level 7 to 55 now what?

[CosmoKramer]

19 hours ago, lumper said:

Nah they arent going to "wait it out"  they are going to die, repeatedly, and hopefully parlay or leave, but if not, it is a simple matter of jumping sessions, crafting up more ammo, using the message system to track them down and jump back to their session, unless they know to mask themselves to pick up where I left off, but this is for extreme cases only, someone who really deserves it.

Otherwise I dont care, revenge is revenge, when I run out of ammo, I can easily go to express, high velocity or even split point, and continue, explosive ammo isnt the only way to kill them, it is just the most fun and de-humanizing so it is my first choice, but the combo of slippery with any ammo still works well, and with my cards lengthening dead eye, and slowing how it gets used means lots and lots of attacks., never without one combined with slippery means even if they are lucky enough to get a head shot in, my hat will block it and I will put on another as I stay on my horse for these 99.99999% of the time.

And hey, Im sure skilled players can fight back and even win in these cases sometimes, it isnt a sure thing at all, but in most cases I can seek revenge now without explosive ammo and do just fine, the extra ammo is just to really highlight their mistake, Im tired of level 14 players griefing, I find high level players never bother me, its only level 30 and under so far.

 

 

Seems to me your "griefers" are just low-level bored idiots, not really griefers at all. Like you say, you don't need explosive ammo to see that kind of player off so not sure why you're pinning so much to unlocking it? A true griefer, someone who makes it their mission to ruin other people's game, will be far more skilled and cunning than the kind you describe. 

[lumper]

3 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Seems to me your "griefers" are just low-level bored idiots, not really griefers at all. Like you say, you don't need explosive ammo to see that kind of player off so not sure why you're pinning so much to unlocking it? A true griefer, someone who makes it their mission to ruin other people's game, will be far more skilled and cunning than the kind you describe. 

You and I can disagree, there is nothing wrong with that.

And, I am not pinning so much on that, I just enjoy having a purpose or a goal to push through the levels, it makes it seem less of a tedious struggle and more of something I will enjoy doing, so just do it.

Yes a griefer is a person who ruins your game, to me, if I am hunting, or fishing and you come up behind me and kill me for no reason and then my horse so that I lose the carcasses and stowed animals I had been catching then I am going to be pretty upset,  now whether you call that person a griefer or not is up to you, to me they are and to me, they deserve to get it right back, ..sometimes, sometimes I dont feel like playing with them, so I will ignore them even after that, but for the most part, ruining my game is easy to do and doesnt fit in any exact mold.

I also get the opportunist griefer, they dont plan it per say they just see you and last minute decide, "hey , I want to shoot that person", these too irritate me, and I like to be able to deal with them dramatically so again I would like to show a display of being well over armed and difficult to tangle with should you decide to pick me to start shooting at.

I said I dont NEED explosive ammo to do it, but it will make it more fun for me since I know they dont have it and to show them that, hey you made a mistake by going out of your way to kill this person, maybe in the future after their boredom is dealt with they might think twice about who they are killing and refrain from killing someone over a certain level.

I know for me anyone over level 55 seems fine, I never seem to have trouble with people at higher levels.

Ive run into lots of different people in this game and most are fine, the ones that go after you arent as thick as they were 2 months ago, but I am finding that either new players, say under level 25 or players that are leveling up a new character after having already leveled up once are playing and they can be problematic too but honestly more and more it is new players.

If I made it seem like omg I must have explsive rounds or I wont be able to do it then yeah, I mis-represented myself, its not that, Im just sick of it, and I really would like to end those quickly, I can think of no better way then to simply blow them up over and over until they parlay or quit and to me, that is best achieved with explosive ammo.

sometimes I will tie them up and put them on the tracks in front of a train or in the swamp, but I really dont want to give them that much of my time, they dont deserve it.

Edited April 30, 2019 by lumper

[CosmoKramer]

I agree with you that unprovoked attacks are annoying and deserve to be revenged, I just disagree that the low level players you speak of are true griefers and that shooting any griefer with explosive ammo makes any difference to their punishment or mentality. Using explosive ammo on low level players is just a waste of your own time and resources. But, as you openly admit your willingness to spend your time chasing people across servers, that probably won't bother you. If it makes you feel better then all power to you but don't place false hope that the ammo you use will make any difference to the "griefer". If you want something to strive for in terms of rank level the special saddles are far more useful within the game than explosive ammo.

[lumper]

Funny you say that, I dont see any benefit in saddles at all, I bought from the "Special saddles" list, which I think are the ones from single player that you unlocked through the trapper if I am not mistaken, I had the cougar one with the cool handle on it, or the snakeskin one also, I cant see any in there that are any better in stats, but to be honest I didnt really look very hard, as I was happy with the one I bought and figured it was like the single player portion of the game, you didnt need to build a saddle or upgrade one if you had one of the "special" saddles.

Again if we disagree thats ok, lol we dont have to agree on things, you define a griefer differently than I do, that doesnt make it right, its just a difference.

To me a griefer is anyone who goes out of their way to bring you grief, or ruin your time in game, anything at all, if you dont leave me alone, if you decide to engage me and I didnt invite it, your a griefer to me.

[Kean_1]

The whole "griefer" term is subjective but once explained what it means to an individual, it's really moot point because then it's just a label they use to describe those they feel are ruining their fun.

Either way, even R* essentially makes the correlation between griefers and those that indiscriminately kill.  To me, anyone who willingly seeks out and kills another player without provocation is griefing to some extent. 

Engagements through missions, player assassinations and the like are a totally different story IMO as they are sanctioned events that carry no penalties. Those I wouldn't call griefers as they are basically invited to try and kill, stop or steal from the player(s) performing the mission.  Those joining these types of missions should understand and expect that.  You don't join a PvP event and expect that people won't try to kill you.

[CosmoKramer]

17 hours ago, lumper said:

Again if we disagree thats ok, lol we dont have to agree on things, you define a griefer differently than I do, that doesnt make it right, its just a difference.

Take a harder look at the stats - its not a matter of opinion, the special saddles are better than standard ones for regen and drain rates.

[Traks1]

Maybe I watched a misleading youtube vid then but the one I did watch recently seemed to show no practical differences in actual use between the "elite" saddles and mid tier items. Much the same then as the horses being all pretty much identical, performance wise, in actual use online.

[Bucnation3139]

20 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

The whole "griefer" term is subjective but once explained what it means to an individual, it's really moot point because then it's just a label they use to describe those they feel are ruining their fun.

Either way, even R* essentially makes the correlation between griefers and those that indiscriminately kill.  To me, anyone who willingly seeks out and kills another player without provocation is griefing to some extent. 

Engagements through missions, player assassinations and the like are a totally different story IMO as they are sanctioned events that carry no penalties. Those I wouldn't call griefers as they are basically invited to try and kill, stop or steal from the player(s) performing the mission.  Those joining these types of missions should understand and expect that.  You don't join a PvP event and expect that people won't try to kill you.

100% we want to be attacked when running stranger missions. Kinda dull otherwise. Most that do attack understand the game and when the mission is over they ride away. Easy breezy ! This game is a masterpiece that just needs a little cleaning up. Love the blip adjustments they have made to simplify it a lot. Reds could be red because they are defending themselves or simply ran in to npc on the trail and crashed horses. Most of your hostiles are low level and usually blue. Youngens will be Youngens ! 

[Bucnation3139]

20 hours ago, lumper said:

Funny you say that, I dont see any benefit in saddles at all, I bought from the "Special saddles" list, which I think are the ones from single player that you unlocked through the trapper if I am not mistaken, I had the cougar one with the cool handle on it, or the snakeskin one also, I cant see any in there that are any better in stats, but to be honest I didnt really look very hard, as I was happy with the one I bought and figured it was like the single player portion of the game, you didnt need to build a saddle or upgrade one if you had one of the "special" saddles.

Again if we disagree thats ok, lol we dont have to agree on things, you define a griefer differently than I do, that doesnt make it right, its just a difference.

To me a griefer is anyone who goes out of their way to bring you grief, or ruin your time in game, anything at all, if you dont leave me alone, if you decide to engage me and I didnt invite it, your a griefer to me.

If you look at black Arabian stats and then again with panther saddle you will see the difference. I can ride almost all the way a cross the map and that horses cores barely move. It is the best in game mount available. Very fast , very responsive , turns on a dime and is just beautiful. Well worth the price ! Thanks @Ozy8753

Edited May 2, 2019 by Chris Arbaugh

[Savage_Reaper]

2 hours ago, Traks1 said:

Maybe I watched a misleading youtube vid then but the one I did watch recently seemed to show no practical differences in actual use between the "elite" saddles and mid tier items. Much the same then as the horses being all pretty much identical, performance wise, in actual use online.

There is ton of wrong info being spewed on Youtube. A lot of people say there is no difference because the 2 best saddles are locked behind Gold Bars. But there is a difference.  People that say otherwise truly don't know what they are talking about and just talking nonsense.  Panther, Rattlesnake , and Beaver are the best. Panther paired with Black Arabian is one of the best combos in game. 

[lumper]

 

5 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Take a harder look at the stats - its not a matter of opinion, the special saddles are better than standard ones for regen and drain rates.

You are 100% correct, I hadnt looked very close, I bought the one "special" saddle you can buy early on in the game for $375.00 and never looked back, I hadnt thought  to look back and I figured when I am further ahead and have some cash ill re-visit the saddles, well I forgot, so I went and looked and sure enough I was wrong, so thanks for that.

I bought a new saddle that offered the best in drain  rates and such until I unlock the level 93 or 94 saddle, I am level 75 so I bought the best one I can get until I unlock the ones at level 94 or whatever.

 

2 hours ago, Chris Arbaugh said:

If you look at black Arabian stats and then again with panther saddle you will see the difference. I can ride almost all the way a cross the map and that horses cores barely move. It is the best in game mount available. Very fast , very responsive , turns on a dime and is just beautiful. Well worth the price ! Thanks @Ozy8753

Yes, you guys were correct, I hadnt looked carefully enough, but now that I have I bought a better saddle and stirrups, the best stirrups they had, and the best saddle that was available to me, in another 20 levels Ill buy the best saddle.

I had been saving my money to max out my ability cards which all are maxed except for one that I rotate in and out, SB, it is tier 2 and headed to tier 3, all others are tier 3 and I have several, so the saddle thing was a cool break.

I had added a card and wanted to max it out but because it wasnt a card I Was going to run all the time it was hard to upgrade it, I had to specifically work on it and thats what I was doing last night, until around 5 am this morning.

As per the norm, the one saddle I really liked the look of wasnt the best in stats, the one that was best in stats wasnt my favorite in looks but the game is about advantages and preparation so I had to go with what the made the most sense for my character and his health.

Edited May 2, 2019 by lumper

[Traks1]

Jeez, really?. Whoever woulda thunk Youtube vids could be so dishonest!. Cancelling my sub to the flat earth society channel and that trip to the secret ufo base too. Thanks for the heads up.😉

[CosmoKramer]

18 hours ago, lumper said:

I bought the one "special" saddle you can buy early on in the game for $375.00 and never looked back, I hadnt thought  to look back and I figured when I am further ahead and have some cash ill re-visit the saddles, well I forgot, so I went and looked and sure enough I was wrong, so thanks for that.

I bought a new saddle that offered the best in drain  rates and such until I unlock the level 93 or 94 saddle, I am level 75 so I bought the best one I can get until I unlock the ones at level 94 or whatever.

Yeah I bought the alligator saddle early on too as it was the best option at the time (could have had it free if I'd picked up online sooner) but as soon as you unlock the better stirrups a standard (improved) saddle combined with them blows the alligator out of the water. Until you get to level 90+, then the special saddles reign again.

[lumper]

6 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Yeah I bought the alligator saddle early on too as it was the best option at the time (could have had it free if I'd picked up online sooner) but as soon as you unlock the better stirrups a standard (improved) saddle combined with them blows the alligator out of the water. Until you get to level 90+, then the special saddles reign again.

Yep, I hadnt noticed that, for now I bought one that gives me 12/14/16 opposite drain rates for now, and once I hit level 94 I think it is, I will then grab another.

Thanks for the information.

What I noticed is there was another saddle I really liked the looks of, BUT it didnt quite share the attributes, it was a little lower, like 12/14/16 as opposed to 14/16/18 % so I bought the better stats, but I dont like the looks of it, I know it is about performance so I didnt let the looks bother me.

Edited May 3, 2019 by lumper

[Harlock1796]

Just checking - can you put new stirrups on the special saddles, or do you have to keep the ones it comes with?

[CosmoKramer]

32 minutes ago, Harlock1796 said:

Just checking - can you put new stirrups on the special saddles, or do you have to keep the ones it comes with?

No. Which is the real problem with the Alligator saddle - once you unlock the mid to higher stirrups the saddle is no longer an upgrade from many of the standard (improved) saddles.

[Kean_1]

I really wish R* would provide more info on how some of the mechanics, skill sets, etc. work in this game.  While some things are obvious, it feels like some of this stuff is tribal knowledge.  For example, until R* mentioned it in an article I had no idea that in RDO a weapon would become more effective the more you use it.   

[lumper]

10 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

I really wish R* would provide more info on how some of the mechanics, skill sets, etc. work in this game.  While some things are obvious, it feels like some of this stuff is tribal knowledge.  For example, until R* mentioned it in an article I had no idea that in RDO a weapon would become more effective the more you use it.   

Right?

That definitely got my attention, I wonder what other things there are to still figure out.

 

 

[CosmoKramer]

Isn't that part of the fun of a video game - discovering things through playing it that aren't immediately obvious?

[James Hickok_1837]

20 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

I really wish R* would provide more info on how some of the mechanics, skill sets, etc. work in this game.  While some things are obvious, it feels like some of this stuff is tribal knowledge.  For example, until R* mentioned it in an article I had no idea that in RDO a weapon would become more effective the more you use it.   

Same here.   I dont understand why R* will not publish some iformation about the  mechanics of it. 

I mean stuff like does the improvement apply to one weapon of each type (one pistol,rewolver,reapeter and carabine)? Im really getting into the springfield rifle but i dont want to loose the stats on my bolt action; will the stats be downgraded when i start to use the springfield over bolt action? Does it only apply for just ONE weapon etc. 

 

 

Edited May 9, 2019 by James Hickok_1837

[Kean_1]

3 hours ago, CosmoKramer said:

Isn't that part of the fun of a video game - discovering things through playing it that aren't immediately obvious?

Yeah, sure. Like some animations or things that do become obvious.  .....but for things like the example I gave, you would have never really known if they hadn't even mentioned it.

Some equipment is that way as well. Folks still don't know whether some come with benefits to stats or not so they don't even spend money those things.

That's what I'm talking about.

[Harlock1796]

I amazed people with my coolness when I first discovered the 'twirl re-holster' 😜

We were easily pleased back in December!

[lumper]

Just to keep this updated, I hit level 89 tonight, I am almost to my goal, I like updating this because it has the date I had hit 55, so I can measure my progress from them til now.
It was April 18th I hit level 55 so it took me 3.5 weeks to hit 34 more levels, thats nearly 10 levels a week average and lately I havent been playing much.

From 7 to 55 sucked, from 55 to 89 was great.

In 5 more levels Ill have everything I wanted, and I think I unlock the special saddles then too, so Ill need more cash, but I am finally seeing tthe light at the end of the tunnel.

Ive been playing more nad more pvp, I actually won mvp 4 times now, I was 17-4 earlier today so I am also learning to fight.

The last three times someone attacked me for no reason I promptly killed them a few times except for one guy he attacked me from behind, I spun around and killed him and then he parlayed, lol so yeah, I have come a long way in a short time, and I am ready for the update. 

Edited May 14, 2019 by lumper

[CPUTestUnit]

56 minutes ago, lumper said:

The last three times someone attacked me for no reason I promptly killed them a few times except for one guy he attacked me from behind, I spun around and killed him and then he parlayed, lol so yeah, I have come a long way in a short time, and I am ready for the update. 

So does this mean you overcame the Griefer understanding as well?

Honestly, there is no Griefing in RDR2 at all!

Wherever a Possi would become annoying you tkae the opertunity to practise or you parley them off, job done. 

Given there is no real loss (the loss of the 3 Corps are adding to your joy of the game in the Long term, I explain in a second why), it even doesent hurt realy.

Now also I fail completly to follow the anger it produces at some Players if they get shot while hunting or fishing.

For my understanding thats absolutly good that this things can and will happen. If you couldnt be harmed while doing so, why doing it at all then? If there is no Risk hunting annimals and transporting them succesfully to the butcher then where is the sense in asking you to do so. You instead could leave the hole matter of and teleport any shot animal automaticly seperated in meet and pelts to the Players account. How boring would that be. 

RDR is no Hunting or farming sim. Ist a PVP game and the risk and loss is exaclty what every player needs to feel tension and also to feel good if successfull. 

Like every game, the way is the objective not to master the game. We only play to experience the way, to get better and master the challenge. 

Believe me, the moment will come where you welcome any atack as a refreshing influence during the stamdardized boring hunting an crafting exercises.

 

So let me please you all, stopp complayn about Griefers and think About the importance of PVP is to give you all a good and tensioned game. 

At the high Level it can get quiet boring and you archieve the Levels fast here. Remember the nice an difficult game you faced in the first 30 Levels. Sometimes I think it maybe would be better to reset my account to Level 0 to experience a bigger challenge again. Maybe somewhen we will be allowed 2 characters?

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by CPUTestUnit

[James Hickok_1837]

1 hour ago, lumper said:

Just to keep this updated, I hit level 89 tonight, I am almost to my goal, I like updating this because it has the date I had hit 55, so I can measure my progress from them til now.
It was April 18th I hit level 55 so it took me 3.5 weeks to hit 34 more levels, thats nearly 10 levels a week average and lately I havent been playing much.

From 7 to 55 sucked, from 55 to 89 was great.

In 5 more levels Ill have everything I wanted, and I think I unlock the special saddles then too, so Ill need more cash, but I am finally seeing tthe light at the end of the tunnel.

Ive been playing more nad more pvp, I actually won mvp 4 times now, I was 17-4 earlier today so I am also learning to fight.

The last three times someone attacked me for no reason I promptly killed them a few times except for one guy he attacked me from behind, I spun around and killed him and then he parlayed, lol so yeah, I have come a long way in a short time, and I am ready for the update. 

Im glad that you grew some balls finally     Took some time but hey ! Good for You that you enjoy the game and understand it better. Keep on up ! 

 

58 minutes ago, CPUTestUnit said:

So does this mean you overcame the Griefer understanding as well?

Honestly, there is no Griefing in RDR2 at all!

Wherever a Possi would become annoying you tkae the opertunity to practise or you parley them off, job done. 

Given there is no real loss (the loss of the 3 Corps are adding to your joy of the game in the Long term, I explain in a second why), it even doesent hurt realy.

Now also I fail completly to follow the anger it produces at some Players if they get shot while hunting or fishing.

For my understanding thats absolutly good that this things can and will happen. If you couldnt be harmed while doing so, why doing it at all then? If there is no Risk hunting annimals and transporting them succesfully to the butcher then where is the sense in asking you to do so. You instead could leave the hole matter of and teleport any shot animal automaticly seperated in meet and pelts to the Players account. How boring would that be. 

RDR is no Hunting or farming sim. Ist a PVP game and the risk and loss is exaclty what every player needs to feel tension and also to feel good if successfull. 

Like every game, the way is the objective not to master the game. We only play to experience the way, to get better and master the challenge. 

Believe me, the moment will come where you welcome any atack as a refreshing influence during the stamdardized boring hunting an crafting exercises.

 

So let me please you all, stopp complayn about Griefers and think About the importance of PVP is to give you all a good and tensioned game. 

At the high Level it can get quiet boring and you archieve the Levels fast here. Remember the nice an difficult game you faced in the first 30 Levels. Sometimes I think it maybe would be better to reset my account to Level 0 to experience a bigger challenge again. Maybe somewhen we will be allowed 2 characters?

 

Very good post. I agree 100% 

I could not understand why so many ppl complained about griefers when i never met any or was griefed since i started playing in february. Currently lvl 123

I would love the game to be harder - hrder to achieve money. lvls maybe some punishment upon death. 

I would like to start a new char as well. Was thinking about deleting my current character but i guess the update hits soon and they will implement it.  Actually i wouldn't mind a wipe when the beta ends. 

Now at high lvl i just march in everywhere i want and even noticed that somehow ppl i encounter dont attack me anymore. Actually i went full dishonorable yesterday (was always honorable) to be the red dot. Maybe ill get more action that way  

[CPUTestUnit]

36 minutes ago, James Hickok_1837 said:

Maybe ill get more action that way  

 

You will get more assasination attempts as the System will choose you more often as victime due to your red status (which is good)!

I have between 1 and 3 an evening (being super red due to not let get others away if they shot me or due to following the day tasks advises) 🙂 how ever, I have 1 or 3 where I am the victim an evening and ist great fun. I mostly wait to give them the chance to catch up and ensure they come. I then search a nice place and await them. I have one of that attempts on Video. You can see on my YT channel (at About me) if you want or interested. I love doing it that way.

Do yourself the favor and accept being chased by answering the attack appropirated instead of speeding to St. Denis or TW as you could win the thing therefore easy but be bored again. ALso it needs this for the other Players, as otherwisde no one will ever start to follow the Mission if they all realise everyone just rides off. 

As said great fun so being not honorable at all and being red pays out.

 

I just wonder what happens after the update, as an Lv 110 I choose to wait always for the first shot (not in an assasination Mission of Course) before I chase them but finaly this will mean in the future I stay blue and dont get this missions again until I turn bad and start to kill Players first?

[James Hickok_1837]

5 hours ago, CPUTestUnit said:

 

You will get more assasination attempts as the System will choose you more often as victime due to your red status (which is good)!

I have between 1 and 3 an evening (being super red due to not let get others away if they shot me or due to following the day tasks advises) 🙂 how ever, I have 1 or 3 where I am the victim an evening and ist great fun. I mostly wait to give them the chance to catch up and ensure they come. I then search a nice place and await them. I have one of that attempts on Video. You can see on my YT channel (at About me) if you want or interested. I love doing it that way.

Do yourself the favor and accept being chased by answering the attack appropirated instead of speeding to St. Denis or TW as you could win the thing therefore easy but be bored again. ALso it needs this for the other Players, as otherwisde no one will ever start to follow the Mission if they all realise everyone just rides off. 

As said great fun so being not honorable at all and being red pays out.

 

I just wonder what happens after the update, as an Lv 110 I choose to wait always for the first shot (not in an assasination Mission of Course) before I chase them but finaly this will mean in the future I stay blue and dont get this missions again until I turn bad and start to kill Players first?

Great !   For the whole time i was playing i got only ONE assasination mission against me and it was super fun. I went into a cabin in the woods and wait for them (was 2 of em). First one of them decided to go in - got shot in the face with a double barrel  then they both went in with shotguns so i quickly got out thru the back door and threw a dynamite in - was sweet. The time was over then and i won (They were not good. I would have throw dynamite in then go inside from both doors same time - ah well good for me)

About the offensive/deffensive system that R* will implement i dont really get how will that work. Whole thing is pointless IMO. The whole Griefer problem is exaggerated. 

Guess we shall see soon. Im guessing from 6 to 8 weeks max. Most def in June not May. 

P.S. looking forward to see your YT uploads. Take care !

[CPUTestUnit]

27 minutes ago, James Hickok_1837 said:

About the offensive/deffensive system that R* will implement i dont really get how will that work.

 

Well actually you can be totaly in silence alreaddy today. You just fast travel to the other side of the map. As the System tries to spawn new Players together with alreaddy existing ones on the map. So you have, at the far end, a lot of silence to hunt, fish and so on. 

 

In earlier days, before this new sight System, it had more tension as everyone was on the map vissible. So you had to plan good Hunting routes and value when to go to the butcher or to Citys and when not. 

 

This changed alreaddy with the new sight system. 

 

I think all the next system will do is, allow, defensive mode Players, to get minimal dammage (its important they still get small damage). So they then can value, do I react (and automaticly move to offensive therefore) or do I ignore, and stay passiv. so I bet there is many guys out there who will pull the Colt and fire back and there goes the defensive mode. 

 

Finaly the real issue is, and most are not aware as never question what gives them the kick, the Dollars eraned or the Risk survived to earn the Dollars (I am sure ist the last), All of that Risk is the salt in the soup if you know what I mean with that expression. No salt, you play ESO then  to much salt you Play Dayz (from the priciple) and no salt as well as to much will annoy everyone on the long term. 

 

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by CPUTestUnit

[lumper]

You said, "Im glad that you grew some balls finally     Took some time but hey ! Good for You that you enjoy the game and understand it better. Keep on up ! "

 

Well to me a griefer wasnt a scary threat, lol they were unnecessary A holes, that distracted me from what I wanted to do and made me have to deal with them.

It is not how the game works, it is how some players want it to work while others do not, so I didnt learn anything other than b e prepared for the worst and you will always be ok.

Here is an example, the other night I was hunting, near Heartland overflow, I was about to head out, after skinning a deer, I saw the train coming and someone was riding it so I decided to posture myself in case this person was an opportunist looking for trouble.

as they approached and the train slowed I saw him, he saw me, I was behind my horse Lancaster in hand and ready to go, I talked to him for a minute, said hello, etc..  and then he appeared to go back to what he was doing without answering me and so I decided , ok I am going to head out as planned, as I go to leave and turn my back bullets come flying my my head, so I spin around, kill him then run off because my horse is full, I dont feel like playing with another person at this moment, I just cleared 3 or 4 hideouts, etc.. I just want to get my catch to the butcher and buy something I have been grinding for.

anyway, because I am a blue dot, and he is glowing red after I ran away, a long way toward where I was going, I figured ok I am far enough away, Ill go back to hunting my way to the butcher, I went from Emerald station to Clemmens point I think it is, north of St Denis, anyway while skinning a few birds, here comes numbnuts and bullets flying, rather than get my gun, I grabbed my mic, I said, dude, we already did this, I am not here for your enjoyment, just because you are bored and have nobody to play with doesnt mean you get to follow me around the map trying to get me to engage you, take off, find someone else to bother or go play pvp but leave me alone, I am not in the mood nor do I have time for this, (it was very late) 

Ok, so in the time I said that he shot me, lol I dont care, so I said , ok, feel better? now split dude, seriously I am not looking for a buddy to play with, if you want to go shot everything up, play pvp, or go clear a hideout or shoot some npc's but seriously get away from me, I am hunting, grinding, working toward something I want, and I dont appreciate you bothering me and distracting me from that.

Well long story short this went on so long I had to leave the session or just keep fighting and killing this guy,

That guy was a bored ass who was determined to keep bugging me, so I left.

I take that personally, my time is mine, I dont want to stop what I am doing because you are bored and want to play with someone, this is why your alone now, you are just an ass, etc..

And people who say that is the game and how it is I disagree, it doesnt have to be that way, only short sighted shoot em up peopel with nothing better to do are like that, usually they are just bored opportunist who wont shoot at a fair fight, but rather ambush or be sneaky etc..

Well anyway this guy and this type are more of a bother than anything that I fear, I can easily kill him, and I did a few times, then I just ignored him, and eventually had to jump servers so I could hunt in peace again.

So my point is, I didnt "grow some balls" I wasnt scared of griefers I was irritated and I dont like people forcing themselves on me, if you attack once and I say lol ok good one, now piss off, then seriously back up and go away, but when they are persistent I get irritated.

If I wanted to play with some stranger, who takes cheap shots at your back after making it appear you are safe, no threat here, I dont want anything to do with a guy like that, a coward, back shooting jerk.
I know he was bored and desperate for someone to play with, even after all this he typed to me saying I want to make it up to you, accept my invite, lol I Said no way, just go away, why woudl I want to talk to you more,? I got away from you, I dont want to get back with you, lol besides your bored, probaboy have no friends and are just looking for anyone to interact with, well thats not me, has you asked me, or said something when I tried to talk to you on the train then yeah maybe we could have done a few things together but not now, I wouldnt play with you for anything now.

He said, we can play a story mission over that will let us hunt in peace and make good XP, lol so see he was looking for someone to join him, even after being a douche to me, and having this whole text fight, lol he still wanted to play so bad he was sending me invites over and over.

I just kept telling him nope, I dont play with toxic players who shot hunters in free roam for no reason from behind when they had a chance and ignored it, I wouldnt team up with someone like that, so no.

He got so mad when I called him that he said, "I never do that, 99.99% of the time I never do that" lol

I said so what, you did it to me, so as far as I am concerned you are a bright red blip because you attack people for no reason, you did it 100% of the times I saw you, and I just saw how you roll.
 I saw you on that train, I could have shot first, but I didnt, I left you alone to do whatever you are doing, but not you, you saw me and thought, oh good  finally someone I can get to play with me, but I didnt want to play with you, I killed you and moved on, etc..

So to me, all that is a huge waste of my time, exhausting and I do not like it.and it is a matter of principle at that point.

If it were just a guy shooting at me, those are easy, shoot back, and kill them, usually they leave after you kill them 2 or 3 times, but this guy was just a low down, back shooting coward and it really irritated me.

 

So, I didnt need to grow some balls, I just dont like to be FORCED to do anything, I am sure nobody does, you wouldnt either.

When you make up your mind to do something and then someone comes along and changes that for you, that is irritating. now at first, I didnt have the weapons or practice to deal with them properly, now that has changed but the rest hasnt.

Iit is almost always low level players who just dont know any  better, they get in here level 8 or 14 and think this is gta and they just shoot at everyone.

These are annoying but easily taken care of, this guy I am talking about was level 135 or higher, so it shocked me.

New players will argue a bit then they tend to come around.

Anyway, I just wanted to clear that up.

So far there have been 5 or 6 encounters that really pissed me off, and we argued a bit, each one of those times, the person who had done the shooting apologized, friended me and in two cases, hunted and caught me some pelts and carcasses to make up for what I lost when they shot my horse, lol those were good dues, that felt bad after realizing they dont want to be treated like that and what they did was lame, now were friends, so these encounters do have happy endings.

 

 

 

 

[CPUTestUnit]

All good and valid Points. 

 

You never can look behind the other Players mind and possibly they even do not understand your english as speaking japaneese or russsian only.  Not in the case above but in general.

So to get rid of that, after he shot you once, press parley, doing so only takes a second, and dont waste your time to talk in lenght in Special if he doesent react. So he would had been of for 10 minuts. I think often it is more the "oh if I pres sparley they think I ma weak" Effekt. Which is Nonsens. Ist much bette rto press parley then to winch About the fact not to have pressed ot and got shoten on and on. 

How ever, I think you got my Point and I got yours but for me it is totaly over reacting to bann PVP becuase sometimes there might be someone who doesent react if I screm "Peace" into my mic. 

I try to always wait for the first shot but if it is done, I go on Revenge mode.

At the same time I wait if I get lassoed or scaved and I let them take me with them. Finaly sometimes they just shot me and I come back (yes, always) or somethging funny things  start to happen.

I am only after Special Scenes and Special Things that happen and are not after any Standard game Play. 

As said, I dont care if I am killed, I care if I am killed in another boring way. 

 

Edited May 14, 2019 by CPUTestUnit