Game Informer Interview paints a dark future

[HuDawg]

9 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

The red dot update has been out for quite some time now and without new content. But whatever. I guess we just have differing experiences and want different things out of the game. 

For me,  the update that added the kill tax and red blips.  I ended up killing most of the people who attack me 1st, which meant I constantly got red blips and bounties.

 

And since I like fighting people.  That meant once I killed someone who attacked me 1st, I might just spawn kill them for 20-30 mins.  So my bounties shot through the roof.

[The_Liquor]

13 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

For me,  the update that added the kill tax and red blips.  I ended up killing most of the people who attack me 1st, which meant I constantly got red blips and bounties.

 

And since I like fighting people.  That meant once I killed someone who attacked me 1st, I might just spawn kill them for 20-30 mins.  So my bounties shot through the roof.

Then this update should benefit you. Now when people attack you, you can retaliate without getting a red blip or racking up bounty. The ‘kill tax’ only applies if you choose to ride around and attack people... and even then, if you pick on the red blip populations, you still won’t rack up any bounty or aggressive status... 

[CosmoKramer]

Have to agree with HuDawg to an extent here - I do believe the playing style function will be abused and possibly to a game-killing extent when people get bored of the content.

I had the first sign of it yesterday when a player came to the hideout I was clearing and started looting bodies. Sure, if I'm close to him I can blow him away with shotgun but I'm defensive (and he can see that) so from a distance I've got to try and sort him in free-aim with enemies still shooting me.

HuDawg's examples were intentionally extreme to make a point but if something can be done in an online game sure as hell some idiot out there will do it, however ludicrous it might sound. Mark his words.

[Vaderspupil]

Some jerk stole a perfect elk pelt off the back of my horse and disappeared before I could switch to offensive mode and blast him. I was pissed, but in the end it didn't matter because I was immediately able to find a perfect deer to replace it.

[Kean_1]

9 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Have to agree with HuDawg to an extent here - I do believe the playing style function will be abused and possibly to a game-killing extent when people get bored of the content.

I had the first sign of it yesterday when a player came to the hideout I was clearing and started looting bodies. Sure, if I'm close to him I can blow him away with shotgun but I'm defensive (and he can see that) so from a distance I've got to try and sort him in free-aim with enemies still shooting me.

HuDawg's examples were intentionally extreme to make a point but if something can be done in an online game sure as hell some idiot out there will do it, however ludicrous it might sound. Mark his words.

.....and no one is saying trolls will stop being trolls.  Of course they will find new ways to exploit features like this but the point some of us are making is that it likely won't be the ominous, "dark future" being painted here.

Similar things were being said about the gameplay back when the blips / proximity changes were implemented and it didn't happen then either. 

None of us are saying the system is perfect or that it won't require tweaking along the way.   ....even R* admits this.  I just don't see it being the complete disaster some people seem to be portraying it as. 

[Madrigalian]

23 hours ago, HuDawg said:

Well they did just add the defensive/offensive feature.  So give a few days/weeks till the trolls find out how to best use defensive mode to annoys others with.

 

On this point, I wholeheartedly agree.   This is coming.  It always does. 

As for the rest, I love what R* is doing with RDO.   But for the sake of those like HuDawg, I hope they get their own "hardcore" servers soon.  It's a valid desire that ultimately will have to be separated from the rest if R* has any hope of appeasing both crowds.  I won't participate on a hardcore server.  But I would love a seat at the fire to hear some HuDawg war stories here in the forums. 

[HuDawg]

On ‎5‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 6:00 PM, Madrigalian said:

On this point, I wholeheartedly agree.   This is coming.  It always does. 

As for the rest, I love what R* is doing with RDO.   But for the sake of those like HuDawg, I hope they get their own "hardcore" servers soon.  It's a valid desire that ultimately will have to be separated from the rest if R* has any hope of appeasing both crowds.  I won't participate on a hardcore server.  But I would love a seat at the fire to hear some HuDawg war stories here in the forums. 

Thanks for some support.   

I know some people may get annoyed of people like me constantly complaining about R* not giving us separate lobbies.  (It stings even more after reading that interview).  Because they obviously know players are begging for it, yet are treating us like lab experiments as they try to make a one lobby fits all type of thing.

Sorry to everyone who hates my complaining.  Its not like I enjoy complaining..  It just frustrating.

Far as I see it.     It would have made more sense to give players actual passive/friendly mode instead of defensive mode.  Defensive mode doesn't make players safe.  Removing players ability to lock on and taking slightly less damage is mainly giving players an advantage in the 1st few seconds of combat.     Does R* think griefers can't free aim?

It took 6 months to get this far, and the offensive/defensive blip system is kind of a mess..  When they could have just gave us separate lobbies in the 1st place.

 

 

 

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Edited May 18, 2019 by HuDawg

[Netnow66]

28 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

Thanks for some support.   

I know some people may get annoyed of people like me constantly complaining about R* not giving us separate lobbies.  (It stings even more after reading that interview).  Because they obviously know players are begging for it, yet are treating us like lab experiments as they try to make a one lobby fits all type of thing.

Sorry to everyone who hates my complaining.  Its not like I enjoy complaining..  It just frustrating.

Far as I see it.     It would have made more sense to give players actual passive/friendly mode instead defensive mode.  Defensive mode doesn't make players safe.  Removing players ability to lock on and taking slightly less damage is mainly giving players an advantage in the 1st few seconds of combat.     Does R* think griefers can't free aim?

It took 6 months to get this far, and the offensive/defensive blip system is kind of a mess..  When they could have just gave us separate lobbies in the 1st place.

I am firmly anti griefer though my take on the general sentiment of most here seems to be "they make the game more interesting."

You're 100% correct, Defensive mode does not make players safe. I and others have reported being killed while in Defensive mode. I reported it to Rockstar as a glitch the first day (I was shotgunned in the back while in Defensive mode) and I have been in an interesting conversation with Rockstar support over the last few days. When I find an appropriate place to post it, I will or just start another thread.

I gave Defensive a chance and, though I'm getting griefed less, I am still being griefed. So, yeah, since Rockstar can't get it right, they should just give us separate lobbies. 

Even though I am playing the game much less now, I usually try and find glitched solo/passive lobbies when I do because Rockstar still can't get it right.

 

Edited May 18, 2019 by Netnow66

[Netnow66]

If you are getting killed while in Defensive mode, Rockstar may be interested in seeing videos of it. Here is the conversation I have been having with Rockstar support over the last few days.

If you're a griefer or are pro griefer, I get that you don't see a problem here. Fine. However, if you are anti griefer and got killed or have videos of Defensive players getting killed, you might want to contact Rockstar and report it as a glitch as I did. 

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(Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support)
May 18, 05:56 EDT
Hello (my name) ,
Thank you for your response.
We understand that although you are in defensive mode, other players are causing the trouble.
We would look into this, before that could you please provide us with a video where you are in defensive mode but still other players are attacking.
This will give us a better picture of the issue.
We appreciate your continuous patience.
If the video is too long to upload to this ticket, please add an unlisted video to YouTube and provide us with the direct link to it.
Once we have this information, we will research your issue and get back with you when we reach a resolution. Please let us know if you have any questions or need assistance with any of these steps.
Best regards,
(Rockstar support name)
Rockstar Support
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(my name) 
May 17, 07:31 EDT
What I need here is some honesty. Submitting to Rockstar Feedback never gets me answers (you can check my account to see how many submissions I have sent in). I need to find out if the mechanics of Red Dead Online are working and I'm not getting a clear answer from you as of yet.
I'm sorry to keep bothering you but I need clarity as far as the Offensive/Defensive mechanic is concerned.
As I told you, I and other players are still getting killed by griefers while in game.
Is Offensive/Defensive working as intended? Are players supposed to be able to kill me so easily?
If Offensive/Defensive is working as intended now, will anything EVER be done to prevent us from being griefed in game?
Bottom line, just be honest and tell us players if we will ever be able to play in "a fun and fair environment for everyone" as was stated in the Red Dead Online ads.
The game is out of beta now and some of us need to know if we spent our money wisely or not. I purposely bought this game for the online portion knowing that Rockstar promised "a fun and fair environment for everyone."
Now that the game is out of beta, will you or someone else at Rockstar be honest enough to tell us what to expect? Will we ever be able to be free from griefers in "a fun and fair environment for everyone"?
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(Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support)
May 16, 23:11 EDT
Hello (my name) ,
Thank you for your reply.
We certainly understand frustration with regards to other players in the game. We apologize for the inconvenience.
We would like to inform you that once theses players are reported in the game, we will look into these players. To keep the gameplay environment as fair as possible for legitimate players, we routinely do sweeps to separate out cheaters and modders in the game.
Also, if you would like to provide feedback or ideas for Red Dead Online, please submit it via this link http://www.reddeadonline.com/feedback.
We will appreciate your patience and understanding.
If you have any other issues or queries, please feel free to contact us.
Best regards,
(Rockstar support name)
Rockstar Support
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(my name) 
May 16, 07:15 EDT
I am reading and seeing reports from other players who are also complaining about being griefed while in Defensive mode.
Defensive mode is not working, at least not to the degree that it is actually defending people! It seems that all you have to do is shotgun someone in the back and they die.
We waited all this time for you to stop the griefing and now the game is no longer in beta. Are you going to leave us to be griefed by these idiots every time we log in?
I shouldn't have to get killed by some fool and THEN block him.
Is Rockstar going to protect players from griefers or not? Your promotional copy said that Red Dead Online would be "a fun and fair environment for everyone."
Now that the game is no longer in beta, are you going to ensure that these miscreants cannot attack us or not? Many of us waited for Offensive/Defensive because you said it would prevent griefing.
It is not working as it is now, at least to the extent that it is actually preventing me from being griefed.
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(Rockstar support name) (Rockstar Support)
May 16, 04:39 EDT
Hello (my name) ,
Thank you for contacting Rockstar Support.
We understand that you are unable to play game due to other player in Red Dead Online. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Unwanted player interactions can be dealt with by blocking the offending user using platform tools. Below are some steps you can take to block interactions as well as report behavior that you feel rises to the level of abuse. If at any time you feel there is a threat to your personal safety, please contact your local police department.
Use the block / mute features on your platform to prevent the player from communicating with you.
https://www.playstation.com/en-nz/get-help/help-library/my-account/parental-controls/how-to-use-your-playstation-4-to-block-or-unblock-a-playstation-/
Do let us know if you have any other issues or queries. We are happy to assist you.
Best regards,
(Rockstar support name)
Rockstar Support
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(my name) 
May 15, 11:50 EDT
What the hell? I'm playing in Defensive mode and some player rides up and blasts me! What is Defensive mode for if these aXXXXXX griefers can continue to kill me? Is this some kind of a glitch or is this working as intended?
The players name is (the griefer's name) and after killing me, I parleyed and he walked up into my face and started doing emotes. I then pressed charges, then reported in game, then blocked him on PSN. I'm pretty sure I recorded the video also, if it is needed. I need to know what is expected from me as an RDO player. I took the time to put my character into Defensive mode and I still got attacked. What is going on?!

[The_Liquor]

Defensive mode was never supposed to be invulnerable mode... maybe you shouldn’t have died from a single shotgun blast, but I’m not thinking it was a ‘critical’ hit (like varmit rifle to the head), but the massive damage killed you anyway. 

Bottom line, defensive or not the idea is you still have to be a little cautious. I’m not sure I’d actually want invincible mode myself, but I do see how your experience was a little frustrating