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Of course, we have to wait and see how the update actually turns out and all that it contains, but anti-methods (with some teeth) or private lobbies (or PvE servers!!) were what I hoped for. We'll see how everything really turns out next week

Rockstar said "Explore the world solo or with friends" along with "We also ask for your help in keeping Red Dead Online a fun and fair environment for everyone" so maybe it's just another result of "It's still in beta." https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/online https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60711/Red-Dead-Online-Beta

I'm curious, how many of these semi transparent players have you been attacked by? I believe most of those semi transparent players are escaping griefers by glitching into the safety of private lobbies. These players will appear as lighter/transparent dots on the map and can be standing right next to you in game but you can't totally see them or (typically) interact with them. I have never seen one of those players with the ability to attack another player, so that's a new glitch on me. But you did the correct thing by contacting Rockstar if you were attacked, in any case. Again, how often has this happened to you?

Because it plays differently than "Kill Them All..." which pulls all players together as long as one player reaches the trigger point, this was submitted as a bug, not just feedback. It seems that as soon as one player approaches the train, all players should be summoned automatically to the scene, again just like "Kill Them All..."

I've seen you post here before so this isn't your first rodeo, cowboy. You know the fools we have to deal with online and that we'll be taking it in the shorts till changes are implemented. I sure hope you tempered that message so you don't get any flack. You know those messages have a way of backfiring on the innocent party sometimes.

You're absolutely correct. We are not safe in this game, even in our camps. Rockstar screwed up. But it's a beta. Here is a video of another player discovering what you have. Rockstar's game is broken, unsafe and unfair at this point. You have to keep telling yourself "it's a beta." This video was submitted to Rockstar but I recommend that you also let them know your thoughts at their feedback site https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/online/feedback At this point in this game's history, my suggestion to you is that you try and find some way to play this game so that it makes sense or is fair for you. You can go nuts trying to figure out how some of this game plays right now, especially if you paid attention to what Rockstar said the game was going to be. But it's a beta. It doesn't help that Rockstar's updates are so slow in coming and we find ourselves at Rockstar's mercy (and the mercy of griefing players like the ones shooting you while in camp) as we find ourselves waiting for updates to correct much of what is wrong. Just remember, it's a beta. That's the only explanation you're going to get for the wrongheaded circumstances you'll find yourself in while playing this game at this point. But use the feedback feature to keep Rockstar up to date on what you feel needs fixing. Did I mention it's a beta?

One of the people that I play with saw the original post above. He told me that he linked it to Rockstar in their feedback and asked them why they promised one game but are not delivering on that promise. He knows that I visit a few forum boards so he yelled (politely) at me and asked me why I hadn't done it already and every time I see posts that are similar. I didn't have an answer. But I'm going to do it from now on.

Please, please, if you are set on leaving, go to the feedback feature and tell them why you are leaving. You also might want to remind them that Rockstar stated this game would be "fun and fair" and that you counted on that when you spent your money on the game. I feel much the same you do but I am waiting until the game comes out of beta to see exactly what Rockstar is going to deliver to us. But, for right now, it does seem like Rockstar is pulling the old double cross on those of us who expected what was in the promotional material, a "fun and fair environment." Right now, the game seems like a haven for online griefers and "fun and fair" are not what Rockstar is offering.

In my main post I stated this-- "We all can speculate what we think Rockstar is going to do for days. But Rockstar needs to 'fess up on what the plan is and not be so wishy-washy about their stance on griefing." I appreciate your comment, but you are speculating about what Rockstar is saying. We don't know. Which is why Rockstar needs to speak up and say one way or the other. If (and I say if) Rockstar really wants to stop griefing, they could do more than change some blips on the map. They could also do more than give people something to do because people are "bored and just looking to kill time." There are more efficient ways to stop griefing IF they really want to stop it and more than a few of those suggestions have even been mentioned on this forum board. I'm still at the point where I personally want them to put up or shut up. Why choose half steps to "lessen griefing" when full steps can be taken? IF THEY REALLY WANT TO STOP GRIEFING? Again, to mention WoW, I have to give them credit on how they addressed their community (at least when I played). I can remember getting a pretty good understanding of what was what because they actually told us. The same can't be said about this game. Even the other Wild West game that I mentioned took a more honest approach to answering the big questions. Because Rockstar has not at this point, it leads to speculation...which shouldn't be the case since their quoted materials definitely say one thing ("a fun and fair environment for everyone" where I could "Explore the world solo or with friends") but their actions don't match that. Yes, I realize it's still in beta.

What I can appreciate about another Wild West game is that they specifically stated "Our goals is improve that part (reference was to PvP), not care about PVE players. Game is not for them. they have literally nothing to do in a game and they will never will. It’ll never be a PVE game." That's honesty that I find refreshing and it let me know that wasn't a game for me. Rockstar should be just as honest and state what direction they want this game to take. Again, it's beta. I get that. But to say they are going to implement features to "discourage griefing" seems a little confusing. Are they acknowledging that griefing is wrong but only want to stop SOME of it? How much is too much? Why not get rid of it rather than "discourage" it if they find it wrong? Confusing. I bought into a game Rockstar touted as "a fun and fair environment for everyone" where I could "Explore the world solo or with friends" and I believe some others did too. Honesty is what is needed here. Just let gamers know what they are to expect from this game. I can play this game in what I consider full mode if they actually do something about the griefers--hunting, fishing and exploring the full game. If they don't do anything about the griefers, I can continue to play the partial game as I do mostly now, jumping in and out of the on call missions (which I do find enjoyable). Rockstar just needs to be honest about where they want this game to go. And they need to say it loudly. Hell, they could do that while the game is still in beta like that other game developer did. We all can speculate what we think Rockstar is going to do for days. But Rockstar needs to 'fess up on what the plan is and not be so wishy-washy about their stance on griefing. "a fun and fair environment for everyone" or not.

I haven't purchased gold and don't really plan to. I have purchased a few things with gold but it was with the free gold Rockstar gave us. I might be convinced to buy some gold if the game goes the way I feel it should in regards to griefing. I need to feel "we're in this together" before I would even consider doing that and the game is definitely not there yet. I just hope Rockstar does it while that bargain gold offer is still available. Clothes? Never. A weapon? Maybe. The only thing I've seen in the store that I definitely feel is worth purchasing is that fast travel from camp ability, especially with Cripps popping up in so many offbeat places. I'm getting a little saddle sore.

We don't know for sure where Rockstar is going with the game yet but, If no PvE servers, as long as Rockstar achieves what they said in their own promotional material for the game--"a fun and fair environment for everyone" while giving gamers the ability to "Explore the world solo or with friends"--I'd be happy with that. But I'd still prefer the PvE servers.

Well, my request for PvE servers still stands--and gets sent to Rockstar every day with the name of the horse's rear griefer that killed me most recently. But I think this toggle thing might work, too. I think someone mentioned WoW awhile ago. If I remember, didn't/doesn't it have something similar? The toggle for PvE would be on naturally, correct, allowing me to spawn in without one of the griefing murdering bullies popping me in the noggin? I'm willing to try anything after the mess we have now. Played for about five hours this morning, the first four or so just fishing and hunting--did the fast travel lobby to avoid the little griefers but they eventually started dotting up my map. Time to go... During those first four hours of just hunting and fishing, I'm not sure of the XP gained but I managed to reach full maximum honor. Hunting and fishing. (So I guess the only safe On Call mission to do now is "Kill Them All..." if I want to keep it at maximum, right? Rats!!) And yeah, I shot some animals but I would never marginalize or oversimplify this game by calling it a shooting game. If you read the promo material, that's not even the takeaway either. Rockstar mentioned "fun and fair environment for everyone" and "Explore the world solo or with friends." I say, let's have that. Toggle switch or separate PvE servers, I don't care. But this game needs something done.

Speaking of flags, lowered or not, a friend sent me this link after he saw it on another forum board. Looks legit to me. Rockstar, some of us want PvE servers.

Yes, only 5 this time and I believe I log in every day for at least a few of the quick missions. I posted yesterday that I thought it should be at least 10.

That says it all right there.

Rockstar's promotional material says Red Dead Redemption 2 Online is to be a "fun and fair environment for everyone" and that we can "Explore the world solo or with friends." Getting headshot while spawning in or while fishing doesn't quite fit that bill for me. Rockstar is going to do what they are going to do. I just wish they would be more honest about it. If they want the bullies to continue to act that way with no repercussions, they need to say so and let us know they're not going to follow what was said in their promotional material. Some people actually counted on them keeping their word (as stated in their own press releases). Of course, it's still a beta and maybe Rockstar will clean up the mess that this game is now. My best solution is to give us PvE servers along with whatever these servers are now. If that's not going to happen, I'm in favor of punishment fitting the crime for these back shooting bullies. If the combat is not mutual combat, the perpetrator needs to be dealt with, just like in the Old West. Loss of money doesn't hurt enough and neither does time in jail. I want 10 of their levels to disappear for every occurrence of nonmutual combat and their loss of levels would also prevent them from using weapons, clothing, etc., based on their new level. Sure, you can grief if you want, but it's going to cost you. I'd take that headshot a little better knowing there are some actual consequences behind the act.

My main request, the one that I append to every suggestion that I send to Rockstar, is that we get PvE servers. A few minutes ago, I spawned into Amarillo (I believe) after a quick roam mission and immediately squatted down to go into another. Even though I was squatting down, BANG!!! headshot with varmint rifle by some guy on a rooftop. I reported him in game and blocked him on PSN. Yup, the one change that I hope for is PvE servers. For me, everything else takes a backseat to that as far as changes go.

This game has so many different ways to get things done! Thanks for the tip, it will come in handy, especially after the 25Jan update (which didn't address anything of note for me). I'll be spending even more of my time playing these missions and this will make it much easier!

That's about the way I see it. And my personal thought is that it should have been at least 10 because I still can't really play the game "solo" and "fair" (Rockstar's own words) as Rockstar says I will be able to. I cannot play "my game" of hunting, fishing and exploring in a solo and safe environment. So I have to keep reminding myself that this is just a beta as I continue to hunker down to stay off the radar and fast travel/lobby surf to try and avoid the online bullies. Yup, they should have given me 10.

Yes, that's what I have to do to get one if those three (and I think two of those missions hurt my honor so I do them sparingly--I finally went from the lowest honor to the highest and wanted to stay there until we got the next update--but after we just got the update on 25Jan that did so very little, I guess it doesn't matter [sigh...]). I only get the option (sometimes) to replay the first three missions at the very top of the missions list, not one of "my fun ones."

I certainly hope the complaint feedback works, too. It's a little hard waiting for Rockstar to do anything about it though. From their page at https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/online: "We also ask for your help in keeping Red Dead Online a fun and fair environment for everyone. Please use the in-game reporting tools to report any abusive behavior..." Some how I don't find it fun or fair when someone headshots me when I'm spawning in or when I'm fishing. Or basically just minding my own business. One of the definitions of mutual combat is "Mutual combat is a fight or struggle which both parties enter willingly or where two persons, upon a sudden quarrel and in hot blood, mutually fight upon equal terms and where death results from the combat." We can only hope that Rockstar realizes that even in the Old West that existed. Mutual. My solution, separate PvE and PvP servers instead of the simple PvP servers we have now. Hang in there until this game comes out of beta or Rockstar starts implementing some of those anti griefing measures they keep talking about.

My last comment on this--I just got finished online chatting with another Sony person. This one assured me that the block limit is 100 but doesn't know why PSN computer browser access only let me add up to 50 while the console didn't limit me (yet any way). He provided me with a link to complain to Rockstar (as if my almost daily feedback to Rockstar isn't enough). But I'll use that, too, since it's different from the regular Rockstar feedback link.

This is crazy... I logged onto my Pro. I am able to add people there. I went back to my computer to see if the people were added and the number is now up to 56. But I tried to block another person using PSN computer access and it would not go. I went to my Pro and was able to block the person. And it then showed up (57) on my PSN computer browser access. It's as if the PSN computer browser access won't let me add anything over 50 but the console will. Very odd. Also odd that the Sony people weren't more familiar with this. Guess I'll be doing an online chat to get info on this too. I plugged a USB keyboard into my Pro and it's making it easy to re-input those names that didn't go in before. Thanks for the info on your over 50 list.

Just tried to re-block two more people thru PSN. I'm logged into my PSN account on my computer. The same 50 people are there (listed alphabetically from A to Y), it would not add the other two. I spoke with Sony people both in online chat and by phone and they both acknowledged that only 50 could be blocked and that they would have to put in a suggestion for more. I'm curious, were the people you added reported or just blocked? I'll try to do it from my console later but definitely I can't do it from my computer. Edit: And I am subscribed to a PS Plus account. I'll do some more investigating on that too.