No thanks,.... idiotic with idiots

[Mazier_Drave]

So today I get the on-line beta .... first part of it fine ... However the instant I go into Blackwater on free roam, immediate idiot fest...... Two little fools seperately attack me and kill me... because I am not even paying them attention. Why would I? 

This is why I NEVER play on-line, this is why i never payed GTA5 on line or COD on line or anything else on line...... If I wanted to mix with moronic idiots then I would go out and find some  ... So unless Rockstar or whomever find some way to shut down the pond life... Then no thanks, not for me.

If these puerile little ****s wish to fight there should be a process... a process in which I can refuse... Indeed there should be a menu choice which says "No interaction whatsoever with any other live player with an IQ below 140"

That's my opinion and frankly I care less what anyone else thinks because I do not have the wiring to care.

 

[the uncucked canuck]

Yet another person trying to restrict everyone elses freedom because they had bad luck or should have been more careful.

Let me guess, you want to give it a passive mode?

[McLawDiz]

20 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Yet another person trying to restrict everyone elses freedom because they had bad luck or should have been more careful.

Let me guess, you want to give it a passive mode?

Ehm... What? - So you are one of those actually finding it fun to spawn kill everyone moving?

I agree with the poster of this. - The biggest problem is all the GTA Snotnoses running around ruining it for everyone!

[the uncucked canuck]

7 minutes ago, McLawDiz said:

Ehm... What? - So you are one of those actually finding it fun to spawn kill everyone moving?

I agree with the poster of this. - The biggest problem is all the GTA Snotnoses running around ruining it for everyone!

No i find it fun to have a game where everyone can enjoy watching their back and having incentive to group up or avoid players while riding alone.

I find it fun knowing that everyone risked their butt for the same reward i did, instead of grinding in PVE only to come out of it when looking for blood in PVP

I find it cool that Rockstar did this, and if enough people whine and eventually something has to happen, they shouldn't ruin the game for everyone else in the process.

There should be normie passive mode allowed servers and separate PVP servers with separate characters

[McLawDiz]

3 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

No i find it fun to have a game where everyone can enjoy watching their back and having incentive to group up or avoid players while riding alone.

I find it fun knowing that everyone risked their butt for the same reward i did, instead of grinding in PVE only to come out of it when looking for blood in PVP

I find it cool that Rockstar did this, and if enough people whine and eventually something has to happen, they shouldn't ruin the game for everyone else in the process.

There should be normie passive mode allowed servers and separate PVP servers with separate characters

I was hoping you wanted to give a longer answer to your post.. Cause the first one, did not specify what you meant 🙂

However, YES! i am one of those who want a passive mode. I like to explore alone, but also with my gang. but my gang would NEVER rape people online, cause i see no fun in that. 

IF Rockstar dont make TOTAL Passive mode, they should atleast remove the Red Blimps on the map.. They should only appear shortly if someone shoots at another player. (Imo)

[the uncucked canuck]

18 minutes ago, McLawDiz said:

I was hoping you wanted to give a longer answer to your post.. Cause the first one, did not specify what you meant 🙂

However, YES! i am one of those who want a passive mode. I like to explore alone, but also with my gang. but my gang would NEVER rape people online, cause i see no fun in that. 

IF Rockstar dont make TOTAL Passive mode, they should atleast remove the Red Blimps on the map.. They should only appear shortly if someone shoots at another player. (Imo)

Then there should be special servers for you. Not everyone wants to ride up to rob someone just to find out they're invulnerable. Not everyone wants to have all incentive to grind in PVP and watching ones back taken away.

Edited November 29, 2018 by the uncucked canuck

[McLawDiz]

11 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Then there should be special servers for you. Not everyone wants to ride up to rob someone just to find out they're invulnerable. Not everyone wants to have all incentive to grind in PVP and watching ones back taken away.

Me (We) should atleast have the choice. There are guys like you, wanting to take advantage, and kill just for the fun of it. 

We will have to wait and see what Rockstar comes up with. 

[Poggy]

There's a fine line between having a system which encourages careful play and creates a genuine sense of danger, and a system where it is too frustrating to play because you are repeatedly grief killed for no real reason and have any attempt to hunt, explore, shop, ride or do missions perma-wrecked.

I don't know what the solution is.  I've simply taken to revenge killing until they leave the game if anyone grief kills me.  I keep a record of their name and will attempt to ruin their day whenever I see them on the map.  Trouble is, creating such feuds means all other aspects of the game are unplayable.

[kid-wtf]

when you kill someone, player or NPC, the game aknowledges that you commited "murder" but there is no benefit or repurcusions to this most of the time as even getting a "bounty" goes away as soon as you die (an unpunished death). i suggest either a passive (pve) server or private rooms where its only open to invite and friends. (i believe GTAo has this fearure). there are hundreds of games to play if you just want to shoot people and have it mean absolutly nothing. as it stands now the whole map is just one big death match game. i agree with the others when i say i wont be playing if it continues to be nothing more than "CoD cowboys". an intersting idea might be to be able to place bounties (like GTA) or a jail system where basically you cant play cause your toon is in jail for "x" hours because you got caught being a dickhead. while i know execution of these systems is complex and takes time. this is a beta so maybe if we continue to put our thoughts out there rockstar will make attempts to move away from grief supporting systems to a system that punishes players who just want to slow progress of others for thier own enjoyment. remember this is a BETA. the dual purposes being, to figure out what is broken and get feedback as to what people play and how. i think amongst adults (the people with money to buy the game) we want a western adventure with our friends far more than we want to "compete' against people we dont know. these are just my thoughts on this topic. agree or dont and go ahead and post thats what betas are for.

[madfretter]

There needs to be a heavy bounty for murder or jail time if they don't have money to pay the bounty.  This would force the trolls to actually have to play missions to come up with money to pay their bounties. 

 

It is so tiring hearing "I enjoy being chased, pvp honor,  it's fun to have to watch your back....blah blah blah..."  There is nothing wrong with a some of that in a mixed balanced game. I don't want the game nerfed, I just want people who exist online to stop others from playing to be controlled.   Imagine an NFL game where the teams kept  trying to kick the ball every down.... Silly right?

[HuDawg]

2 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

No i find it fun to have a game where everyone can enjoy watching their back and having incentive to group up or avoid players while riding alone.

I find it fun knowing that everyone risked their butt for the same reward i did, instead of grinding in PVE only to come out of it when looking for blood in PVP

You seem to think this game is all about grinding..   While its just one aspect of the game

Myself and friend where just hunting yesterday to stock up on food.  In comes a four person posse and starts killing us.   So we started killing them back.   Basically we slaughtered each other over and over again, for over an hour.  We actually tried to leave the area after 20 mins, but they killed our horses.  After out horses got merked we decided to just keep killing them.

Now.. we actually enjoy killing players (hate the auto aim tho)..  But we stuck around for that one hour battle.    People who don't care for pvp would probably have had to quit the lobby. 

Forcing pvp on to players who have no interest in it... isn't fun for non pvp folks.

 

 

Edited November 29, 2018 by HuDawg

[the uncucked canuck]

23 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

You seem to think this game is all about grinding..   While its just one aspect of the game

Myself and friend where just hunting yesterday to stock up on food.  In comes a four person posse and starts killing us.   So we started killing them back.   Basically we slaughtered each other over and over again, for over an hour.  We actually tried to leave the area after 20 mins, but they killed our horses.  After out horses got merked we decided to just keep killing them.

Now.. we actually enjoy killing players (hate the auto aim tho)..  But we stuck around for that one hour battle.    People who don't care for pvp would probably have had to quit the lobby. 

Forcing pvp on to players who have no interest in it... isn't fun for non pvp folks.

 

 

Theres nothing wrong with segregating normies who want to have passive mode allowable from others who want to be locked into a legit pvp experience with everyone else

[john013]

2 hours ago, McLawDiz said:

Ehm... What? - So you are one of those actually finding it fun to spawn kill everyone moving?

I agree with the poster of this. - The biggest problem is all the GTA Snotnoses running around ruining it for everyone!

No that poor souls of killing any1 random, they suck at Battlefield . Thats why they go on killing any1 in rdr online.  So i have played the full storymode off rdr2  as so on rdr, whas lots off fun. But i give it a little time so Rockstar can work on it. If it's stay's to long like this a will return my game. When i want to shoot every1 i start up battlefield not rdronline.

[McLawDiz]

5 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Theres nothing wrong with segregating normies who want to have passive mode allowable from others who want to be locked into a legit pvp experience with everyone else

Then stop complaining about those who want anything else than JUST PvP experience! 

- It sounds like the only reason you dont approve this, is because it takes the FUN away from you, since you sound alot like a griefer! 

[Poggy]

Proposal:

change the way players appear on map

fix animation killing issue 

cheaper/easier fast travel

bounties/penalties for repeated killing of same player

Town safe zones in churches and sheriff offices

[the uncucked canuck]

29 minutes ago, McLawDiz said:

Then stop complaining about those who want anything else than JUST PvP experience! 

- It sounds like the only reason you dont approve this, is because it takes the FUN away from you, since you sound alot like a griefer! 

First of all thats not how i play, and even if i was you have no ground to assume that as if it would even matter.

Im just arguing that the game should be left the same for those who want it to remain the same, and if enough people whine for passive mode they don't just mash both together killing all incentive to do missions or hunt or whatever in PVP in a crap attempt to appease everyone like GTA.

[Bonzai]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Forcing pvp on to players who have no interest in it... isn't fun for non pvp folks.

Apparently anyone else that don't want to be griefied just for sports is in the wrong here... enjoying the game for what it offers besides killing everything that the sun touches isn't fun or to be cared about so **** everyone that asks for that.
As long as it doesn't spoil my fun of killing everyone needlessly I couldn't care less about the other people's fun.

Sarcasm apart, if you wish you could let them kill you three times, you can then activate "parley" and for 10 minutes the little goblin can't ransack you. I for one am to proud to use that action and usually end up like you said... killing them back until one side quits.

[McLawDiz]

7 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

First of all thats not how i play, and even if i was you have no ground to assume that as if it would even matter.

Im just arguing that the game should be left the same for those who want it to remain the same, and if enough people whine for passive mode they don't just mash both together killing all incentive to do missions or hunt or whatever in PVP in a crap attempt to appease everyone like GTA.

Normally, i am a good guy! ALSO in games! i am not the one who starts shooting at everything that moves. So i DO approve a passive mode, and i know that pains griefers , snotnosed kids, and so on. But let that be that, that would solve my complaining! 

- IF thats not possible, i hope they just Remove the red dots on the map, so that no one can see no one, unless they start shooting.. else would not make sence, and it would be much more fun, and more WESTERN, to actually run away and hide somewhere, and the kids actually have to FIND you, to TROLL you. 

Also, just a side comment.. Others than me, that thinks the hair & beard growing thing should be the same in online as in Single player? (im a sucker for realism) 

[the uncucked canuck]

4 minutes ago, McLawDiz said:

Normally, i am a good guy! ALSO in games! i am not the one who starts shooting at everything that moves. So i DO approve a passive mode, and i know that pains griefers , snotnosed kids, and so on. But let that be that, that would solve my complaining! 

- IF thats not possible, i hope they just Remove the red dots on the map, so that no one can see no one, unless they start shooting.. else would not make sence, and it would be much more fun, and more WESTERN, to actually run away and hide somewhere, and the kids actually have to FIND you, to TROLL you. 

Also, just a side comment.. Others than me, that thinks the hair & beard growing thing should be the same in online as in Single player? (im a sucker for realism) 

The problem is the only reason why anyone would go into pvp would be to kill eachother. There wouldn't be any reason to go hunting or do missions with it on, meaning the vast majority would always have it off, another reason why i would like to have the servers that have pvp as a choice separate from actual pvp servers.

I think the pings on the map being removed would fix alot, and the vast majority here on both sides agree thats the problem.

yes totally agreed there.

[kid-wtf]

i agree mostly with McLaw. killing in free roam with no negative aspect is silly. it kills immersion, promotes a toxic enviornment, and also it is NOT A GRIND. as u get the same exp. kills in standoff as you do free roam. so there truly is zero argument for letting folks play online with friends while nit having to deal with douchbags. 

 

and yes i want growng hair/beards. as well as the trapper. working for a perfect pelt just for a few more dollars is not worth my time when i can easily butcher a dozen animals in far less time and turn a quicker profit. as an immersion gamer i prefer all my actions to translate to an in game function not just an achievement. especially if i have to duck griefers for hours while doing it.

Edited November 29, 2018 by kid-wtf

[McLawDiz]

3 minutes ago, kid-wtf said:

and yes i want growng hair/beards. as well as the trapper. working for a perfect pelt just for a few more dollars is not worth my time when i can easily butcher a dozen animals in far less time and turn a quicker profit. as an immersion gamer i prefer all my actions to translate to an in game function not just an achievement. especially if i have to duck griefers for hours while doing it.

I remember me making a huge "SIGH......" when i made my way into the barber, and i could (Just like GTA) go from bald, to long hair... There, i already knew what i went into.. And i really hope that they fix this in the final release of RDO.

Because.. Rockstar said way back, that they want to make it realistic in anyway possible.. And with this, i started to think... Maybe its not even a joke when someone says "I bet they bring in Rocket Launcher Horses in the future" - 

Really really hope, and beg that they look into these things, even though they are small, and even though i know that kiddies / monkey players want to have purple haired cowboys... not me! 

[the uncucked canuck]

23 minutes ago, Bonzai said:

Apparently anyone else that don't want to be griefied just for sports is in the wrong here... enjoying the game for what it offers besides killing everything that the sun touches isn't fun or to be cared about so **** everyone that asks for that.
As long as it doesn't spoil my fun of killing everyone needlessly I couldn't care less about the other people's fun.

Sarcasm apart, if you wish you could let them kill you three times, you can then activate "parley" and for 10 minutes the little goblin can't ransack you. I for one am to proud to use that action and usually end up like you said... killing them back until one side quits.

 

7 minutes ago, kid-wtf said:

i agree mostly with McLaw. killing in free roam with no negative aspect is silly. it kills immersion, promotes a toxic enviornment, and also it is NOT A GRIND. as u get the same exp. kills in standoff as you do free roam. so there truly is zero argument for letting folks play online with friends while nit having to deal with douchbags. 

 

and yes i want growng hair/beards. as well as the trapper. working for a perfect pelt just for a few more dollars is not worth my time when i can easily butcher a dozen animals in far less time and turn a quicker profit. as an immersion gamer i prefer all my actions to translate to an in game function not just an achievement. especially if i have to duck griefers for hours while doing it.

It seems like you both are arguing with a complete strawman here. No one is saying you can't do as you say, im just saying i want side of it to remain the same instead of having passive mode or passive mode lite (switching between pve and pvp servers) forced upon me.

[Kean_1]

7 minutes ago, McLawDiz said:

I remember me making a huge "SIGH......" when i made my way into the barber, and i could (Just like GTA) go from bald, to long hair... There, i already knew what i went into.. And i really hope that they fix this in the final release of RDO.

Because.. Rockstar said way back, that they want to make it realistic in anyway possible.. And with this, i started to think... Maybe its not even a joke when someone says "I bet they bring in Rocket Launcher Horses in the future" - 

Really really hope, and beg that they look into these things, even though they are small, and even though i know that kiddies / monkey players want to have purple haired cowboys... not me! 

Yeah, that seems to indicate that there may not be hair growth available but again, this is a beta and they haven't implemented everything they have planned yet.  

.....including other modes like private sessions, etc. btw.  It sunlikely the game will remain in it's current state without some options for team players like they had in GTAO. 

Personally, I would suggest folks submit their suggestions to R* in the link several of us have provided in these threads.

[McTaytoe]

Something really strange happened to me earlier..  

I passed another player heading in the opposite direction on a trail, he didn't shoot at me, I didn't shoot at him.

We just passed each other and went about our business,  I nearly fell off my horse from shock. 

[BropolloCreed79]

5 hours ago, Mazier_Drave said:

That's my opinion and frankly I could not care less what anyone else thinks because I do not have the wiring to care.

Fixed.

5 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Yet another person trying to restrict everyone elses freedom because they had bad luck or should have been more careful.

Anarchy is not synonymous with freedom.

4 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

having incentive to group up or avoid players while riding alone.

Illogical.  How is it "playing the game" when you have to spend the entire session running from groups of kill squads or trolls whose only pleasure in the game is hounding and harassing folks?  That's not playing the game, that's willfully signing up to be a victim.  

That said, this is the initial iteration of the online beta, and I doubt that this is anywhere near the finished product.  

4 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

There should be normie passive mode allowed servers and separate PVP servers with separate characters

As opposed to playing like a bloodthirsty Neanderthal incapable of complex thoughts outside of "KILL"?  Grouping up with a posse to harass and troll solo players takes no skill, talent or ability, whatsoever.  If I wanted to play "The Purge" online, then that's what I'd play.  What your are advocating is complete and total lawless anarchy.  If that's what works for you, personally, then that's fine, but that's not what was advertised when people purchased this game.

2 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Theres nothing wrong with segregating normies who want to have passive mode allowable from others who want to be locked into a legit pvp experience with everyone else

There's nothing "legit" about the way PvP is currently structured in the beta at the moment.  You can call it "legit" PvP, but it's essentially the "normie" PvP with auto aim and persistent radar identification and location of other players.  It takes no skill or talent at all right now.  If this is what you want, to keep it the way it is and have R* ignore the "whiners" and "normies",  then you're basically advocating for "god mode" PvP, which is preposterous in a game that has an immersive single player mode bogged down in tedious levels of realism.  The switch to  an online mode with pervasive PvP that make it impossible for folks to have a choice at all is preposterous, lazy, and will kill off any audience outside "1337 wtfpewpewgitgudnormienoob" players.  

1 hour ago, the uncucked canuck said:

im just saying i want side of it to remain the same instead of having passive mode or passive mode lite (switching between pve and pvp servers) forced upon me.

Why are your rights more important than the rights of players who don't want to be forced to endure being trolled/griefed because they're forced into playing persistent PvP?  

 

[the uncucked canuck]

1 minute ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Fixed.

Anarchy is not synonymous with freedom.

Illogical.  How is it "playing the game" when you have to spend the entire session running from groups of kill squads or trolls whose only pleasure in the game is hounding and harassing folks?  That's not playing the game, that's willfully signing up to be a victim.  

That said, this is the initial iteration of the online beta, and I doubt that this is anywhere near the finished product.  

As opposed to playing like a bloodthirsty Neanderthal incapable of complex thoughts outside of "KILL"?  Grouping up with a posse to harass and troll solo players takes no skill, talent or ability, whatsoever.  If I wanted to play "The Purge" online, then that's what I'd play.  What your are advocating is complete and total lawless anarchy.  If that's what works for you, personally, then that's fine, but that's not what was advertised when people purchased this game.

There's nothing "legit" about the way PvP is currently structured in the beta at the moment.  You can call it "legit" PvP, but it's essentially the "normie" PvP with auto aim and persistent radar identification and location of other players.  It takes no skill or talent at all right now.  If this is what you want, to keep it the way it is and have R* ignore the "whiners" and "normies",  then you're basically advocating for "god mode" PvP, which is preposterous in a game that has an immersive single player mode bogged down in tedious levels of realism.  The switch to  an online mode with pervasive PvP that make it impossible for folks to have a choice at all is preposterous, lazy, and will kill off any audience outside "1337 wtfpewpewgitgudnormienoob" players.  

Why are your rights more important than the rights of players who don't want to be forced to endure being trolled/griefed because they're forced into playing persistent PvP?  

 

You among others keep ignoring my point just to yell at a wall with "hur dur muh harassment" "you just wanna grief people" ect when ive said nothing of the sort

Nothing wrong with keeping a part of the game the same as it is now and have a pve/pvp mode enabled server for normies.

[Truth]

1 minute ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Nothing wrong with keeping a part of the game the same as it is now and have a pve/pvp mode enabled server for normies.

Except that it segregates players...

[the uncucked canuck]

1 minute ago, Truth said:

Except that it segregates players...

So?

[Truth]

1 minute ago, the uncucked canuck said:

So?

So if I want to play a more casual way (PvE server) and start there, and my friends choose to start their game on a PvP server, none of us should have to completely restart the game just so we can play with each other for a bit. That makes no sense whatsoever.

[the uncucked canuck]

1 minute ago, Truth said:

So if I want to play a more casual way (PvE server) and start there, and my friends choose to start their game on a PvP server, none of us should have to completely restart the game just so we can play with each other for a bit. That makes no sense whatsoever.

Thats not what im saying at all. I said go for having your dumb normie passive mode enabled server, so you can switch back and fourth whenever you want, and have others remain dedicated hardcore so they're on a level playing field with others who actually enjoy the concept of watching their backs.

Yeah it does make sense. Many successful games have done this in the past. If you want  to switch it should atleast have a paywall like WoW so people aren't just using PVE for missions and using PVP only to kill others.