BropolloCreed79 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: You among others keep ignoring my point just to yell at a wall with "hur dur muh harassment" "you just wanna grief people" ect when ive said nothing of the sort Nothing wrong with keeping a part of the game the same as it is now and have a pve/pvp mode enabled server for normies. You have repeatedly advocated for "keeping it the way it is", and played the victim, calling anyone who doesn't agree with your anarchistic utopia a "normie" (it's practically become a crutch for you) which is a pejorative term. There has been no interest in a civil discussion from this topic by you other than to denigrate folks who disagree. 1 1
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Truth said: Except that it segregates players... I agree with the OP, having separate severs for PVP and Passive players is a good idea... like in gta when some A**HOLE is repeatedly killing me so i decide to get some revenge then POOF he's in passive mode and i can't do anything about it that sh*t sucks man, and if not separate severs there needs to be something done to avoid situations like that.. maybe just bring back "bad sport" lobbies but tweak the requirements 1
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said: You have repeatedly advocated for "keeping it the way it is", and played the victim, calling anyone who doesn't agree with your anarchistic utopia a "normie" (it's practically become a crutch for you) which is a pejorative term. There has been no interest in a civil discussion from this topic by you other than to denigrate folks who disagree. Point to me playing the victim. and yeah catering to this is very normie, if you have another word go for it. Also just trying to have a discussion and try to ensure i can still play the game the way it is. If you perceive this as "degenerating" thats on you. Edited November 29, 2018 by the uncucked canuck
Truth Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, sLLiMM said: I agree with the OP, having separate severs for PVP and Passive players is a good idea... like in gta when some A**HOLE is repeatedly killing me so i decide to get some revenge then POOF he's in passive mode and i can't do anything about it that sh*t sucks man, and if not separate severs there needs to be something done to avoid situations like that.. maybe just bring back "bad sport" lobbies but tweak the requirements I think removing players from the map would solve the problem. Like I've said before, you can't troll me if you can't find me. I don't really want a passive mode, I would rather it remain one mode that EVERYONE can enjoy. You still have to watch your back, but you're far less likely to encounter people that log on strictly to ruin the game for others. 4 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: Thats not what im saying at all. That's exactly what you're saying... 1
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 1 minute ago, Truth said: I think removing players from the map would solve the problem. Like I've said before, you can't troll me if you can't find me. I don't really want a passive mode, I would rather it remain one mode that EVERYONE can enjoy. You still have to watch your back, but you're far less likely to encounter people that log on strictly to ruin the game for others. That's exactly what you're saying... You can do exactly as you're saying under my suggestion. Switch back and fourth between pve and pvp. Just because you're going to have to create a new character to play under a strictly pvp server is completely understandable and has been done countless times in the past with great success. You being upset about this shouldn't be what removes the entire incentive in the game to watch ones back among other things for everyone else.
Truth Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: You being upset about this shouldn't be what removes the entire incentive in the game to watch ones back among other things for everyone else. I'm not asking for any extra modes at all (read the whole post you just quoted). We went over this yesterday... Just because other games have (or do) do it, doesn't mean I'm supposed to like it or want it in this game. GTAO has flying cars with rocket launchers, doesn't mean that will work in RDR...
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Just now, Truth said: I'm not asking for any extra modes at all (read the whole post you just quoted). We went over this yesterday... Just because other games have (or do) do it, doesn't mean I'm supposed to like it or want it in this game. GTAO has flying cars with rocket launchers, doesn't mean that will work in RDR... You absolutely are. Im fine with the game as it is now, and would like to continue playing it this way. You're either advocating to change it or have passive mode lite which is switching back and fourth. You're saying because you don't like the idea of creating a seperate character to play on passive mode enabled servers or hardcore servers that you need to subject everyone to it. How is that fair?
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 6 minutes ago, Truth said: I think removing players from the map would solve the problem. Yes it could (and probably would) solve the issue, but you got people who don't want player blips removed for various reasons.. Red Dead Redemption multiplayer gives players the option to join standard PVP servers or peaceful servers, where players can’t hurt each other. Considering one of the biggest problems fans have with GTA Online these days is other players killing them, it was nice to revisit a quieter time. 1
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 why don't they just bring this back? it worked in rdr1
kid-wtf Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 1 hour ago, the uncucked canuck said: It seems like you both are arguing with a complete strawman here. No one is saying you can't do as you say, im just saying i want side of it to remain the same instead of having passive mode or passive mode lite (switching between pve and pvp servers) forced upon me. My point is that if you kill for no reason you are an asshole, as of now free roam killing grants you nothing that you cannot get from playing matches with other like minded players. therefore having "open range killing" go unchecked you are going to run people out of the game. the people who are going to get run off are the ones i want to play with. so if the game remains in its current state, a lot of good players will not be playing. as it is now you will have the world as death match like you want and you will be playing with the 5-10%(mostly under 18) who agree that it is fun, while the rest of us move on. thats how online games die. unfortunatly we need to say our opinions over and over because devs make games in thier own vision so it takes 10 of us for every one that is happy to make them see the issues. i have no issue with your requesting it not be changed. but when i am able i will rebutle every argument you make to hopefully change the game to be something fun for me to play. after all not one of us paid $60+ so that others could have fun while we play and do not. 2
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, sLLiMM said: why don't they just bring this back? it worked in rdr1 Thats switching back and fourth which is passive mode lite. I just don't like the idea of having the only incentive to play on a PvP server to simply cause chaos, turning the servers into hellholes when it should be a nice mix, as its way more efficient to do anything else on PvE where you can't be killed.
BropolloCreed79 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: Point to me playing the victim. Okay. 5 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said: I find it cool that Rockstar did this, and if enough people whine and eventually something has to happen, they shouldn't ruin the game for everyone else in the process. Translation: "My experience will be ruined if they listen to feedback". 4 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said: Not everyone wants to have all incentive to grind in PVP and watching ones back taken away. Translation: "My rights! MY RIGHTS!!!" What about the rights of others? 2 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said: Im just arguing that the game should be left the same for those who want it to remain the same, and if enough people whine for passive mode they don't just mash both together killing all incentive to do missions or hunt or whatever in PVP in a crap attempt to appease everyone like GTA. Being constantly killed by a group of people when you are just trying to enjoy the online mode will do more to "kill all incentive to do missions or hunt or whatever" than having passive mode enabled. Enabling passive mode in a PvP environment literally would remove the ability to be griefed, that's it. So unless you're advocating for the ability to grief people, there's no reason to argue against passive mode. And don't feed me your recycled line about "enjoying having to watch my back"--it's disingenuous. Nobody is forcing you, personally, to enable passive mode, so having it available in a PvP setting literally does nothing to your personal experience with the game. Everything you're advocating is about enabling elitist trolling behavior, and no amount of spin or linguistic window dressing is going to change that. 1 hour ago, the uncucked canuck said: im just saying i want side of it to remain the same instead of having passive mode or passive mode lite (switching between pve and pvp servers) forced upon me. "forced upon" you, like a victim? 17 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: You among others keep ignoring my point just to yell at a wall with "hur dur muh harassment" "you just wanna grief people" ect when ive said nothing of the sort Nobody is ignoring your point, we're just calling out the logical fallacies within your arguments, and the contradictory nature of everything you've said. And claiming to be "ignored" is a classic victim move. 6 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: Thats not what im saying at all. I said go for having your dumb normie passive mode enabled server, so you can switch back and fourth whenever you want, and have others remain dedicated hardcore so they're on a level playing field with others who actually enjoy the concept of watching their backs. So now, you claim to be a victim of being misunderstood or misinterpreted? Ooooh, and yet another "normie" blast, (while calling it "dumb" to boot) and is that another victim statement, implying you'd become a victim of an uneven playing field if people could be passive? Oh, and is that another "watching their backs" reference? Your argument fails on multiple levels. Again, selective passive mode does nothing to impugn your enjoyment of having to "watch your back" if you opt to not activate that feature. There's no reason the two can't be on the same server, unless you're advocating for the ability to indiscriminately kill other players whenever you choose. You're beating around the bush and refusing to acknowledge your elitist desires. You want the prestige and glamour of ranking up on a full-pvp server so you can say, with pride, "I'm 1337 wtfpewpewgitgudnoob" Certified!!!! That's literally the only other reason to advocate your position, if, as you claim, it's not about being able to indiscriminately murder whomever you want whenever you'd like. 2 3
Truth Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: You absolutely are. Im fine with the game as it is now, and would like to continue playing it this way. I'm supporting a change to the existing mode, not suggesting an entirely new mode... I don't understand why you're so confused by this... 4 minutes ago, sLLiMM said: but you got people who don't want player blips removed for various reasons.. I can't think of any good reason to keep them other than for trolls, but I also haven't played online yet. I'll assume (for now) that there may be a decent reason. In GTAO it made sense. For one, there were phones (a realistic way that one could assume player locations would be communicated). Second, you could stop someone from completing a resupply/delivery mission and make some money (not sure if that's possible in RDR).
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said: Okay. Translation: "My experience will be ruined if they listen to feedback". Translation: "My rights! MY RIGHTS!!!" What about the rights of others? Being constantly killed by a group of people when you are just trying to enjoy the online mode will do more to "kill all incentive to do missions or hunt or whatever" than having passive mode enabled. Enabling passive mode in a PvP environment literally would remove the ability to be griefed, that's it. So unless you're advocating for the ability to grief people, there's no reason to argue against passive mode. And don't feed me your recycled line about "enjoying having to watch my back"--it's disingenuous. Nobody is forcing you, personally, to enable passive mode, so having it available in a PvP setting literally does nothing to your personal experience with the game. Everything you're advocating is about enabling elitist trolling behavior, and no amount of spin or linguistic window dressing is going to change that. "forced upon" you, like a victim? Nobody is ignoring your point, we're just calling out the logical fallacies within your arguments, and the contradictory nature of everything you've said. And claiming to be "ignored" is a classic victim move. So now, you claim to be a victim of being misunderstood or misinterpreted? Ooooh, and yet another "normie" blast, (while calling it "dumb" to boot) and is that another victim statement, implying you'd become a victim of an uneven playing field if people could be passive? Oh, and is that another "watching their backs" reference? Your argument fails on multiple levels. Again, selective passive mode does nothing to impugn your enjoyment of having to "watch your back" if you opt to not activate that feature. There's no reason the two can't be on the same server, unless you're advocating for the ability to indiscriminately kill other players whenever you choose. You're beating around the bush and refusing to acknowledge your elitist desires. You want the prestige and glamour of ranking up on a full-pvp server so you can say, with pride, "I'm 1337 wtfpewpewgitgudnoob" Certified!!!! That's literally the only other reason to advocate your position, if, as you claim, it's not about being able to indiscriminately murder whomever you want whenever you'd like. Translating what i say to argue with a strawman. Asserting things about me like "elitist desires" and "playing the victim" Accusing me hurling pejoratives at AN OBJECT (a passive mode server) probably to justify a ban because you don't like my opinion. Directly called someone a normie in my first post ever as a meme/joke which received two warning points from you, being the first and last im allowed, and haven't done it since. Everyone else here is having a good back and fourth getting their points across. You're the one being needlessly hostile. Im not going to bother having a discussion with you when you're going to act like this. Good day sir. Edited November 29, 2018 by the uncucked canuck 1
kid-wtf Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 30 minutes ago, Truth said: So if I want to play a more casual way (PvE server) and start there, and my friends choose to start their game on a PvP server, none of us should have to completely restart the game just so we can play with each other for a bit. That makes no sense whatsoever. exactly this.... in fact if you want to be a griefer you should in fact be forced to take on a toon that is super leveled from playing in a pve enviornment where R* has ensured they spent time and effort into it. and then they spank your little punk ass and should be able to loot everything including your hat, horse, and guns if you instigated the issue. because in real life if you run up on me i am going to shoot you, take everthing but your drawers, and take a piss on you, just for being stupid. in the current state of the game i get zero satisfaction from revenge and neither of us did anything but gain very little exp and waste alot of time. not to mention i can gank you, ruin your mission or whatever, leave the lobby and in two minutes spawn right back in a game in a completely different state. doesnt sound like immersion or really any fun at all to me.
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Truth said: I'm supporting a change to the existing mode, not suggesting an entirely new mode... I don't understand why you're so confused by this... I can't think of any good reason to keep them other than for trolls, but I also haven't played online yet. I'll assume (for now) that there may be a decent reason. In GTAO it made sense. For one, there were phones (a realistic way that one could assume player locations would be communicated). Second, you could stop someone from completing a resupply/delivery mission and make some money (not sure if that's possible in RDR). i used player blips to make friends... i'd hop in a lobby find out where all the people were, hop in some random guys car ride around get shot at shoot back etc.. the fact is A LOT of people enjoy mindlessly killing each other that's why it's such a problem in gta having passive mode in a sever where you can harm other players is bad.. it isn't right that i could kill a guy 5 times in a row then go passive and he can't do anything about it i mean he could report me but it wouldn't do as good a job as reporting spoilers on here in turn having two servers in the best option (in my opinion) SERVER 1: PVP SERVER 2: PASSIVE Edited November 29, 2018 by sLLiMM
kid-wtf Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 creed79 proposed passive mode similar to GTAo. i do not agree entirely, i have seen many times where trolls are able to use passive mode in a variety of ways to impede enjoyment. i say however you log in is how you must stay. ie: i log in passive mode, i cannot switch out to kill soneone who is on a mission. disrput said mission, then slip back to passive mode so theyccannot exaxct revenge. so if you log in passive you must go to main menu, log back into the servers in normal mode. someone also commented that canuck is a leaderboard hound. cant/wont comment on that legitamacy. but to me being #1337 on any leaderboard is of ZERO importance as is "being good" or "competetive" that is not why i play games online. i play games online to enjoy adventures i never could in real life with friends from all over the globe. i should never, not ever, have to endure, for one minute, any bullsh*t from some punk kid to do that. 1
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 18 minutes ago, Truth said: I'm supporting a change to the existing mode, not suggesting an entirely new mode... I don't understand why you're so confused by this... I can't think of any good reason to keep them other than for trolls, but I also haven't played online yet. I'll assume (for now) that there may be a decent reason. In GTAO it made sense. For one, there were phones (a realistic way that one could assume player locations would be communicated). Second, you could stop someone from completing a resupply/delivery mission and make some money (not sure if that's possible in RDR). The change effects everyone, and doesn't have to. Also yeah remove the blips, unless its close proximity gunfire or a buddy or something reasonable.
the uncucked canuck Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, kid-wtf said: someone also commented that canuck is a leaderboard hound. cant/wont comment on that legitamacy. Yeah its pretty lame when someone pulls something directly out of their rectum about you to further their narrative instead of addressing what you're trying to say.
BropolloCreed79 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 17 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: Accusing me hurling pejoratives at AN OBJECT (a passive mode server) probably to justify a ban because you don't like my opinion. And now you're the victim of accusations, too, I suppose. 1 1
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said: unless its close proximity gunfire or a buddy or something reasonable. Best option as of right now 1
Truth Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, sLLiMM said: i used player blips to make friends... i'd hop in a lobby find out where all the people were, hop in some random guys car ride around get shot at shoot back etc.. Sounds like something I would do once in a while, but we're definitely in the minority there. Most people just use it to troll. There's no way to ignore that fact. 1
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 minutes ago, Truth said: Sounds like something I would do once in a while, but we're definitely in the minority there. Most people just use it to troll. There's no way to ignore that fact. I think bringing bad sport lobbies back is a good idea just they need to be more strict about it
sLLiMM Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Poggy said: My proposed fixes would be: change the way players appear on map animation fix A few safe zones beyond camp (like churches or sheriffs offices) easier, cheaper fast travel bounties/penalties for repeat killing of the same player 1
Kean_1 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 8 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said: You have repeatedly advocated for "keeping it the way it is", and played the victim, calling anyone who doesn't agree with your anarchistic utopia a "normie" (it's practically become a crutch for you) which is a pejorative term. There has been no interest in a civil discussion from this topic by you other than to denigrate folks who disagree. ....yeah, the "noob" and "dumb normie" remarks are belittling. It's not fooling anyone and when he gets the reaction one would expect when someone is being insulting to others opinions, he pulls the victim card. One more to add to my growing list of ignored users. Fact is, the current state of RDO is in no way reflective of all elements that will be in the final product. I tend to take a wait and see approach but there have already been indications in the code that we will have similar session options like we do in GTAVO. If so, it makes sense that R* does not want to implement them at this point in the beta to stress test the servers and make it less complicated when dealing with issues. .....keeping everyone in one pot. My guess is that when they feel the game is stable in its current form, they will gradually begin to introduce more options for players like (possibly) private / friends only sessions. 2
rick249kdr Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 4 minutes ago, sLLiMM said: it isn't right that i could kill a guy 5 times in a row. Fixed that for you. I've enjoyed this thread. If I had the final say in how this gets changed/fixed it would be this; Make senseless killing horribly inconvenient. Bounties that deplete your cash and if you can't pay, you can't play (jail) for a real life amount of time. Relentless waves of bounty hunters. Make committing terrible crimes come with terrible consequences. If you're willing to pay them, ok. But this doesn't seem to be the Rockstar way. The trolling is encouraged because they spend the money online. And if not for making money, online wouldn't be around. 1 minute ago, sLLiMM said: I think bringing bad sport lobbies back is a good idea just they need to be more strict about it SALT MINES!!!!! 1 1
Truth Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 10 minutes ago, rick249kdr said: SALT MINES!!!!! Whoever came up with the idea of calling it that deserves a raise.
BropolloCreed79 Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 13 minutes ago, rick249kdr said: SALT MINES!!!!! We have actual salt mines here where I live. I'd love to tour them, but they've closed them to the public. My grandfather used to be a lineman for the phone company back in the 50's through the late 70's, and he had some great stories from having to go down there and service the phones. Granted, a lot of his stories were good (the ones from the funeral home and the butcher being particular favorites) but the ones from the salt mines were always fascinating.
Jota Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 Completely agree with OP. I was trying to do the wolf quest and was outgunned by this camper. I would spawn and he's right there shooting me before I can do anything. There should be times, zones or moments during quests or when crafting where you can't get attacked or spawn killed constantly because it's just going to put people off. 2
Jota Posted November 29, 2018 Posted November 29, 2018 6 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said: No i find it fun to have a game where everyone can enjoy watching their back and having incentive to group up or avoid players while riding alone. I find it fun knowing that everyone risked their butt for the same reward i did, instead of grinding in PVE only to come out of it when looking for blood in PVP I find it cool that Rockstar did this, and if enough people whine and eventually something has to happen, they shouldn't ruin the game for everyone else in the process. There should be normie passive mode allowed servers and separate PVP servers with separate characters The only people ruining the game are those whose only idea of fun is exploiting the spawn mechanics. 2
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