Ethical standards

[Evpatij000]

Today I was doing daily challenge near Elisian Pool. When I was going to do challlenge (I was in defensive mode),

the lady came slowly to me from behind  and shot me in the back of the head ...   Then she immediately disappeared.

Should we have any ethical norms? Rockstar can fix killing from the cover in challenges. So they can fix bad behavior  and punish for it.

We should be humans even in games...

[Netnow66]

Rockstar encourages bad behavior by allowing behavior such as this (my opinion).

If you play in unglitched free roam, you're putting your life in the hands of every griefer out there. 

Expecting ethical behavior from Rockstar is...well, I don't expect them to do anything because it's ethical. That's not their motivation in my opinion.

[NF85]

Bully, all red dead games and all gta games have one thing in common: **** the rules and the civilized world.

The fact that every single GTA and RR game is made from a criminal/dishonest/lawbreaking point and glorifies all kinds of criminal act and behaviors should tell you that ethical norms is not something R* will offer any toughts on other then we dont give a damn.Yes you can get some feel-good vibes and do honest deeds from the SP in rdr2 but it realy dont matter cuz every single one of them are at the core, criminals!

Apparently is is way easier to make games about breaking rules then upholding the rules.

The only place you will find "law and order" in these games are in the player driven RP servers on pc.

[Saffron]

Dont play them then.its that simple 

[Born Homicidal]

As someone stated Rockstar wants games to be like this.. look at the idiotic implementation of explosive rounds and arrows lmao. Auto aim, and lack of private lobbies.

Hell they even encourage it by giving people bulk loads of explosive ammo.

They don't even have the decency to tell us what ideas from the community they decided they were going to work on for future updates. Let's face it this game isn't meant to be immersive like RDR1, instead it's to cater to anyone who's trying to GTA in a Midwest theme.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Born Homicidal

[Netnow66]

1 hour ago, Saffron said:

Dont play them then.its that simple 

If Rockstar had given me a refund as I requested, I wouldn't be playing. As is, I play in solo/passive free roam lobbies.

[Kean_1]

 

3 hours ago, Evpatij000 said:

Today I was doing daily challenge near Elisian Pool. When I was going to do challlenge (I was in defensive mode),

the lady came slowly to me from behind  and shot me in the back of the head ...   Then she immediately disappeared.

First, I would never allow a random to approach me in Free Roam.  Doesn't matter what I am doing.  If I'm trying to avoid contact with randoms I will leave and use Defensive Mode (DM) to my advantage.

Second, DM isn't a passive mode and was never intended to be used as such.  It's simply provides players a bit of an advantage to help evade and/or retaliate against aggressors.  Using it like you're immune to attacks or assuming others are going to treat you with respect is only going to lead to disappointment and frustration.  

 

3 hours ago, Evpatij000 said:

Should we have any ethical norms? Rockstar can fix killing from the cover in challenges. So they can fix bad behavior  and punish for it.

We should be humans even in games...

Ethical norms?  RDO is a one-mode, PvEvP experience.  That's not changing anytime soon and (for now) it doesn't appear they will be introducing any sort of PvE only option.  As such, the risk of being killed by randoms will likely always exist in this game on some level.  I agree with @Saffron in the sense that if you don't agree with a game maker or a titles "ethical standards", simply don't purchase or play the product.  Find one that supports the standards you prefer to play by. 

......but, you can also look at it another way and see where R* is heading with this title.  Sure, they are really pushing for an all inclusive, one-mode experience with Free Roam, but they have also been taking an interesting tack with RDO that you don't see with GTAO.  They have listened to the community and (for example) are introducing ways to help mitigate griefing and IMO, it has helped.  .....as long as you still do your part.  

In the Summer Update, we can look forward to new roles that will also include ways for people to bounty hunt which apparently includes going after aggressive players.  DM is also supposed to receive a buff to make it harder for griefers to kill you.  

RDO is an evolving game and the experience will change as new features are introduced (including those that mitigate griefing).  However, for those looking for an absolutely sterile, no risk experience when it comes to interactions with others, R* has made it clear that is not their goal in Free Roam.  ....and they have no interest in introducing private or invite-only sessions at this time. 

Either way, R* has made a lot of progress on mitigating the griefing issue IMO / IME but a lot still depends on the individual.  You have to make an effort if your goal is to avoid trolling by randoms.  Simple things like spawning into the game world in one region and immediately relocating 2-3 states away (since spawns usually put you in an area clumped together with others).   .....or taking precautions when riding into town, etc.  Simply playing with others can help a lot in this sense (covering each others back).

Personally, (unlike GTAO) I'm happy with the direction R* is taking RDO including their handling of unprovoked attacks by other players in relation to gameplay balance.  There is much more to come and the game will certainly evolve as new features are introduced and players have new tasks, roles, businesses, etc. to keep them busy. 

Some will never like RDO or R*'s vision and that's fine.  I don't like some games or developers either but then again, I tend to avoid them.  

btw, if you don't know already, you can provide your feedback directly to R* via their website.  Several of the changes they have made so far have been a direct result of this input so I would encourage anyone dissatisfied with an element in the game, offering a suggestion, approval, etc. should submit their feedback via this link.  Make your voice heard:

https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadonline/feedback?step=decd9bdb

 

[Zui]

I see anyone directly approaching me I just abruptly shoot them in the head, unless I’m able to see they don’t have a weapon out.  If I’m on a mission I’m even less tolerant.  Speaking of missions they’ve had a problem loading after accepting them yesterday and today.

Edited August 15, 2019 by Zui

[Saffron]

I didnt mean to sound rude and ethics in this world are most important part of life for me.and i do agree with this post but if you look deeper all around at this world nearly all the world higher institutes left ethics at the back so long ago most the world dont even know.blaminf rockstar for these games wont help and to be honest it really depends how you look at it.on one hand yes it encourages behaviourlike this but on the other hand it shines light to many people playing what its really like in modern times such as gtav.and what it was like in the past such as rdr2 and what rdr2 will become.when my eldest boys watch me i use the game to teach them to actually not do these things and it sinks in alot better as its visual.my eldest knows to a certain level how rough life was in cowboy days and how naughty todays day is.thanks rockstar.but there are two sides of the coin.and the ethical argument in life goes alot higher than game makers.i do get the argument but these games are hardcore reality and i hope rockstar keep it that way and dont panda to the moaning along the way.personally i just say dig in with the game and perserver as you will grow to love it.dont take griefing against you so serious.its there mental issue that they enjoy it not yours.many bullys here just like real world.enjoy the game stop bitching and ride.

[HuDawg]

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 8:03 AM, Evpatij000 said:

 So they can fix bad behavior  and punish for it.

No they can't...     Anything they add to punish what you consider to be bad behavior will be used against players just trying to defend themselves.

They can only prevent it, with private lobbies and removing close range blips.  

 

On ‎8‎/‎15‎/‎2019 at 8:03 AM, Evpatij000 said:

the lady came slowly to me from behind  and shot me in the back of the head ...   Then she immediately disappeared.

When people shoot me in the back and leave the game.. I go to recent players and just join them instantly and shoot them right back.. Sometimes as much as I can.> Even joining other games if they leave.  I become their new best stalker friend.

 

Edited August 16, 2019 by HuDawg