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So I mainly have my camp set up in Great Plains. Easy access to a cougar spawn and to BlackWater. But it's still aways out from town. So I'm sitting by my fire and I see the shadow of someone walking by. No biggie, I've had players wander into my camp before. About a minute later I get up and turn around and there's a NPC woman in my camp. I look around and see no other NPC's, it's just her. Nor do I see a horse or wagon that she may have ridden on. It's just her on foot. What really got my attention though, was when she walked up to my beer case and started taking beers out and drinking them. She had I think 3 of them them wandered out of camp. Didn't say Hi, didn't ask, didn't pay. Just drank and left. So I shot her.

Also, shoot gators til you can get a fish pole, then get any lure, they all work in any body of water. Fish for bass, trout, salmon as you can hold 10 of each and they sell for $2 to $2.50 and you can very quickly make several hundred bucks. From there, going to areas plentiful with deer, boars, turkey etc.. BUT spawn into the opposite side of the game and ride over there or fast travel if you have the $$ so you wont be bothered by players while you hunt. just keep that up. It is easy to get away from players and as long as you have ammo and a fish pole making money is fast and easy. I forgot to mention as soon as you can get a lancaster and shotgun, finish all the land of opportunity missions, the first time you do them you get paid well, after that it isnt as much but still pretty good. You will learn that stretching missions out to the end will often pay you more so try to finish the objective on a stranger mission but then go hunt until the timer is near the end. I just saw a video that suggested the highest pay isnt at the final 30 seconds but rather take the time alotted and divide it by 2 and then subtract 10 seconds, and this supposedly is the optimal payout for xp anyway, I dont know how true it is, I only started experimenting with this yesterday, but it is worth a try. So if the time says 12:20 then split that to 6 mins 10 seconds, drop the 10 seconds and you have 6 minutes, finish the mission at exactly 6 minutes for optimal payout. We will see, in the past it was the last 30 seconds tended to pay out the most, I have gotten 250 xp one time and 780 xp another time on the same missions just by extending the time. But anyway story missions are pretty good and you can replay them as many times as you want. SO add that to your day and you should do well, hunting, fishing, running story missions over and over and stranger missions, plus encounters. Loot every body and you will find some treasure maps too. I like to take on a hunting missions, then get the wolf or bear, then continue to hunt until the timer runs nearly out then bring the pelt to the missions giver so you get the xp and $$ from pelts that you hunted while on the missions plus the missions payout as well.

C’mon Rockstar... I know you’ve watched Deadwood. Might as well be thorough :)

A lot of us were never looking to turn RDO into a Hello Kitty Island Adventure. .....but it gets interpreted that way by some. Personally, I like the direction R* is going so I really have no complaints nor hardly any problems with griefers but then again, it has a lot to do with the way I play the game.

I don't know... I think it would be a sad day if all of the griefers went away or just stopped griefing all together. Not saying it's going to happen. But just hypothetically, I think it would make for a sad Red Dead World to not have at least some chronically bad hombres running around keeping things interesting. The other day, I really got my butt handed to me by a guy that was clearly a veteran griefer. He killed me at least 5 times before we went our separate ways. (I think he got bored killing me over and over lol) I usually hold my own relatively well. But he was better and caught me at a time when I was not really at my best. Which is fine. I didn't parley, or press charges, or run. I just kept getting punished. eheh. Point being, I was a little mad, a lot frustrated and more than a little embarrassed. But in hindsight, I learned a trick or two from it and it certainly made my night a lot more interesting. If I had to make a choice, I would not trade the other night for a completely care bear world. What can I say, I thrive on conflict.

Im glad someone finally posted this. This happened to me in Braithaite manor a few times, I was pitched in an apple orchard, and some woman was in my camp, ok no big deal, BUT she was blocking my access to the beer, that is a crime, I mean cmon, help yourself but F:n move after. Well she wouldnt move so I lassoed her, tied her up and threw her over the fence, back to her side of the fields, well this started all kinds of trouble so I shot her, then her husband or some dude came over to "witness" and well homey dont play that, so I shot him too, This went on one night for quite a while. It has only happened twice and both times at that location only, but I never mentioned it as I never heard anyone else talk about it.

Meh we all have ideas, some better than others. I think if they offered up a bounty on griefers, and the more charges against a griefer the bigger the bounty and the more notorious you are if you are the one who brings him in, then the law can levy charges, and if deemed guilty can be fined, inprisoned or hanged, and in all cases he woudl be fined a % of his over all cash and gold, like 5% for first offense, 10% for a second and 25% for a third. This way you reward those who stop him, you deter griefing by making it expensive, and you open up a new part of the game, courts, prisons, and hangings.

It should give a message on screen saying that a warning shot was fired. That’s how you know it worked.

Yes, it does. That screen where you see what time of day it is also shows the temperature. I've always ignored it - every day and everywhere is short sleeves weather. Arthur/John just eats more when he's cold - I never really bothered with different hot/cold outfits.

In a Blazing Saddles stylee?😎

I think the reaction to the initial post was because what the OP was saying was inherently contradictory. It seemed to start off as a suggestion to reduce griefing (only allow 1 kill per 30 minutes), but then suggested that when you kill another payer you should be able to loot their body, which by any reckoning must be a massive encouragement/incentive to 'griefing'. In fact, by the time you are letting players loot their victims, there is no such thing as griefing because killing people for a reward (rather than to be a PITA) probably doesn't fit into any sensible definition of griefing anyway. (I know there is already the xp 'reward' for killing another player, and lots of peolple have different opinions on the definition of griefing, but I think the point stands). I'm sure that different people could make perfectly good arguments for either of those things to be implemented as game features, but they don't logically sit together very well.

Here is my guide for making money quickly without cheating. I'm not saying this is the "best" way, this is just how I do it. There may be better ways. You should try different suggestions to see how much you can make and more importantly how much fun you have doing it. Do what you enjoy doing, it shouldn't be a grind. Also, you'll need some basic equipment to so definitely do story and stranger missions and whatever else to gain levels and unlock the basic items. Some things you can get for free if you're on PS4 If you have gold, you can unlock other things even if you haven't reached the required level. I would say buy the promotion of 25 gold bars for $4.99 is you can. Even if you're opposed to microtransactions, it's worth it just to get your basic setup for the price of a cup of coffee. You'll need a bolt action rifle with a short scope, a varmint rifle, and a fishing rod. A shotgun is also useful for self defense. Try not to spend all your money on clothes or gold plating your guns yet)) So for money, this is what I would do: If you've not already done so, first go to Valentine and hit the stable. Get the free Andalusian (PS4 only) and free upgraded saddle and saddlebags that can hold more stuff (the cheesy looking ones with a skull, PS4 only). Next go to the doctor and sell all your herbs except ginseng which imo is the most useful and hard to find. Then go to the butcher and sell all your meat and pelts. Finally go to the general store and buy four cans of worms (20 total). Don't get the fishing lure at this point because if you catch something big your line will probably break anyway and you'll have nothing. I wouldn't get a bow early on either. Anyway, now you're empty and ready to go. Go to Strawberry and make a trip up to Big Valley towards towards Little Creek River. On the way there, use your varmint rifle to shoot anything that moves, rabbits, squirrels, skunks, birds, anything, they all must die and go into your satchel no matter how insignificant they may seem. Pay no attention to the quality of these varmint pelts. Also, stop and pick every herb you see. Even if it seems like a waste of the time, herbs are like free money sitting on the ground so jump off your horse and grab it. You'll probably get ambushed by the O'Dricsols on the way so be ready for that (fun and xp). Once you get to Big Valley and the creeks, there will be deer and elk everywhere. Use your bolt action rifle to shoot everything with a good or pristine pelt as well as birds or anything else. Also keep picking herbs until you are maxed out or sick of doing it. It won't take long to be maxed out on animal parts and you'll have a bunch of pelts. You can only carry one elk pelt, bear pelt, or big fish. I think the fish will bring in the most (remember you'll already be getting all the meat etc from other big game even if you don't keep the pelts). While you're doing this, you'll probably get invited to take out the O'Driscol's hideout (fun and xp) Listen for bear growls in the hills around they valley and go on foot and try to get a grizzly. There are bighorn rams etc. up there as well (this is probably optional because sometimes it can take a while to get a bear and more likely the bear will get you, but for me it's the most fun). You'll probably get attacked by wolves at some point which will give you a lot of game meat anyway. The goal is to try to get as many pelts as possible and to max out every different type of meat (i.e., venison, big game, mutton, small game, plump birds, stringy meat etc.). And whenever you kill something or pick an herb, jump off your horse and run to it and back because it will improve your stamina and help you rank up. Additionally, you'll gain dead eye experience for everything you kill which helps you rank up too. Once you feel like you've done enough, start heading back to Strawberry by way of Lake Owinjila. Keep killing varmints/birds and picking herbs on the way. At the lake, use the 20 worms to catch 20 fish. You should get at least one big one for the back of your horse and even a load of small fish is surprisingly valuable. You'll also gain strength quickly by fishing which helps you to level up. By the time you get back to Strawberry, you want to have pristine elk or bear pelt or big fish on the back of your horse along with a bunch of pelts, and two pristine smaller animals hanging from the sides. Sell everything to the butcher. The money will be rolling in. Then go back to the doctor in Valentine and sell all your herbs. Less money but it adds up. On weapons, it depends on what you prefer with regard to killing people. I like shotguns so I got the pump action shotgun first, next in order would be the bolt action rifle (good dual use weapon) then varmint rifle (hunting but also deadly if you're good at headshots). Sure, the carbine repeater isn't the best, but imo there's no point in having two repeaters and no shotguns or rifles. a better repeater can wait imo. Same with the cattleman revolver, not the best but it will do for the time being especially if you don't use handguns a lot. Once you get ranked and have extra money, then think about upgrading the carbine or the cattleman revolver or getting a bow. Upgrading the tent is probably the last of the priorities, but it's something many people forget or don't realize the benefits. Hunting alligators is super easy but it's all big game meat so I iirc you'll be maxed out after killing three and can carry one skin, so you end up traipsing through the mud killing frogs and looking for a heron.

I can't speak for others but I didn't imply his intentions were anything else. I also didn't think my response was cold but simply honest. I do think he was being a little cocky as it carried throughout his post (not just the thread title). If pointing that out make some feel I was being rude, then for that, I apologize. It's just that when someone implies that they are here to save the day, you should expect that you might catch a little extra flak if those ideas don't measure up to the hype. btw, I'm one of the most inviting people around when it comes to welcoming new members as I'm always monitoring and responding on the "Introduce Yourself" thread, answering questions, etc. I'm not trying to be rude to the OP and I have nothing against him. I simply think his anti-griefing idea is severely flawed. oh, and welcome to the forums @armaggeddon.

This would only serve to exacerbate the problem as you will legitimize the act by implementing a reward system for doing so. Think about it.... Trolls would camp merchants waiting for players to sell goods, ambush them after missions, etc. In GTAO, you have the opportunity to deposit your cash via your phone. In RDO, this would require visiting a bank every time. .....something I doubt many would enjoy doing. Judging by your cocky thread title, I know you probably think your ideas are the "bee's knees" but this particular one is horrible.

Either fight them or leave. It takes less than a minute to quick join showdowns, then exit. They are no longer a problem. The only thing that stops me from quick joining pvp when being killed repeatedly sometimes is my ego. Then I remember I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. F@#$ them. It's my time. My time is the most valuable thing in this game. I'll not have it wasted by children or adults with child like minds. It's obvious in this game when someone isn't a fair fight, doesn't want to fight, or is trying to get away. Players that keep on killing when they know these things are just plain ignorant, childish and frankly unbalanced mentally I believe. Something is just not right in their head.

Yup, I know exactly what you're talking about. Those things are rarer than a leprechaun riding a unicorn.

That sucks, I understand your frustration... do you know how fire a warning shot so it sends out a message on the screen “player x has fired a warning shot”? Maybe that could help you avoid conflict in situations like these? Just trying to help!

People often wonder why Rockstar don't heed much of the advice they receive through their website, if I were a Rockstar employee sifting through suggestions something like this would convince me that the community has no idea what's good for them.

Thanks for helping in support of trying to fix this particular issue. I hope this gets resolved soon, if not, maybe once the PlayStation 5 comes out, the game will run smooth as butter if we upgrade. Not sure if they are going to fix this issue, but if they do, I'll be very much satisfied. I've been bothering R* about this for a while now.

White Russians are delightful concoction of Vodka, Kahlua and cream. (For a more healthy version I use 2% milk to replace the cream.) They were made popular by the American film icon, Jeffery Lebowski, in the classic film, The Big Lebowski. In real life, they help boost my stamina core and refill my dead eye bar. Yep. Back in the day we were relegated to a 15" monitor, a steel folding chair and stuck in the corner of a cold basement. Two hours of that meant numb ass cheeks and a trip upstairs to take a 10 minute whiz. You either took a break or faced some nasty consequences.

I think this game is directly pointed at us seniors. I certainly didn't trade in my controller to get my medicare card and I am pretty sure Rockstar understands we are still a viable market and they will do what they can to keep us around. Boomers are still 25% of the population and have the disposable income. I have been gaming since Pong and I am not going to suddenly change my lifestyle because of a calendar glitch. Besides toddlers, who has more recreational time to burn than us? Red Dead westerns hits us right in our youthful sweetspot. Movies, radio and television were dominated by westerns, war themes and gangsters. Our parents handed us plastic cap guns and chased us outside to create our own 1st person shooters with our friends. Who didnt want to be the Lone Ranger or Cisco Kid? I have some of the same problems as you, Pebbledash, My memory is fine but my recall is terrible. I keep a cheat sheet near for most controller moves. I am quite capable of forgetting how to mount my horse if I havent played in a week. I've punched him more than I care to admit and he always forgives me. I was a factory rat or a mechanic for 50 years and my hands are full of arthritis and bone spurs. I get by, but its good to see that manufactures are producing controllers for people with disabilities. The game is also quite good at letting you play at your own pace. I would avoid going to camp for days just so I could avoid missions. I spent a lot of time exploring the map and avoiding confrontations until I had pretty good grasp of how the game played. I would deadeye chipmunks and rabbits just for practice. This game also has some pretty reasonable enemies. No 50 foot tall acid spitting monsters that take an hour to kill. The game is interesting enough so that I never felt a need to rush thru it. As far as being to old to play games? I was 40 when I started and people would ask,"Arent you a bit to old to be playing a kids video game?" I always considered it as my hobby and just as reasonable as collecting stamps. Enjoy the rest of your game!

Many thanks for the responses to my query about the age of players. I have only played Resident Evil 4 and 5 before, starting after age 70. The difference between those games and RDR2 is the moral element of the latter - it is definitely different killing zombies or multi-headed monsters. I am so emersed in RDR2 that all my emotions are engaged - guilt, shame, (collecting debts from the likes of the Downes family) embarrassment (at my incompetence) and joy and wonder at the wilderness and wildlife. I am an atheist but it seems to me that the AI acts as a kind of Creator with an ethical agenda non-existent in the non-gaming world. The minor key music that swells up after particularly emotional moments swallows me up at times. And always after I have committed some atrocity accidentally - punching my beloved horse, shooting a woman I meant to help home, arresting a man who pleaded for forgiveness and redemption because I didn't know what else to do to progress, and because the function of some buttons mysteriously changes. There are many lessons for life in this 'game' that is not a game at all but a very real part of my life and search for my own redemption.

I agree. Not a fix at all. I love the game a bit too much obviously! I've just given up on Rockstar fixing it. Thanks for the welcome. Long time lurker first time poster haha.