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1 hour ago, Benjo said:

Why does he have two holsters for the right hand?

Anyone with holster / cowboy knowledge care to tell me if this is right or just stupid? Why isn't the off hand holster the other way around?

 

Like Kennedy mentioned, it's a cross draw holster. 

I think it's apparent Arthur is a righty.  It would make sense that he would want both weapons more accessible to his right hand than left.  The idea for me would be to have access to two loaded weapons in a gunfight vs. one.  What I don't like is that there isn't a quick button press where you can quickly switch handguns when one is empty.

Personally, I think the whole dual wielding idea is what is stupid about the weapon handling in this game.  I've seen trick shooters and professionals (who train religiously) pull off some cool shots but in reality, it is extremely inaccurate and anything but CQC would likely not hit the target as it is portrayed in the game.

 

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To be true to the time and not saying Rockstar is.  Real cowboys didn't Dual Wield, if they carried a second weapon it was so they didn't have to reload, they just re-holster and draw the second weapon.  So both guns would be worn so that they could draw it with their shooting hand.   It is also true that gun fighters would wear their guns on the opposite side so it was a swifter draw.  So a right handed gunfighter would wear is holster on his left side and not his right.

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I see so this is genuinely how they would have worn a cross draw like this but Rockstar's dual wielding is unlikely. 

If that's the case I don't see why they didn't just put the other holster down by his left side instead of it being an off hand?

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Just now, Benjo said:

I see so this is genuinely how they would have worn a cross draw like this but Rockstar's dual wielding is unlikely. 

If that's the case I don't see why they didn't just put the other holster down by his left side instead of it being an off hand?

Hollywood.  Blame Hollywood.  For their stories it was more impressive to wield two guns at once.  Thing is cowboys like Wyatt Earp has stated you can't shoot accurately like that, you have to aim down your sights and you can't do that  with both guns at the same time. 

Another tidbit, most duels both shooter was within 5 yards of one another. 

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21 minutes ago, Poggy said:

Duel wielding is a genre trope, not a reflection of reality.  

Agreed....   So is the idea that everyone walked around with a drop holster like you see in all the western movies.  Many cowboys wore their holsters at the beltline like most do today.  .....not talking about modern military thigh rigs btw which is a whole other debate in itself (vs. chest rigs, what some armor will allow, etc.)

Anyhow, thought these photos would be good for the discussion.

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10 minutes ago, Skysaw said:

What does he mean by "breaking your 170?"

Your firing line.  An imaginary 170 degrees (left to right) while pointed down range.  To "break" that means you are pointing your weapon in an unsafe direction (potentially sweeping someone with your muzzle).  Everyone else should be behind that radius.

....has nothing to do with gunfights but simply the rules of the range or anytime you are firing weapons whether that's practice, hunting, etc.

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Here.....   Found this sketch to illustrate what I'm talking about:

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Everyone else is behind the firing line.

You may also hear about the "180 degree" rule (that's what I was taught growing up) but the idea behind the "170 rule" is the added safety of the extra 5 degrees to your left and right.  In either case, I never have my weapon pointed anywhere close to those extremes within that radius in relation to where others are around me or at the range.

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Hand guns back then were only accurate up to 15ft, an exceptional shooter using his sight could be accurate up to 25ft, beyond that, sixguns were useless ...

The low slung "fast draw" holster was a rarity, most legit fast guns were crossdraw, right handed right hip holsters were used by everyone else ..

There was even a design back in the mid to late 1800's of a swivel holster for fast draw

 

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