Fishing/Boating?

[BropolloCreed79]

7 hours ago, Cokeyskunk said:

As boring as it sounds on the surface, I think fishing challenges actually sounds rather cool if it's done right

I love ya, @Cokeyskunk, but I have to vehemently disagree on this with you.

Every time I've seen fishing worked into a game, other than a fishing simulator, it has sucked. Not that Rockstar couldn't pull it off (that's what she said), I just find it both impractical and repugnant.  I'd rather have CLOWNS (FREAKING CLOWNS, everyone), in the game than a fishing mechanic.

 

And I hate clowns more than I hate light beer.

[Cokeyskunk]

17 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

I love ya, @Cokeyskunk, but I have to vehemently disagree on this with you.

Every time I've seen fishing worked into a game, other than a fishing simulator, it has sucked. Not that Rockstar couldn't pull it off (that's what she said), I just find it both impractical and repugnant.  I'd rather have CLOWNS (FREAKING CLOWNS, everyone), in the game than a fishing mechanic.

 

And I hate clowns more than I hate light beer.

Love right back at ya, Captain. But you'z be'z wrong herrah.

You said it yourself: 

17 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Not that Rockstar couldn't pull it off

So -- academically speaking -- assuming they COULD (and DO) pull it off where fishing is both beneficial AND enjoyable in this game -- you STILL wouldn't want it??

[BropolloCreed79]

54 minutes ago, Cokeyskunk said:

you STILL wouldn't want it??

Correct.  I hate it when mechanics are involved that become part of the core game play or achievements.  This goes back to Final Fantasy VII for me:  If you wanted the best summon in the game (Knights of the Round), you had to go through ridiculous lengths racing and breeding freakin' Chocobos (think a Peep and an Ostritch doin the nasty) for HOURS, pray to RNGesus, and then acquire a special Golden Chocobo to walk on water to get to the esoteric part of the map that had the summon available.  

Weird mechanics like fishing for materials or ingredients that become part of the meta for gameplay, or have special items/consumables gatewayed behind them are terrible for ANY game.  Perfect Roe became a necessity for Elder Scrolls Online, for example, but leveling your fishing skill to be able to catch some?  I'd rather watch Battlefield Earth on loop for a week than go through that again.

If they want to put fishing in the game, fine, but for the love of all that is good, do NOT tie it to an achievement or make it something that's required for progression.

[Cokeyskunk]

3 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Correct.  I hate it when mechanics are involved that become part of the core game play or achievements.  This goes back to Final Fantasy VII for me:  If you wanted the best summon in the game (Knights of the Round), you had to go through ridiculous lengths racing and breeding freakin' Chocobos (think a Peep and an Ostritch doin the nasty) for HOURS, pray to RNGesus, and then acquire a special Golden Chocobo to walk on water to get to the esoteric part of the map that had the summon available.  

Weird mechanics like fishing for materials or ingredients that become part of the meta for gameplay, or have special items/consumables gatewayed behind them are terrible for ANY game.  Perfect Roe became a necessity for Elder Scrolls Online, for example, but leveling your fishing skill to be able to catch some?  I'd rather watch Battlefield Earth on loop for a week than go through that again.

If they want to put fishing in the game, fine, but for the love of all that is good, do NOT tie it to an achievement or make it something that's required for progression.

Okay, you make an excellent point here. To that point, I, personally, hate racing. I *especially* hate racing when they make WINNING one of said races MANDATORY to complete the single player campaign. So, while it *MIGHT* be fun to be able to do a few races in order to get some improvements in the game, I do NOT want them to FORCE me to do it. Perhaps they can make it as an OPTION to progress in the game, but allow you to choose other avenues in order to progress as well. In that case, I'm fine with it.

So, so long as they don't make it a requirement for progression, you're okay with them adding a fun version of fishing to the game? 

[Kean_1]

Well, looks like fishing will be an activity in RDR2 from the new gameplay trailer.  ......sorry Bropollo. 

[Benjo]

6 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

Well, looks like fishing will be an activity in RDR2 from the new gameplay trailer.  ......sorry Bropollo. 

I'm pretty happy about this.

[Kean_1]

6 minutes ago, Benjo said:

I'm pretty happy about this.

Me too as I think R* will have plenty of activities to do so if one is not your cup of tea, you won't be stuck having to do it.

[Benjo]

1 minute ago, Kean_1 said:

Me too as I think R* will have plenty of activities to do so if one is not your cup of tea, you won't be stuck having to do it.

Nice relaxing sit by the lake early morning, spot of fishing, lovely.

[Kean_1]

14 minutes ago, Benjo said:

Nice relaxing sit by the lake early morning, spot of fishing, lovely.

I'm sure their mechanic will also be better than anything Ubisoft could deliver in FC5 for example.  .....that was fun for about the first couple minutes and then just a repetitive grind.  Unfortunately, there wasn't much else to do in that otherwise static (albeit beautiful) game world.

Seems animals can also be killed outright or wounded.  .....requiring tracking if the latter occurs.  I have to assume a well placed shot will down your prey right away.

[Benjo]

1 minute ago, Kean_1 said:

I'm sure their mechanic will also be better than anything Ubisoft could deliver in FC5 for example.  .....that was fun for about the first couple minutes and then just a repetitive grind.  Unfortunately, there wasn't much else to do in that otherwise static (albeit beautiful) game world.

Seems animals can also be killed outright or wounded.  .....requiring tracking if the latter occurs.  I have to assume a well placed shot will down your prey right away.

Yeah the IGN guys spoke of that, saying it was pretty saddening how they had to go and finish off a suffering, crying deer with a knife.

[Benjo]

BTW not sure if you noticed but they were on a boat when they were fishing, so I guess it's confirmed that you can travel in boats.

 

[Kean_1]

2 hours ago, Benjo said:

Yeah the IGN guys spoke of that, saying it was pretty saddening how they had to go and finish off a suffering, crying deer with a knife.

Yeah, well....I rarely find myself on the same level to "professional" gaming news / review sites and presenters these days especially with the focus some of them have in regard to such things, political correctness, etc.  Maybe if R* added a crafting mechanic where they could whip up some lattes and tofu burgers they would feel more comfortable.  .....heaven forbid folks see the how it really is to hunt and gather you own food.  

All kidding aside, I like the sound of this mechanic as it can make you think before taking your shot, considering placement, etc.  Obviously, you would have feelings to not make the animal suffer but also to avoid having to chase it down in the wild.  ......possibly making the situation even more risky by unintentionally crossing paths with another predator in the process and so on.

 

[Kean_1]

2 hours ago, Benjo said:

BTW not sure if you noticed but they were on a boat when they were fishing, so I guess it's confirmed that you can travel in boats.

 

I can't imagine you wouldn't especially considering all the things you can do in GTAV.  Given the relative lack of the hustle and bustle of a modern  environment in GTAV,  I'm curious to see what all the activities will include in a world based in the 1890s.  I have faith R* has a lot in store for us.

[CMcC]

Hey ‘member when people thought there wouldn’t be fishing?

That was funny. 😊

[Benjo]

4 minutes ago, CMcC said:

Hey ‘member when people thought there wouldn’t be fishing?

That was funny. 😊

 

I hope it's relaxing and not as easy and involved as FC5's system.

[YodaMan 3D]

Can any of you tell where or give a link.  A friend said he saw video, supposedly released by Rockstar.  It supposedly showed all of the activities and according to my friend it almost sounds like you spend most of your time gathering supplies for the gang and that this will be way different then RDR.  Almost sounded like it was going to be a survival version of the Sims.  I like the amount of loot gathering in the 1st game, but not sure I want to spend all my time gathering supplies and do the occasional mission here or there.

[Benjo]

26 minutes ago, YodaMan 3D said:

Can any of you tell where or give a link.  A friend said he saw video, supposedly released by Rockstar.  It supposedly showed all of the activities and according to my friend it almost sounds like you spend most of your time gathering supplies for the gang and that this will be way different then RDR.  Almost sounded like it was going to be a survival version of the Sims.  I like the amount of loot gathering in the 1st game, but not sure I want to spend all my time gathering supplies and do the occasional mission here or there.

Hunting for the camp is optional.

[BropolloCreed79]

On 8/9/2018 at 12:21 PM, Benjo said:

Yeah the IGN guys spoke of that, saying it was pretty saddening how they had to go and finish off a suffering, crying deer with a knife.

Never had that problem IRL.  When I hit them, they go down and stay down.  Draw a bead right behind the shoulder, on the midpoint of the body, and you'll get the heart and lungs in one shot.  If I can do it with a shotgun slug at 50+ yards, anyone can do it with enough practice.

If they're facing you or you don't have a broadside shot, aim for the middle of the chest.  NEVER shoot from behind unless you can pull off a headshot: you'll just wound them and end up chasing them.  If you rupture the colon or internals with a body shot from behind (which is highly likely) you get stomach acid, fecal matter, and more all over the meat inside the cavity, ruining a lot of it.

Hell, even field-dressing them requires careful work.  And the smell is nothing to write home about either.  A good kill shot is so crucial to ensuring good meat integrity--a wounded or running deer will have a lot of lactic acid in the muscles, which is where that "gamey" taste comes from.  I never even bother to shoot at running deer--give me some doe or buck that's casually sauntering through the woods nibbling at foilage.  A nice, easy shot that I can take my time with and make sure they don't suffer unnecessarily.  Shoot, watch them drop, and wait fifteen minutes before approaching.  Easy.

[Benjo]

1 minute ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Never had that problem IRL.  When I hit them, they go down and stay down.  Draw a bead right behind the shoulder, on the midpoint of the body, and you'll get the heart and lungs in one shot.  If I can do it with a shotgun slug at 50+ yards, anyone can do it with enough practice.

If they're facing you or you don't have a broadside shot, aim for the middle of the chest.  NEVER shoot from behind unless you can pull off a headshot: you'll just wound them and end up chasing them.  If you rupture the colon or internals with a body shot from behind (which is highly likely) you get stomach acid, fecal matter, and more all over the meat inside the cavity, ruining a lot of it.

Hell, even field-dressing them requires careful work.  And the smell is nothing to write home about either.  A good kill shot is so crucial to ensuring good meat integrity--a wounded or running deer will have a lot of lactic acid in the muscles, which is where that "gamey" taste comes from.  I never even bother to shoot at running deer--give me some doe or buck that's casually sauntering through the woods nibbling at foilage.  A nice, easy shot that I can take my time with and make sure they don't suffer unnecessarily.  Shoot, watch them drop, and wait fifteen minutes before approaching.  Easy.

It's another world. In England nobody hunts.

[BropolloCreed79]

1 minute ago, Benjo said:

It's another world. In England nobody hunts.

Understandable.  There's a different culture and history involved--if I'm reading it right, hunting was more a landed gentry thing over there, correct?

It's actually not that popular here either on a localized level, but the enthusiasts will travel thousands of miles for good hunting.  I live about two hours from some of the best deer hunting east of the Mississipi, and people come from outside the country to hunt here.  

There's also all sorts of subcultures within the community.  There's folks (whom I don't agree with) that only hunt for trophies--usually in this case, bucks with big racks. 

Some do it to assist with population control and donate the meat to shelters/food banks.  Deer overpopulation is a big issue here, and they waste away from lack of food or illness if there's too many of them.

I've become pretty good at judging the relative size of a deer, and as long as it's more than a few years old, I shoot to fill my tags as quickly as possible.  It's all about the meat for me--I can fill a deep freeze with two decent sized deer and not have to buy meat for the better part of a year if I take three or four (depending on bag limits).  That's huge, and when you do the math, including processing the meat at a butcher and licenses/tags to hunt, you still come out at $2-$3/lb for the meat.  My dad taught me, but never forced me into it, and I plan on doing the same with my kids.  Either they like it or they don't.  For me, it's two to three days out of the year to just unplug from everything.  Total radio silence and a lot of solitude.  It's invigorating.

And then there's the rush when I've been waiting in the woods for hours and hear a twig snap from behind.  Nothing else like it when I see that deer and draw a bead.  My heart starts pounding hard enough that I swear it's going to jump out of my chest.  My hands start to shake.  Then there's the steps involved with lining up the shot: drawing a bead, breathing, proper form and stance, steadying hands, disabling the safety and firing within moments of each other (the deer will hear the 'click' of the safety being disabled, and I'm not sitting with a gun in my hands for potentially an entire day without the safety being engaged--that's how stupid accidents happen).

 

[Benjo]

2 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Understandable.  There's a different culture and history involved--if I'm reading it right, hunting was more a landed gentry thing over there, correct?

It's actually not that popular here either on a localized level, but the enthusiasts will travel thousands of miles for good hunting.  I live about two hours from some of the best deer hunting east of the Mississipi, and people come from outside the country to hunt here.  

There's also all sorts of subcultures within the community.  There's folks (whom I don't agree with) that only hunt for trophies--usually in this case, bucks with big racks. 

Some do it to assist with population control and donate the meat to shelters/food banks.  Deer overpopulation is a big issue here, and they waste away from lack of food or illness if there's too many of them.

I've become pretty good at judging the relative size of a deer, and as long as it's more than a few years old, I shoot to fill my tags as quickly as possible.  It's all about the meat for me--I can fill a deep freeze with two decent sized deer and not have to buy meat for the better part of a year if I take three or four (depending on bag limits).  That's huge, and when you do the math, including processing the meat at a butcher and licenses/tags to hunt, you still come out at $2-$3/lb for the meat.  My dad taught me, but never forced me into it, and I plan on doing the same with my kids.  Either they like it or they don't.  For me, it's two to three days out of the year to just unplug from everything.  Total radio silence and a lot of solitude.  It's invigorating.

And then there's the rush when I've been waiting in the woods for hours and hear a twig snap from behind.  Nothing else like it when I see that deer and draw a bead.  My heart starts pounding hard enough that I swear it's going to jump out of my chest.  My hands start to shake.  Then there's the steps involved with lining up the shot: drawing a bead, breathing, proper form and stance, steadying hands, disabling the safety and firing within moments of each other (the deer will hear the 'click' of the safety being disabled, and I'm not sitting with a gun in my hands for potentially an entire day without the safety being engaged--that's how stupid accidents happen).

 

Some hunting goes on, like pheasants and game, but as gun culture is virtually nil there it's not really a thing. I don't mind shooting a 3D modelled deer but to do it in real life isn't really my thing. I don't kill anything with a face.

[Cokeyskunk]

1 hour ago, Benjo said:

It's another world. In England nobody hunts.

I beg to differ.

By his own admission, this boy brazenly hunted and killed the King's deer on the former land of Locksley, thereby invoking the wrath of Sir Guy of Gisbourne.

[YodaMan 3D]

2 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Understandable.  There's a different culture and history involved--if I'm reading it right, hunting was more a landed gentry thing over there, correct?

It's actually not that popular here either on a localized level, but the enthusiasts will travel thousands of miles for good hunting.  I live about two hours from some of the best deer hunting east of the Mississipi, and people come from outside the country to hunt here.  

There's also all sorts of subcultures within the community.  There's folks (whom I don't agree with) that only hunt for trophies--usually in this case, bucks with big racks. 

Some do it to assist with population control and donate the meat to shelters/food banks.  Deer overpopulation is a big issue here, and they waste away from lack of food or illness if there's too many of them.

I've become pretty good at judging the relative size of a deer, and as long as it's more than a few years old, I shoot to fill my tags as quickly as possible.  It's all about the meat for me--I can fill a deep freeze with two decent sized deer and not have to buy meat for the better part of a year if I take three or four (depending on bag limits).  That's huge, and when you do the math, including processing the meat at a butcher and licenses/tags to hunt, you still come out at $2-$3/lb for the meat.  My dad taught me, but never forced me into it, and I plan on doing the same with my kids.  Either they like it or they don't.  For me, it's two to three days out of the year to just unplug from everything.  Total radio silence and a lot of solitude.  It's invigorating.

And then there's the rush when I've been waiting in the woods for hours and hear a twig snap from behind.  Nothing else like it when I see that deer and draw a bead.  My heart starts pounding hard enough that I swear it's going to jump out of my chest.  My hands start to shake.  Then there's the steps involved with lining up the shot: drawing a bead, breathing, proper form and stance, steadying hands, disabling the safety and firing within moments of each other (the deer will hear the 'click' of the safety being disabled, and I'm not sitting with a gun in my hands for potentially an entire day without the safety being engaged--that's how stupid accidents happen).

 

Do you make deer chili?

[BropolloCreed79]

53 minutes ago, YodaMan 3D said:

Do you make deer chili?

Of course.  The butcher I go to will actually make Italian sausage for me out of venison using pork fat, and put it into 2lb bricks.  So when I make venison chili, I usually do a three way split of pan-seared chops, ground venison, and sausage.  

Now I'm hungry. 

[CrabApples]

Unless they make it something special, I likely won't bother with it. I have fished in real life and I tend to get bored of it too easily. I would imagine fishing in a fake/virtual reality world will be just as boring. 

[YodaMan 3D]

16 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Of course.  The butcher I go to will actually make Italian sausage for me out of venison using pork fat, and put it into 2lb bricks.  So when I make venison chili, I usually do a three way split of pan-seared chops, ground venison, and sausage.  

Now I'm hungry. 

My family was butchers by trade and deer season, meant we ate lots and lots of venison.  Chilli made with ground venison was always popular during the winter months.  Most I know have, had never tried it, but when they do.  Making it with hamburger never seems the same.