Frame Rate Drops

[DylBandit]

On 10/30/2018 at 5:44 AM, 19Eric95 said:

So i bought a new one x for this game and the framerate seems Not so Fluid, like every test site teils it.

 Some people say it runs better on a ps4 pro in 1080p that makes me sad.

 I bought this console to have the best experiences. Hope they fix it.

Rockstar has a lot of things to fix, so hopefully they fix up all the flaws. 

[DylBandit]

On 11/1/2018 at 3:34 PM, -JR- said:

Yeah the FPS feels really low in the towns. Saint Denis feels the worst like 15 FPS...

 If I remember right, they had this same issue in RDR1 and removed some of the people in the towns to smooth the FPS.

They would have to remove people, or maybe even remove the dust effects, or even lower the resolution if they have to.

 Graphic options in the menu would be nice to have so we could lower the activity in these towns.

The frame drop is because they have to many objects and things going on at once with heavy detail and it's straining our consoles hardware, that's how much detailed this game is haha

[DylBandit]

11 hours ago, MarkVai said:

Hi

Yes i get the exact same problem on my PS4 standard on my OLED TV.  I've even tried to re-hi the game completely to no avail. 

  

As soon as i enter valentine it starts to judder like its about to crash

 

I hope they fix it soon

I have faith that they will. 

[Ariton45]

Just entered Rhodes for the first time and oh god the frames.... its even worse than in Valentine. This is the reason im avoiding towns, I wish the frames would be better.

I really hope this comes on PC soon!! Its a great game but the frames are a big issue.

[jsleigh]

I notice this in Valentine, really irritating because the game is so good and it really isn’t doing it justice. I wonder if this has been flagged to R*......

[DylBandit]

1 hour ago, jsleigh said:

I notice this in Valentine, really irritating because the game is so good and it really isn’t doing it justice. I wonder if this has been flagged to R*......

I'm sure it is, but I think for Rockstar to fix this issue, they might have to reduce some of the actual items in the map or decrease the quality. The towns are filled with massive amounts of objects, textures, activity, and this is what causes the frame rate to drop because it's straining our systems because our consoles cannot simply handle it. Hopefully they can trim up the towns so they can reduce frame rate drop without taking away noticeable features in the game. 

[madNoNameGuy]

im on One X and I have had no fps problems in towns...at all. Im using a "premium" (high speed) hdmi cable instead of the one that came with the console....tv is tcl 5 series with game mode on. Dont know if any of this will make a difference for you....or if it even matters...just putting it out there

[DylBandit]

32 minutes ago, madNoNameGuy said:

im on One X and I have had no fps problems in towns...at all. Im using a "premium" (high speed) hdmi cable instead of the one that came with the console....tv is tcl 5 series with game mode on. Dont know if any of this will make a difference for you....or if it even matters...just putting it out there

Does not matter, It's strictly a CPU thing. The game has so many things going on that it really puts the CPU to the test. Are you sure you're not having any FPS drops? This problem is still a thing for both PS4 Pro & Xbox One X, there is a video on YouTube testing both consoles for frame drops. Every console on the market both PlayStation and Xbox are having this issue when going into towns. The consoles simply do not hold a solid 30 frames a second when entering towns, it usually dips roughly to the 25-28 fps range.

Here is a video by Digital Foundry testing all consoles when playing Red Dead Redemption 2. 

 

[Kean_1]

Honestly though, the frame drops I have experienced have been nothing close to what I would consider game breaking.  Yeah, I can notice a struggle here and there with the frame rate at certain times but again, nothing to the extent of what i think of when reading some of the descriptions here from some.

I'm working off of a base PS4 and a 60" 1080p monitor from about 5 - 6 feet away.  Some of these complaints tend to make me think the game is stuttering heavily to the point where it is difficult to play vs. what we see in the video.  ....and perhaps it is for some people.

My experience is closer to what I see in the recording but the examples of FR drop they point out are not my general experience.  ....rather occasional instances here and there. 

 

[Junicocho]

I have the same issue in the OG PS4, Ive already talked to rockstar and they didnt give a solution that worked

What we need to do is make some noise with this problem and wait until they patch it

[DylBandit]

6 hours ago, Junicocho said:

I have the same issue in the OG PS4, Ive already talked to rockstar and they didnt give a solution that worked

What we need to do is make some noise with this problem and wait until they patch it

It's a shame the console's GPU can't really handle the big active areas like the towns, if the game was on PC it would be a different story, the game wouldn't have frame rate drops if you had good specifications. 

I think the only way Rockstar can fix this issue is to reduce the activity within the NPCs in the towns, and take away some unnecessary things we wouldn't notice if they were gone. 

[Minimoni]

I play on a PS4-pro and I am very se sensitive to frame drops, that is why I normally play on PC. In most cases I do not play games under 60 fps at all but RDR2 is way too good to ignore. With that said I must say I am surprised to hear from people complaining about bad fps... I can understand that the og-ps4, Xone, XoneS May not deliver a smooth experience but the ps4-pro deliver perfectly at 1080p and no hdr. The XoneX delivers almost perfectly even on 4K but back to the pro. As is with the blurred graphics on the higher resolutions and the horrible implementation of hdr in this game, PS4-pro looks better at the moment in 1080p and hdr off anyway. And if you still have bad frame rate, then just rebuild your database. It is something most people sadly do not do but should be done after any major installation as it really makes the console work way better.

 

Try it out guys and gals, you have nothing to lose.

[DylBandit]

6 hours ago, Minimoni said:

I play on a PS4-pro and I am very se sensitive to frame drops, that is why I normally play on PC. In most cases I do not play games under 60 fps at all but RDR2 is way too good to ignore. With that said I must say I am surprised to hear from people complaining about bad fps... I can understand that the og-ps4, Xone, XoneS May not deliver a smooth experience but the ps4-pro deliver perfectly at 1080p and no hdr. The XoneX delivers almost perfectly even on 4K but back to the pro. As is with the blurred graphics on the higher resolutions and the horrible implementation of hdr in this game, PS4-pro looks better at the moment in 1080p and hdr off anyway. And if you still have bad frame rate, then just rebuild your database. It is something most people sadly do not do but should be done after any major installation as it really makes the console work way better.

 

 Try it out guys and gals, you have nothing to lose.

Yeah, I'm pretty much the FPS geek when it comes to video games, I really need that smooth gameplay, but, RDR2 is good enough to see past it. I can definitely see why PC players would really prefer the game on the PC, because of the better hardware sides of things. 

[Ariton45]

On 11/12/2018 at 2:41 AM, Minimoni said:

I play on a PS4-pro and I am very se sensitive to frame drops, that is why I normally play on PC. In most cases I do not play games under 60 fps at all but RDR2 is way too good to ignore. With that said I must say I am surprised to hear from people complaining about bad fps... I can understand that the og-ps4, Xone, XoneS May not deliver a smooth experience but the ps4-pro deliver perfectly at 1080p and no hdr. The XoneX delivers almost perfectly even on 4K but back to the pro. As is with the blurred graphics on the higher resolutions and the horrible implementation of hdr in this game, PS4-pro looks better at the moment in 1080p and hdr off anyway. And if you still have bad frame rate, then just rebuild your database. It is something most people sadly do not do but should be done after any major installation as it really makes the console work way better.

 

Try it out guys and gals, you have nothing to lose.

 

I did rebuild the database and still the same issues, big frame drops in towns. I hope they patch it.

I do have a standard PS4, but I was expecting drops to at least be around 25 fps but it feels like it drops to around 15.

Edited November 24, 2018 by Ariton45

[Minimoni]

11 minutes ago, Ariton45 said:

 

I did rebuild the database and still the same issues, big frame drops in towns. I hope they patch it.

I do have a standard PS4, but I was expecting drops to at least be around 25 fps but it feels like it drops to around 15.

The frame rate on the original PS4, XoneS and original Xone is actually horrid in this game. Sad to say but that is just the way it is. I have friends that play on those systems and some of them really do not care or even notice the bad frame rate, I wish I was like that. I a man as earlier mentioned very sensitive to frame drops and I have concluded that the best performance(nit best visuals) is on the PRO with 1080p and no as or hdr. 

 

Sadly I do not think they will patch it. I had the same issues with GTAV on PS3 and then on PS4 and even on the PRO with boost mode. Even if the PRO made that game run best of the mentioned, it still had frame drops that I found to ruin the entertainment value of the game. I am a sucker and I also bought GTAV for PC and finally I could play the game with no issues. 

 

So I know how you feel and I think R* sometimes just want to push as much visually out of the consoles and just do not care about performance. The good news is that I feel RDR2 runs at a stable 30 fps on the PRO at the specs I mentioned  and very close to a locked 30 fps on the XoneX even in 4K native! 

Edited November 24, 2018 by Minimoni

[elmZ]

I wonder if maybe this is something they overlooked. I noticed I get the drops as well. Not as frequent as others have mentioned but it happens more than it should considering this game just came out and the systems they are on. 

[mitchellCFC96]

I was so happy when I saw the patch notes mentioning that the framerate drop has been fixed.

Same day I start up RDR2 and I didn’t noticed any difference in comparison before the patch. I am very disapointent by Rockstar. I hoped they fixed the framrate drop in the towns but I still have the same issue.

Has anybody else mentioned a difference after the patch with the framerate drops in towns?

[Volt]

I've noticed this occur a few times on my PS4Pro. I think it's only been in towns. I think it's also occurred when I'm in a room, with many decorative objects to look at. When it occurs, it's for a very short time. It made me think the game was loading assets. Thankfully it's not game breaking. And seems to occur inconsistently. 

I only got to play a little bit last night, since updating to patch 1.03. So my above comments are relating to prior the patch.

I'll try that tip to rebuild my database. Thanks for that tip! I have faith R* will improve this with future patches. 

Edited November 28, 2018 by Volt

[Shadow]

The last patch fixed nothing for me, in strawberry , valentine and camps its unplayable :(

 

So again, definitely not continue playing, too bad for the game

PS4 standard.

[DylBandit]

2 hours ago, Shadow said:

The last patch fixed nothing for me, in strawberry , valentine and camps its unplayable

  

So again, definitely not continue playing, too bad for the game

PS4 standard.

I'm not sure if Rockstar will ever fix this, I think it would take away some of the things in the game that are important. When you think about reducing frame drops, they would most likely have to take some things out of the game, because the game is putting your PS4 underload when trying to load all the graphics, motion capture, details, objects and other things all at once, which is why it does the frame drop when entering towns. 

I honestly think this is a problem, but I wouldn't consider it to be "unplayable" and I also don't think it should be a make it or break it for the game. 

[Shadow]

8 hours ago, DylBandit said:

I'm not sure if Rockstar will ever fix this, I think it would take away some of the things in the game that are important. When you think about reducing frame drops, they would most likely have to take some things out of the game, because the game is putting your PS4 underload when trying to load all the graphics, motion capture, details, objects and other things all at once, which is why it does the frame drop when entering towns.  

I honestly think this is a problem, but I wouldn't consider it to be "unplayable" and I also don't think it should be a make it or break it for the game. 

at me it is so extreme there are already partially still images,
are videos here allowed?

[Cloverdose]

I don’t knkw much about the PS4 or FPS or anything and honestly didn’t use the PS4 that much until this game came out and when I got on and noticed the lag when entering a town I thought it was my monitor. The monitor I had wasn’t bad by any means but I thought that was the issue so I bought a brand new one hoping it would fix the lag in towns and sadly it didn’t. Wish I could return the monitor since it didn’t fix anything

[lumper]

The only time ive ever seen any drop in frame rates are when I attack a small group of O'Drisolls let's say, and I use explosive weapons, so everything ends up burning, and with lots of flames, you can see a drop in frame rates, the only time it gets better is when he flames die down.

Otherwise, never see any lag or frame rate drop at all.

Xbox one X  @ 4k when available on a 70" P series Vizio 4k tv

Edited March 8, 2019 by lumper

[DylBandit]

Just wanted to come back to this thread because they still haven't fixed the frame rate drop yet unfortunately, which is kind of a bummer. Well, hopefully they will fix it in the future. 

[James Hickok_1837]

I too have noticed frame rate drops on xbox x. Sometimes even during videos on co op mission which never happened before. Same in busy towns but not always - strange. Guess they need to fix this in future updates.   

 

Overall im happy with the game even without the poker for my country. 

[DylBandit]

16 hours ago, James Hickok_1837 said:

I too have noticed frame rate drops on xbox x. Sometimes even during videos on co op mission which never happened before. Same in busy towns but not always - strange. Guess they need to fix this in future updates.   

 

Overall im happy with the game even without the poker for my country. 

Yeah the frame drop issue also happens in story mode, and online as well. I believe the frame rate drops so much because there's a lot of textures, motion capture, details that our consoles get strained and can't really keep up as our consoles hardware is pretty outdated to today's gaming standards because GPUs and CPUs always get better all the time. I think when the PS5 comes out, and Red Dead Online is compatible with it, I think the game will run so much smoother. Just like GTA 5 was laggy on PS3 and was so much better on PS4. 

[DylBandit]

UPDATE: 

So I just made a ticket to R* about 2 days ago about the frame rate drop issue, and they marked my ticket as "Resolved" and status as "closed" with no response. Well, I just re-opened a new ticket. Hopefully I can annoy them enough to fix the problem

[DNMNetTech]

9 hours ago, DylBandit said:

UPDATE: 

So I just made a ticket to R* about 2 days ago about the frame rate drop issue, and they marked my ticket as "Resolved" and status as "closed" with no response. Well, I just re-opened a new ticket. Hopefully I can annoy them enough to fix the problem

What is the MTU max size on your router or playstation if you bypass NAT? if it is the default of 1500 lower it to 1476. This setting does not include the TCP header of 26K. Many routers will drop packets over 1500. Playstation and XBox do not use MTU setting as true MTU and set in the background for max TCP packet size which is 2 different settings. This may help.

[Kean_1]

13 hours ago, DylBandit said:

UPDATE: 

So I just made a ticket to R* about 2 days ago about the frame rate drop issue, and they marked my ticket as "Resolved" and status as "closed" with no response. Well, I just re-opened a new ticket. Hopefully I can annoy them enough to fix the problem

IIRC, there is an option to go back into the trouble ticket and escalate.  I've had to do that before.

Also, the same thing happened to me recently with my ticket regarding the "CE" blue screen error.  However, I was still able to go back into it and make a comment (telling them it's not resolved).  I received more responses after that and eventually (last night) received and acknowledgement that R* is aware of the issue and working on a resolution.

4 hours ago, DNMNetTech said:

What is the MTU max size on your router or playstation if you bypass NAT? if it is the default of 1500 lower it to 1476. This setting does not include the TCP header of 26K. Many routers will drop packets over 1500. Playstation and XBox do not use MTU setting as true MTU and set in the background for max TCP packet size which is 2 different settings. This may help.

So, would you recommend simply setting it to 1476 and leaving it there?  What I mean is, will it negatively impact other games in regard to performance or....?  In other words, is their and advantage to setting it back to 1500 afterward?  Thanks.

[DNMNetTech]

14 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

IIRC, there is an option to go back into the trouble ticket and escalate.  I've had to do that before.

Also, the same thing happened to me recently with my ticket regarding the "CE" blue screen error.  However, I was still able to go back into it and make a comment (telling them it's not resolved).  I received more responses after that and eventually (last night) received and acknowledgement that R* is aware of the issue and working on a resolution.

So, would you recommend simply setting it to 1476 and leaving it there?  What I mean is, will it negatively impact other games in regard to performance or....?  In other words, is their and advantage to setting it back to 1500 afterward?  Thanks.

Without getting too technical. Imagine you have a gallon of water to move to another gallon jug. In between the gallon jug is a container that is just a bit smaller than 1 gallon that must be moved to first. you could just pour the amount into the middle just under a gallon jug then pour that into the gallon jug. Then pour the rest into the middle jug then into the gallon jug. 

TCP packets can do just that. There would be an impact if you did the following as  with the jug of water.

Pour a cup of water out of the gallon jug then pour it into the middle jug. Then pour a cup of water out of the middle jug into the gallon jug. Repeat until all cups of water are in the last jug. The recommendation I made doesn't increase the number of packets by much if at all. The errors most people are getting point to network IP packet frame (Ping response times) issues. Not necessarily the PS or your network but maybe a bottleneck somewhere between your house and the servers location.

As a side note to frame rate drops: Video resolution and cpu overload can cause game lag and video frame rate drops. A hot playstation or xbox can cause CPU to overheat and may cause frame rate drops. Video resolution could be altered to minimize CPU (GPU) overload.

I hope that explains it a bit better. If not, let me know and I can send private message with more detail as to how it works. 

Edited May 24, 2019 by DNMNetTech