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(since you JUST removed the workaround to get rid of it... That TONS of us used...)
Greetings. There is a petition going around as well, but:

We HAVE the option to remove the secondary pistol at the gunsmith, then why we do not have the option to remove that ugly and unrealistic secondary holster?????????
Just one more line in the clothing options, like "no bandolier" at the bandoliers. "No secondary fanny pack holster" BOOOOM everyone happy.

People started petitions about this, people found a workaround with saved outfits that  were saved -before- receiving the holster, so they DOES NOT HAD that ugly, unrealisticly aligned forced thing, and used their old outfits to remove it, and played happily with this workaround.

Yet the new patch DOES NOT add any option to remove the secondary (comical fanny pack..) holster, yet PATCHED the workaround, and removed outfits that were saved WITHOUT the fanny pack holster. !!!Basically removing content the user SAVED earlier in the game, that gave NO leverage. Removing user saved legal content.... ... See the problem here...?

Please be sensible, people who, for some reason, love this absolutely unrealisticly placed and aligned fanny pack thing, could leave it turned "on", while you could make ALOT of people -very happy- if you would give us the option (that we even had, with a workaround, just -you patched it- and took it away....) to TAKE OFF the unused secondary holster.

You can even link it to the gun itself, making sure that ppl can only remove the holster if they removed the gun first at the gunsmith, or any way you like...

Just add one TINY LITTLE line at the clothing options, saying "no secondary holster".

Please... This is a really stupid aesthetic, and very typically should be a customizable feature... So please make it selectable instead of forcing it, -absolutely- breaking the immersion for many people.
SINCE YOU REMOVED THE WORKAROUND in the latest patch that -we- found for ourselves,...... Pretty please..

Just in case, here is the petition:

https://www.change.org/p/rockstar-games-rockstar-games-to-add-option-to-unequip-off-hand-holster-in-rdr2?recruiter=71415221&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=psf_combo_share_abi.pacific_abi_select_all_contacts.select_all.pacific_email_copy_en_gb_4.v1.pacific_email_copy_en_us_3.control.pacific_email_copy_en_us_5.v1.pacific_post_sap_share_gmail_abi.control.lightning_2primary_share_options_more.variant&utm_content=fht-13762431-en-gb%3Av6&fbclid=IwAR2NrTtAuR8ot9_OdciHDNttwFZTWzcb8oRwXIS9MAPALJU7Mxyc4YkGCwQ

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You can add an even simplier solution: add a "no weapon" choice to the weapon wheel while selecting off-hand pistol, (like on the "on your back" weapon) then link the holster to it as well... No gun there, no need for a holster- does not show up. So no need to visit the gunsmith, no need to change the clothing menu...

pick -any- solution, but give us BACK the freedom to remove it... (that you took, along with our LEGALLY saved outfits....)

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I never really understood people who came down like vultures on any attempt to have -more- -optional- features in a game.
If you don't like it, you don't use it. But sh*t flinging on people who aim for -more- customization is like fighting for nothing.
"I hate you because you would like to include something I would never use". XD maaan.
No optional extra content / features ever hurt anyone. It is a really smart cause to fight -against- it....

Who does it hurt, if you can -remove- something? You are one of those who like it? Then f*** leave it turned ON.
+we already had the option to get rid of it, and they solved to take it away by -erasing- absolutely legally saved old outfits.

This kid is 36 years old - working in the DevOps field. (not on games sadly..)
If you do not give feedback, then there are no changes going to be made -ever-. Cussing on other's feedback is "I despise you because you prefer a slightly more options in gameplay than I do". XD now THAT is childish.

Last but not least: if rdr2.org has nothing to do with red dead redemption officially, then, ok, I took the wrong turn XD

"Entitled" XD ... We -always- gave feedback on ANY games EVER made. Were a bug tracker for long years for different games 10 years ago.
it would be "entitled" to cry for it to make the game easier... PPl used to do that, then 3 years of game industry spitted out tons of nerfed games without any challenge XDDDDD

But campaigning or petitioning for minuscule changes that add more immersion, and absolutely optional is nothing "hideous" or bad sort.
Maybe you don't really know much about software development, but feedback and communication were always part of the process, mate.

And one of these things is, if someone takes away an option that originally were there usually creates ALOT of negative feedback from users.

If you shitting on the feedback as a user... JUST becase "why someone wants it"... :D is outright hilarious.

Anyway, people can sign this stuff if they want- even if there are no developers visiting this forum- still a tad more for the headcount.
 

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5 minutes ago, Nobon said:

"I hate you because you would like to include something I would never use". XD maaan.

Nobody criticized your suggestion, just your choice of petitioning R* to implement it.

Someone posted a link R* gave them for suggestions, I'll try to dig that up for you.

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www.rockstargames.com/mouthoff

 

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That's not my petition XD I just found it. IF someone like to sign it. People petitioning for everything these days... Can't hurt ^^

I will appreciate any info, thanks.
Maaaaan I will going to get a lot of shite for this, I feel it... Still, wanna' get back my usual gameplay XD

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Thanks, I posted my suggestion(s) on https://www.rockstargames.com/mouthoff as well.

after the petition, next thing is to make a demonstration, no, a full-scale riot on the yards of the Rockstars headquarters...
Wearing pink secondary holsters, all facing the wrong way, like ingame.
Tens of thousands with pink fanny pack holsters. blocking the exits... As this topic is a lot more important than food or healthcare

(entitled pun intended....)

XDDD thank you for the link, seriously.

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32 minutes ago, Nobon said:

I never really understood people who came down like vultures on any attempt to have -more- -optional- features in a game.
If you don't like it, you don't use it. But sh*t flinging on people who aim for -more- customization is like fighting for nothing.
"I hate you because you would like to include something I would never use". XD maaan.
No optional extra content / features ever hurt anyone. It is a really smart cause to fight -against- it....

Who does it hurt, if you can -remove- something? You are one of those who like it? Then f*** leave it turned ON.
+we already had the option to get rid of it, and they solved to take it away by -erasing- absolutely legally saved old outfits.

This kid is 36 years old - working in the DevOps field. (not on games sadly..)
If you do not give feedback, then there are no changes going to be made -ever-. Cussing on other's feedback is "I despise you because you prefer a slightly more options in gameplay than I do". XD now THAT is childish.

Last but not least: if rdr2.org has nothing to do with red dead redemption officially, then, ok, I took the wrong turn XD

"Entitled" XD ... We -always- gave feedback on ANY games EVER made. Were a bug tracker for long years for different games 10 years ago.
it would be "entitled" to cry for it to make the game easier... PPl used to do that, then 3 years of game industry spitted out tons of nerfed games without any challenge XDDDDD

But campaigning or petitioning for minuscule changes that add more immersion, and absolutely optional is nothing "hideous" or bad sort.
Maybe you don't really know much about software development, but feedback and communication were always part of the process, mate.

And one of these things is, if someone takes away an option that originally were there usually creates ALOT of negative feedback from users.

If you shitting on the feedback as a user... JUST becase "why someone wants it"... :D is outright hilarious.

Anyway, people can sign this stuff if they want- even if there are no developers visiting this forum- still a tad more for the headcount.
 

I agree to a point.   Options are good, but why not change your approach to those who don't see things the way you do.  Not every debate requires heated arguments, when you could take the time to hear the other side.  

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6 minutes ago, YodaMan 3D said:

I agree to a point.   Options are good, but why not change your approach to those who don't see things the way you do.  Not every debate requires heated arguments, when you could take the time to hear the other side.  

There are no heated argument here. I posted my "message" here, basically aimed for the developers, mistaking the forum for an official one- received some heat as an "entitled kid", answered to those lines in a similar manner to keep the balance XD while admitted my mistake taking this place as an official one. but I received some creative and useful info since. Noone is out for blood here.

There were some pun exchange I believe, and that's it. But thanks for your view- you have some truth there.

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Naw, pink holsters are going to be a real life merchandise to protest against oppression of the non-secondary-holster lifestyle XD
by the way, if you can get 100 ppl together who would like to have a pink fanny holster to join our revolution, I will gladly arrange to make them, for a small little sum XD

 

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Very easy: You have those 2 holsters. Imagine it on yourself.

Then quickly, or without using another hand OR breaking your wrist, take one of them out with your left hand.... XDDDDD

Because in dual wield, he snaps it out teleport-like...

Both are aligned for the -right- hand only.

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4 minutes ago, Nobon said:

Very easy: You have those 2 holsters. Imagine it on yourself.

Then quickly, or without using another hand OR breaking your wrist, take one of them out with your left hand.... XDDDDD

Because in dual wield, he snaps it out teleport-like...

Both are aligned for the -right- hand only.

Maybe some of us have two right hands.  After all, haven't you heard the expression, "dancing with two left feet"?  

"He shoots like he has two right hands".

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42 minutes ago, Nobon said:

Very easy: You have those 2 holsters. Imagine it on yourself.

Then quickly, or without using another hand OR breaking your wrist, take one of them out with your left hand.... XDDDDD

Because in dual wield, he snaps it out teleport-like...

Both are aligned for the -right- hand only.

That's not the holster.  .....it's the animation.  If anything, the whole idea of "dual-wielding" is unrealistic in itself, not the inclusion of a cross draw holster oriented for the players strong hand. 

Ever fire and reload an SAA or similar?  I own a Blackhawk and I'll tell ya, I wouldn't want to reload that thing in a gunfight.  I'd much rather draw a second.  It's bad enough with a speed reloader in a modern 629 revolver under pressure. 

Other than that, I agree that there should be more options in gun belts, holsters and styles to even include shoulder rigs.  

....and btw, the whole idea of being able to draw with your left hand from a right hand cross draw holster may not be ideal but is certainly not "unrealistic".  I don't care for the dual-wielding action but I have no problem with idea of being able to draw with the opposite hand from this style of holster.

 

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20 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

That's not the holster.  .....it's the animation.  If anything, the whole idea of "dual-wielding" is unrealistic in itself, not the inclusion of a cross draw holster oriented for the players strong hand. 

Ever fire and reload an SAA or similar?  I own a Blackhawk and I'll tell ya, I wouldn't want to reload that thing in a gunfight.  I'd much rather draw a second.  It's bad enough with a speed reloader in a modern 629 revolver under pressure. 

Other than that, I agree that there should be more options in gun belts, holsters and styles to even include shoulder rigs.  

....and btw, the whole idea of being able to draw with your left hand from a right hand cross draw holster may not be ideal but is certainly not "unrealistic".  I don't care for the dual-wielding action but I have no problem with idea of being able to draw with the opposite hand from this style of holster.

 

I get your point, cross draw -is- a thing, but imagine this FAR more to the right, and FAR more twisted in angle closer to the right side... And not almost upright like in the video- but alot mor facing right.
Not -impossible- to use it with the left hand, but you even need to bow a bit forward, move your left hand AAAAAALLL the way to the right, twist your wrist, keep your hand very close to your stomach while getting it out, and when you finally got the gun out from THAT position, it would take a very long way to point it out to shoot.

If they serious about the positioning on THAT holster, and doesn't want to change it,  I would add a huge delay, before he can get both guns out...
While the belt Dutch uses allows for a dual quick draw.

For a secondary gun for the right hand only, the one ingame is even more convenient than the one in this video. But I think they just f***d up to add a properly positioned cross-draw holster...

if it would be more on the left, and far more upright, like in this video, it would allow for a normal time left-hand draw, compared to the quick-draw that possible from the right hand holster by right.

Anyway, I never vouched to get rid of the holster permanently, I don't even want to change it's layout.. If someone likes it, have their fun with it- I'm all in for freedom in gameplay.

But we had an option to get rid of it before the patch, then give that option back. This is the only source of my whining-

 

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40 minutes ago, Nobon said:

I get your point, cross draw -is- a thing, but imagine this FAR more to the right, and FAR more twisted in angle closer to the right side... And not almost upright like in the video- but alot mor facing right.
Not -impossible- to use it with the left hand, but you even need to bow a bit forward, move your left hand AAAAAALLL the way to the right, twist your wrist, keep your hand very close to your stomach while getting it out, and when you finally got the gun out from THAT position, it would take a very long way to point it out to shoot.

If they serious about the positioning on THAT holster, and doesn't want to change it,  I would add a huge delay, before he can get both guns out...
While the belt Dutch uses allows for a dual quick draw.

For a secondary gun for the right hand only, the one ingame is even more convenient than the one in this video. But I think they just f***d up to add a properly positioned cross-draw holster...

if it would be more on the left, and far more upright, like in this video, it would allow for a normal time left-hand draw, compared to the quick-draw that possible from the right hand holster by right.

Anyway, I never vouched to get rid of the holster permanently, I don't even want to change it's layout.. If someone likes it, have their fun with it- I'm all in for freedom in gameplay.

But we had an option to get rid of it before the patch, then give that option back. This is the only source of my whining-

 

i agree with @Kean_1 the more i think about this.  Dual wielding pistols or revolvers is a hollywood fad and quite impractical in the real world.  More likely he'd draw his main pistol from the side holster, drop it when he emptied it, draw the 2nd pistol from the front holster, empty it, then go for the rifles on his back.  Or vice versa.  

Holsters are situated correctly, and only 1 or 2 are ugly, like the master hunter one.

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I am not sure Rockstar will give two cow craps about a petition. Most petitions issued by people these days just get laughed at. Remember that one about deporting Justin Beiber from the US? Like I said, God speed man but I am not sure you will get anywhere with this unless it is something they already planned on changing. 

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16 hours ago, HIGHHorse said:

I am not sure Rockstar will give two cow craps about a petition. Most petitions issued by people these days just get laughed at. Remember that one about deporting Justin Beiber from the US? Like I said, God speed man but I am not sure you will get anywhere with this unless it is something they already planned on changing. 

agreed.  as the joke on my co-workers cube says - Petitions are like meetings. a waste of time for everyone, and an excuse for 1 lonely person to get attention.

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On 11/28/2018 at 7:52 AM, Nobon said:

(since you JUST removed the workaround to get rid of it... That TONS of us used...)
Greetings. There is a petition going around as well, but:

We HAVE the option to remove the secondary pistol at the gunsmith, then why we do not have the option to remove that ugly and unrealistic secondary holster?????????
Just one more line in the clothing options, like "no bandolier" at the bandoliers. "No secondary fanny pack holster" BOOOOM everyone happy.

People started petitions about this, people found a workaround with saved outfits that  were saved -before- receiving the holster, so they DOES NOT HAD that ugly, unrealisticly aligned forced thing, and used their old outfits to remove it, and played happily with this workaround.

Yet the new patch DOES NOT add any option to remove the secondary (comical fanny pack..) holster, yet PATCHED the workaround, and removed outfits that were saved WITHOUT the fanny pack holster. !!!Basically removing content the user SAVED earlier in the game, that gave NO leverage. Removing user saved legal content.... ... See the problem here...?

Please be sensible, people who, for some reason, love this absolutely unrealisticly placed and aligned fanny pack thing, could leave it turned "on", while you could make ALOT of people -very happy- if you would give us the option (that we even had, with a workaround, just -you patched it- and took it away....) to TAKE OFF the unused secondary holster.

You can even link it to the gun itself, making sure that ppl can only remove the holster if they removed the gun first at the gunsmith, or any way you like...

Just add one TINY LITTLE line at the clothing options, saying "no secondary holster".

Please... This is a really stupid aesthetic, and very typically should be a customizable feature... So please make it selectable instead of forcing it, -absolutely- breaking the immersion for many people.
SINCE YOU REMOVED THE WORKAROUND in the latest patch that -we- found for ourselves,...... Pretty please..

 

I actually sent Rockstar support a pretty angry ticket about this and my missing outfits.  I started up my manual save prior to "Blessed are the meek" where you get the 2nd holster, and the game still allowed me to use my saved outfits without the offhand holster after completing the mission after the patch.  I've been reading that if you then load your game after this, your custom outfits are removed (forgot to test this).  But that is just insane.

So yea, as with everyone, my saves after the mission that had custom outfits with no off hand holster were deleted.  That means Rockstar specifically went in and deleted our custom outfits that were saved with no off hand holster.

Because now that I'm halfway through chapter 6, with a perfect play through to my liking, I'm now using this holster which I cannot stand.  (I hate the location, I hate how Arthur draws and puts away his gun in it, I especially hate how it vanishes in cutscenes like it's glitched).

Especially now playing Guarma where there is no dual wield, how easy it could be to just put in an option to remove off hand hoslter and use the single wield gun wheel.

So now I'll probably just live with it, use the upgraded off hand one so its black and pretend it's not there since I'm so close to the end.  But come on Rockstar because now that online is out, you can pretty much forget anymore story mode updates.

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I came across a Rockstar contact form which apparently the developers want us to use for suggestions.

I recommend everyone contact Rockstar and let them know we want an option to allow us to hide the off hand holster or single wield since the work around has been removed.

https://www.rockstargames.com/mouthoff

I had already sent a ticket in their support section in a few days ago regarding the deleted outfits.  Typically they are pretty quick in responding but I've yet to get a response from my ticket.

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On 11/28/2018 at 11:59 PM, HIGHHorse said:

I am not sure Rockstar will give two cow craps about a petition. Most petitions issued by people these days just get laughed at. Remember that one about deporting Justin Beiber from the US? Like I said, God speed man but I am not sure you will get anywhere with this unless it is something they already planned on changing. 

i don't know Petitions worked for the Biker Community on GTA and they listened  plus a lot of post begging for it on social club and they got there DLC they wanted  i mean we are not asking for a full Update Dedicated to us  for single player just a small thing to be added in the next patch to be fair could not really care for the multiplayer to many fun things to do in single player plus a great story i will happily complete again 

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If R* wants to keep it realistic , when you choose not to equip a 2nd holster you should have to go through a reload animation or select a new weapon with the weapon wheel.

But I suspect this is more about appearances than actual functionality....

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