Call of Duty Cold War

[Vendetta]

Who's excited for Call of Duty Cold War? 

I plan on getting it on the PlayStation 5 once I purchase the digital edition of the console!. 

[Kean_1]

Meh....   Played it last night and reminded me of why I stopped playing CoD.  I don't like the reintroduction of classes and less focus on the gunsmith.  They also didn't have a hardcore mode we could find in the demo so that just made it worse for us.

I liked what they did in MW and it seems to me like Cold War is reverting back to the old CoD flavor.  I hope IW stays the course with what they started in MW.

 

[Parzival]

53 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

less focus on the gunsmith.

In all fairness, the level of firearms modularity we enjoy today didn't start to become a thing until the GWOT spurred it in the early and mid-2000s. Up until then, a scope of some kind on the carry handle, a flashlight taped to the handguard, and a suppressor on your muzzle was pretty much the extent of "tacticool."

 

Edited September 20, 2020 by Parzival

[Kean_1]

2 minutes ago, Parzival said:

In all fairness, the level of firearms modularity we enjoy today didn't start to become a thing until the GWOT spurred it in the early and mid-2000s. Up until then, a scope of some kind on the carry handle, a flashlight taped to the handguard, and a suppressor on your muzzle was pretty much the extent of "tacticool."

I know and I get that part of it.  In fact, Cold War take that into account with the "duct tape" additions.  I just like MW's focus on the guns / gunsmith.  CW seems like a step back from that.

btw, here's a video of Larry Vickers showing off a replica of the CAR15 carried back in those days.  You can see the early origins of accessories they manufacture today from some of these "field' modifications and adopted, non-standard components.   

 

 

[Vendetta]

1 hour ago, Kean_1 said:

I know and I get that part of it.  In fact, Cold War take that into account with the "duct tape" additions.  I just like MW's focus on the guns / gunsmith.  CW seems like a step back from that.

btw, here's a video of Larry Vickers showing off a replica of the CAR15 carried back in those days.  You can see the early origins of accessories they manufacture today from some of these "field' modifications and adopted, non-standard components.   

 

 

I don't think the Car-15 had cut outs for the M203. Back during the day's of the Vietnam war, they had dedicated troops who carried 40mm weapons. 

[Parzival]

It's a step back because it kind of has to be. I'm sure you don't want a repeat of Black Ops' sea of anachronisms.

[Kean_1]

1 hour ago, Vendetta said:

I don't think the Car-15 had cut outs for the M203. Back during the day's of the Vietnam war, they had dedicated troops who carried 40mm weapons. 

Are you talking about Larry referring to the M203 in the video?  He was in service starting in the 80s.  Anyhow, I wasn't trying to prove any point by it, just supplementing Parzival's discussion on the topic.

1 hour ago, Parzival said:

It's a step back because it kind of has to be. I'm sure you don't want a repeat of Black Ops' sea of anachronisms.

I don't see it that way but ok.  I just get the whole vibe of pre-MW CoD which I hated in the step back from the gunsmith-centric design, gameplay, reintroduction if Zombies, etc. 

MW was a departure from some of that which got me back into the game after many years.  ....but that's just me.

[Vendetta]

13 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

Are you talking about Larry referring to the M203 in the video?  He was in service starting in the 80s.  Anyhow, I wasn't trying to prove any point by it, just supplementing Parzival's discussion on the topic.

I don't see it that way but ok.  I just get the whole vibe of pre-MW CoD which I hated in the step back from the gunsmith-centric design, gameplay, reintroduction if Zombies, etc. 

MW was a departure from some of that which got me back into the game after many years.  ....but that's just me.

Yes, the barrel has an attachment point. That is an M4 barrel, not a Car 15 barrel. Back then they had the M79. 

[Kean_1]

4 hours ago, Vendetta said:

Yes, the barrel has an attachment point. That is an M4 barrel, not a Car 15 barrel. Back then they had the M79. 

The M203 was in service since at least the early 70s.  I mentioned it earlier but Larry served since the early 80s.  ......20 years in spec ops, 15 of those in Delta (Panama, Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.).  He knows what he's talking about.  He mentions early on in the video that the barrel shown existed prior to the M4 but was later known as the M4 barrel.  Just remember that the only reason I even linked that video was a supplement to the discussion about the modifications some of these soldiers were making especially in spec ops where they had way more leeway on such things. 

CoD Cold War covers the 80s with flashbacks to Vietnam and so on but it seems more focused on that period in the 80s in the maps, weapons, accs, etc.  

Here's another example of a CAR15 with an M203 attached:.  A different muzzle on this one compared to Larry's example:

 

SORRY....  Don't know what's going on with not being able to copy and paste images sometimes after the update.

[Vendetta]

They are saying if you buy the game on PS4, you can pay a small fee for the next gen features and upgrade to PS5. I might just wait until I get my PlayStation 5 Digital then buy the game. 

[Kean_1]

Another open beta is coming up btw.  I think I'll pass on this one myself.....

[Vendetta]

2 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

Another open beta is coming up btw.  I think I'll pass on this one myself.....

That's good to know. I pre-ordered the bundle that allows you to own the game on PlayStation 4 and upgrade to the PlayStation 5 game at no additional cost. Can't wait for the release date!. 

[Parzival]

On 9/20/2020 at 3:30 PM, Kean_1 said:

The M203 was in service since at least the early 70s.  I mentioned it earlier but Larry served since the early 80s.  ......20 years in spec ops, 15 of those in Delta (Panama, Desert Storm, Somalia, Bosnia, etc.).  He knows what he's talking about.  He mentions early on in the video that the barrel shown existed prior to the M4 but was later known as the M4 barrel.  Just remember that the only reason I even linked that video was a supplement to the discussion about the modifications some of these soldiers were making especially in spec ops where they had way more leeway on such things. 

CoD Cold War covers the 80s with flashbacks to Vietnam and so on but it seems more focused on that period in the 80s in the maps, weapons, accs, etc.  

Here's another example of a CAR15 with an M203 attached:.  A different muzzle on this one compared to Larry's example:

 

SORRY....  Don't know what's going on with not being able to copy and paste images sometimes after the update.

M203 was adopted officially in 1969, though I'm not quite sure how fast it was distributed. After all, the M110A2 CSASS was officially adopted in 2018, but nobody got any until a couple months ago. 😆 But before that they did have the XM148.

I don't have any exact dates, but IIRC the M4 profile barrel first appeared during development of the XM4 and was retrofitted to Model 723 carbines used by Delta, though it wasn't widespread. I had a book, the name of which escapes me, that covered development of the AR-15 and M16 from its inception up to around 2003, where all of this was chronicled. Larry Vickers released a book about AR-15 development a few years back, but with a $99+ price tag, it's a bit out of my buying comfort zone for books.

As for the CAR-15 image that isn't appearing in Keane's post, I'm assuming it's showing an XM177 with the modified flash hider that featured a downstep similar to the M4 barrel?

[Kean_1]

15 hours ago, Parzival said:

M203 was adopted officially in 1969, though I'm not quite sure how fast it was distributed. After all, the M110A2 CSASS was officially adopted in 2018, but nobody got any until a couple months ago. 😆 But before that they did have the XM148.

IIRC the M4 profile barrel first appeared during development of the XM4 and was retrofitted to Model 723 carbines used by Delta, though it wasn't widespread. I had a book, the name of which escapes me, that covered development of the AR-15 and M16 from its inception up to around 2003, where all of this was chronicled. Larry Vickers released a book about AR-15 development a few years back, but with a $99+ price tag, it's a bit out of my buying comfort zone for books.

As for the CAR-15 image that isn't appearing in Keane's post, I'm assuming it's showing an XM177 with the modified flash hider that featured a downstep similar to the M4 barrel?

This is the picture I was trying to link to and yes, it was an XM177(E).  You can see the stamping in the second pic of the rifle below the Colt AR-15 marking.  .....and of course the M203 stamp on the launcher (this is one is made by Colt):

 

Seems the first M203s went to Vietnam in early 1970 for field testing and then were put into service in large numbers after that evaluation was completed but apparently manufactured by Colt rather than AAI at that point.

Ian McCollum (Forgotten Weapons) did an overview on the M203 as well as Vickers retro build of his CAR15.  He also did a review on Vickers AR15 book.  

Here's the article where I got those pics:

http://www.modernforces.com/weapon_xm177.htm

 

[Parzival]

Yeah, AAI didn't have the production capacity to make M203s at the rate the military needed them and subcontracted Colt for it.

I'm still kind of backlogged on Forgotten Weapons. I'm a bit of a late subscriber, I suppose. 😅

[Kean_1]

Yeah, I don't watch all of Ian's stuff on FW but I find most of it really interesting especially when he's able to take one out on the range that follows his review.  ....which is why I try to watch them in order if I can.  

Quirky / nerdy guy but he really knows his stuff.  I guess he's collaborated with Vikers on other books like the one on AK47s if I remember correctly.

I think some gaming companies should be hitting up experts like this rather than some of the "advisors" if they really want "authenticity" in their shooters, etc.  Not all military advisors have the intricate knowledge historians, other vets and even civilians that take much more of an interest in military weapons, etc.  

[Parzival]

Okay, they should totally include this as a mod option in the game's gunsmith.

XM16E1 (judging by the flash hider) modified with an M84 scope from an M1 Garand sniper rifle by a MACV-SOG operator. An M84 scope was used on at least one M14, too.

Edited November 2, 2020 by Parzival

[Enoch]

I’m not buying Black Ops for the same reason Kean isn’t. It’s returning to that old CoD formula that bored me so much that I stopped buying CoD games after the original BLOPS. I may still rent it for the campaign, but that’s it.