing other game modes outside of free roam.

I did a mix of everything. But the bulk of my money came from out of free roam.  Free roam is where I always lost money.   Because insurance frees and ammo/explosives cost a lot.

Yeah, I was speaking mainly to businesses and related activities.  Obviously heists, races and such are outside of private and public sessions (their own deal).   I like the heists but not the races or any of the PvP modes.  

 

1 hour ago, Ragee503 said:

Ditto,

LOL I would go through 100k of ammo and explosives an evening in free roam.  The Doomsday Heists was my favorite.  Could be done with 2 people in private lobbies after set up missions.  I would make 2 mill in evening doing those.

We should do a few heists and such in GTAO one of these days.  I haven't had a chance ot most of that content since I really never had friends who were interested in GTAO.

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Posted (edited)
On 6/8/2019 at 6:55 PM, Moosh89 said:

If I'm in Defensive mode and a player in Offensive mode comes up to me and keeps their reticule on me for over 2 seconds, I can look back at them and press Square if I'm feeling threatened to tag them as a hostile player.

Or maybe make it automatic hostility after 2 seconds, they could shoot you during the the time of you having to hold down L2, then hold down the button for feeling threatened spin counter is done. And then they could be all "I'm offended you did that, i was never going to shoot you, now I have the right to attack you!" BS argument. 

As some have stated, aiming at someone, you should automatically be considered hostile. But they don't put into consideration accidental snap aiming and that shouldn't make you as a marked hostile. 

But, if someone is going to run around randomly pointing guns at people baiting them to taking shots first, then they should be held accountable for their actions with an automatic hostility after 2 seconds targeting someone.

And also make it so they can't try to trick the system where they tap the button over and over again in less than a one second interval so they don't get marked. Once the first aim, a timer starts so if there's more aiming they get marked hostile.

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