HuDawg

Could use a gun storage at camp. No need to sell tonics.. Tonics are priceless. Hell, tonics are worth more to me then gold and money.

Defensive mode does nothing really. I've murdered defensive mode players just as easy as offensive mode players. Nothing really changes except the lock on and some pointless kill tax. Sure.. it helps keep idiots away. But the idiots where never a problem do deal with, beyond a few cheap shots.. The real killers, the REAL ones, will not be stopped by defensive mode at all.

That's pretty much me.. I never shoot 1st. But, once I do get shot, I don't stop killing that person. I basically turn into trolls of trolls. If im out numbered. I'll get a few kills in, make a big mess and GTFOuttta there. Once they start seeing red and want revenge, running away and not giving them any kills seems to drive hostiles posses nuts.

Its still time based. R* just giving a little bit extra gold. Stranger enounters for example. I did the exact same one twice last night. Where I had to rescue someone and give him a ride. 1st time.. Did it really quick. Killed everyone, untied him and gave him a ride to Valentine. Got about $4. 2nd time.. I decided to untie the guy. But I left him behind. Instead of just walking to valentine.. he decided to follow me for 40 mins over a mountain side. (Which is funny because it would have taken him 5 mins to walk to Valentine instead of chasing me over a mountain) Eventually I got sick of him following me and brought him to Valentine. And the payout was over $30.

The person in charge of RD O really is the problem. All my love goes to the actual skilled game devs that brought this game to life, and I doubt the person in charge of RD O had anything to do with anything when it came to actual work.. in creating this game.

How long something takes is subjective tho. Players could have to deal with other players attacking them... R* needs to stop punishing players for playing the game. If people want to 'spam' the easy missions, I don't get how this is a problem. Its already bad enough that you can't just play/host co-op missions or work for the same mission givers in free roam due to cool downs. Either way.. Its that kind of BS that leads to players cheating the system for more in game money.

It should be a flat rate. Be it 1 min or 20 mins. The payout should be the same..

Well.. If R* did start acting on every 'griefer' report. Then the griefers will start using the same system against players. Really.. Only a private lobbies, friendly lobbies or passive mode would solve your issues with hostile players.

R* purposely throttles in game pay outs on missions based on time spent. Far as I see it, people who exploit an already exploitive system are just balancing things out. So no.. we don't need a roll back. Nor do we need penalties. You may not mind losing a few thousand dollars, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE should be punished including those who didn't participate in the duping/payouts. Besides its only cheating if its pvp related. Cheating money is only cheating against the system R* forced onto players. R* needs to change things to be flat pay rates...not time spent. Why the hell do players get less money for finishing missions too fast? Instead players have to sit there with their thumbs up their ass for 15 mins to get full payouts.

Its kind of like a cheat tho. It gives players a free aim/punishment bubble. Sure, playing defensively, its nothing.. But using that against other players to troll or kill them, makes it like a cheat, compared to someone whos not using it. I don't think this offensive/defensive modes changed anything at all in terms hostile players acting others. It just gave players more ways to mess with other players. Funny thing is. Defensive mode, Its almost like R* is punishing actual free aim player. "Yes.. you can have free aim, but NO shooting other players" Or its back to the auto aim gulag for you!

Yet the person in charge thinks everyone needs to play in one public lobby type.. Sort of like opening a bar and having 3 bands playing 3 different types of music at the same time on the same stage. And then the owner of the bar keeps telling the sound guy to balance it out so everyone can hear what ever bad the want clearly. The Sound guy tries his best.. But it won't matter. Because the only thing that will work are WALLS and separate stages.

Thanks for some support. I know some people may get annoyed of people like me constantly complaining about R* not giving us separate lobbies. (It stings even more after reading that interview). Because they obviously know players are begging for it, yet are treating us like lab experiments as they try to make a one lobby fits all type of thing. Sorry to everyone who hates my complaining. Its not like I enjoy complaining.. It just frustrating. Far as I see it. It would have made more sense to give players actual passive/friendly mode instead of defensive mode. Defensive mode doesn't make players safe. Removing players ability to lock on and taking slightly less damage is mainly giving players an advantage in the 1st few seconds of combat. Does R* think griefers can't free aim? It took 6 months to get this far, and the offensive/defensive blip system is kind of a mess.. When they could have just gave us separate lobbies in the 1st place. .

For me, the update that added the kill tax and red blips. I ended up killing most of the people who attack me 1st, which meant I constantly got red blips and bounties. And since I like fighting people. That meant once I killed someone who attacked me 1st, I might just spawn kill them for 20-30 mins. So my bounties shot through the roof.

I just had to pay gold to have low dishonor. Im constantly stuck in high honor for some reason.

Because everyones too busy playing the new content.. Give it a few days or so.

Not saying its 'apocalyptic'. Im saying if something can be abused.. Damn well it will be abused. How many times you run into it may completely differ from others.

Its not deterring or balancing anything tho.. Its giving people an advantage over others. Too bad you're on PS4. If you where on xbox, I could show you just how annoying one person can be in defensive mode. Its not as simple as you think to deal with. Its like turning on two special abilities. Im also not talking about silly goof balls messing around. im talking about pure, 100% little bitches how are purposely getting in your way and shitting on you.

Have you played GTA O? Everything R* added to curb so called griefing ends up being just another tool in their belt. Same thing is already happening here. Infact I would have preferred passive mode be added instead of defensive/offensive mode

Rubber band around the camera stick. As long as its spinning you're winning. ,,lol

Despite the lack of easier to find blip. I can easily find players. Either by horse trials, gun shot sounds and just roaming the trails. And the game sort of puts you in games near players. And the likely hood imo is that there will be plenty of complains coming.. Just give it a few days, let the trolls get their bearing on straight. They need to learn how to abuse it. I mean, if was a punk ass bitch. I could find other like minded punk ass bitches to be friends with.. And Stroll the country side looking for players to pester while using defensive mode as a shield. if anyone shoot 1st, we hold the advantage.

..As an old skool R* player. I can be easily instigated into a fight...lol A bunch of defensive mode players all stomping on my freshly killed perfect bear. Calling me a yella belly. How the hell am I supposed to handle that, when my 1st gut instinct is to blast em. And on top of that I get punished if I attack them, and they take less damage due to defensive mode. Holy sh*t.. They turned Red Dead into Canada.

Well they did just add the defensive/offensive feature. So give a few days/weeks till the trolls find out how to best use defensive mode to annoys others with. After a few years of GTA O passive mode abuse, nothing shocks me... I don't consider what I posted about the trolls, extreme. They are just part of the R* eco system.

I never said a posse came after me. Just wondering how you would handle that, A troll trolling with defensive mode and if you shoot em, you get 'punished'/ Anyways..The 'aggressive' icon means what exactly? It takes nothing into context and just handicaps players. I could mow down a posse that targeted me.. In seconds. (thanks to auto aim and ability cards) and get a red aggressive icon fairly quickly..

What do you do when a posse of defensive players decide to get in your face and annoy you? .. Blow up fishes, blast the animals you're hunting or steal your animal kills. Or ride into a gang hide out, jump infront of your bullets and raid the corpse you killed? Besides the penalty system is kind of bullsh*t. Game now.. more then ever, needs a proper Hardcore mode. No auto aim, no ability cards, no defensive/offensive mode, and no kill tax penalty. Just pure 100% red dead.

Because auto aim RUINS the shooting. And since the bulk of the online revolves around shooting.... Well, what can I say? This game needs proper free aim lobbies and hosted lobbies. Just like the last red dead. Sure I could use free aim.. But now im stuck with players using auto aim. Sucking the fun out co-op.. and pvp. Im forced to use auto aim.