Sigill MacFinn

So after stating the above I've now had 2 days with my camp spawning in random areas of the map as I always choose Great Plains - hate having to pay to move where I always locate when the game is throwing a wobbly - is anyone else seeing camps become more unstable again?

The French Dress shirt for men has a black variation with red flowers [roses?] on - the Salcedo also has some patterning at the centre & on the sides of the centre but I think its the variation of the French dress shirt that you are thinking of - not sure if female characters have something similar though.

Yeah on PC I'm really seeing the difference - hideouts & moonshine camps/blockades were all over the world a few days ago & in 4 hours of play today I've seen 1 moonshine camp mission appear on my map & NO legendary "question marks" at all - I'm back to avoiding the daily challenge for complete 3 x Bootlegger missions & having to run Bounties to max dailies again

I missed out on Pass 1 only coming to the game after receiving it for Xmas from my son, but I'd really like to see them add in some "Cavalry" trousers [blue with the yellow stripe] to finish off my John Dunbar outfit as the blue pants I've used are OK just not the real thing. But hey if clothes & outfits are the only problem we are having with the game then all is well in the world

Having taken only 2 days to get to Rank 20, just doing my normal gameplay, I stand by my original sentiment on the pass - its NOT worth 20 Gold Bars - getting a free decor token & getting the Gothic decor [which is a 50/50 look IMO] is of no use to me as I have all the decors, other people however may be grateful to receive what is essentially 2 decors with this pass. The clothing items are meh, some camera filters & photography shop backgrounds, rifle skins & Sedative rounds are again useless to me & make up the bulk of this pass along with a number of extremely ugly horse masks. I have NOT yet tried the new mode but I can confirm there appears to be NO changes to the regular world other than the Griefers seem to have come out of the woodwork in force!! Buy it if you are a bit of a completionist & have GB to spare then buy it, but if not then it is an easy opt-out.

For me the default is L - u can always go into settings & look for the assigned key & maybe change it to something u prefer

Are you on PC? Try opening the player menu & looking for the Camp & Properties tab - then hit CAMP - then Size & Location - then SMALL Camp - then whatever location you like to have [personally I like Great Plains] Camps have been [for me] pretty stable for a good 5 or 6 weeks now, so I'm not sure what camp glitch you are referring too??

Yeah I'm not sure that I want to pay out 15 GB for what amounts to some ammo & Naturalist items just for another Moonshine Decor [especially as I've bought all the existing decors] without recouping some of my outlay. Now if there were a few belts [for my trousers] thrown in there I probably would, but 20 levels for 15 GB isn't a good deal IMO

I quite like the new low population lobbies as nothing breaks immersion more than queueing behind 3 other players to loot a collectible or talk with a quest giver - especially when the quest giver says they will only "tell you" - yeah what about the 3 other bozo's that were stood here before me !!! Plus PC has now been given the expanded collectors collections [lol] for Fossils so I'm a bit worried that this is the limit for "expanded role" they spoke about!! Apart from eejits with Lasso's in things like Trade Route & Protect Legendary missions I have had very little grief since the change - except last weekend when I was in a lobby with 3 of us total & 1 of those decided to keep killing me up near Colter - over & over so much so that I left as there was just too much accuracy going on & insta-explosi-kill from across a huge valley for my liking! Other than that I'm happy there are less people around to break my immersion

Firstly, let me start by saying I STILL use the Jean Ropke/community collectors map Now to answer your question:- No, the role isn't broken, it is IMO now working as the Devs originally intended. Collector was always a big payer when used in conjunction with the map, this however is technically a cheat as it is not provided by R* but has been cracked/deciphered by the players & created to make the collectors role easier. Therefore, it is now more in line with the other roles for payouts - Bounty Hunts take a good 5 minutes plus to get very low $$ rewards, even making strong moonshine [without lowering mash price] only pays out $244 [less $50 mash] for almost 1 hour of gameplay, even the new naturalist pays out very low $$ for turning in samples to the lunatic Harriet. Although, IMO $$$ are pretty useless it's Gold Bars that are the real currency! Now, let me just address this to anyone that is still trying to rank up collector - this is still possible & it is still possible to make full sets just not as quickly & not as often, as I said above, IMO this is now WAI by the Devs, consider the Weekly Collection - the Devs give us 7 days to find 3 items when most days I can make the collection & hand in multiple times per week - that signals just how it was intended to originally work IMO. The thing to do is play the game in the new style brought in by the Naturalist role - slow down, take it all in, stalk & sample animals, kill & skin them for selling to Gus [for more low $$$ payouts] & make the clothing sets [if you want to fork out between $250 - $700+] for cosmetic only items that offer no better protection than a thick coat [& in a lot of cases don't work with Never Without One!! Don't get me wrong, the RNG sucks & I miss the days of 4 straight hours of collecting & turning in sets but now I just keep item levels to a certain point - I can say I have 5 sets of everything stored - except Arrows & Coins [2 of the sets that have been heavily impacted by the new RNG] & keep no more than 8 of most collection items loose in my satchel [except Caribbean Rum for Moonshining & Scotch Whisky as the Antique Alcohol mechanic is broken for me & no matter what I drink I consume a Scotch - Eggs of certain types I keep at 6 or 7 for the occasional collect challenge & some coins which the RNG refuses to give me!] everything else I sell down to 8 to Madam Nazar who I now visit twice per session so I don't draw a blank when I get to a random spot [although u still get the XP]! If you are trying to level up Collector I know the changes will have slowed the progression down but it is by no means broken & can be done in tandem with most other activities such as Trade Route, Protect Legendary & Animal Tagging, all of which pay XP & $$. Don't give up just take it slow & use the map if you want to!

OK so I've been meaning to test this since I saw ur post in the main topic & today I finally got round to it I can report:- A] Saloon in Valentine shows the poker chip symbol B] Saloon in Valentine allows me to interact with the poker table - I didn't go any further than the "buy in" screen C] I am PC in UK So it would appear that whatever it is that isn't working for you is localised??

Ok so another small patch earlier today which hasn't fixed the vanishing & moving Camp bug which returned when they "rolled back" a few days ago. I've also been suffering with the disappearing skins bug on & off the past 3 or 4 days. For me, game was working much better before the fixes - lol - YMMV

Yup - if you unlock it you keep it - just make sure to check the expiry dates on any vouchers you have

For some reason before all this latest update/patch fubar, wolves in the Hunting wagon never counted as "Predators" to Cripps for the daily that requires you to turn them in - on the back of the horse skins & a carcass - fine - 5 carcasses in the wagon - nope just adds the materials to his pile - haven't even tried using the wagon since the fubar & usually now I only hunt & gather for the daily challenges anyway & now I can pick & choose which of them I will go for with the 9 max limit applying!

Ok so a few more observations after this update. After the comments about collectible spawn changes in the patch notes, I kept my eye on a few things during my next gaming session. I noticed on Sunday that I seemed to be getting the same coin over & over to the point that I failed to collect 1 as I was maxxed on it, so I rode to Madam Nazar & sold a couple then went back to the spot but it was inactive, so I decided to do a bit of basic stat gathering on Monday. I like to collect the coins, I don't know why I like them but it's possibly that they seem to be such a real thing that has been handled by lawmen or dancing girls or just a farmhand, whatever it is they are my favourite thing to collect, so on Monday I made a note of what I found. Mondays game-time was appx 5 hours & was split up by 2 log offs [breaks not disconnects] & 3 events so it's difficult to establish whether any "random" rolls "re-set" or it's all just RNG, but I managed to collect 12 over a 5 hour play window:- 1] 1796 Halfpenny [1] 2] 1797 Gold Eagle 3] 1796 Halfpenny [2] 4] 1792 Nickel [1] 5] 1792 Nickel [2] 6) 1796 Halfpenny [3] [failed again as I had 10 by now - went to Nazar & sold 3] 7] 1796 Halfpenny [4] 8] 1781 1 Cent Token 9] 1800 5 Dollar Bechtler 10] 1796 Halfpenny [5] 11] 1700 New Yorke Token 12] 1789 Penny So you will see that 5 of then were the 1796 Halfpenny & 2 were the 1792 Nickel, which to me is disappointing RNG, especially when I was trying for a 1800 Gold Quarter to make a full-set. I tried a similar test with Arrowheads during the same session yesterday, but ineptly managed to miss the 1st 1 I pulled so after 9 gathered & only 8 written down 2x Rough & 2x Crude appeared in my list, along with an elusive Quartz which I needed for a set, so IMO Arrowheads may not have as bad RNG as coins !! YMMV I know lots of people are having unstable or unplayable games but wondered would the community here run a similar experiment with coins & try & capture what the RNG looks like over any amount of gametime you can please? Purely for interest! cheers

Update to the above comment - I have noticed now that when it gives the completion message a 1.5 GB "reward" flashes up also - this means the cap isn't restricting GB gathering completely.

This is spot on - especially try & get a close-up shot if you do the Legendary Animal free roam mission where you have to protect it & help it escape - whilst it is out of the cage you can get a shot & that updates the book also

Update to this for further observations:- 1] Weapon/Gear wheel is IMO definitely broken now - have to come all the way out wait a few seconds & go back in to do things like brush then feed my horse & things can stay greyed out for 3 or 4 "openings" of the wheel! 2] Antique Alcohol - got to a Caribbean Run spawn & it was greyed out - checked bag - had 10 - highlighted it & hit enter - drank a bottle of Scotch Whisky - re-highlighted Caribbean Rum - hit enter - drank another Scotch - I gave up trying after blacking out & waking up a short distance away minus 4 bottles of Scotch - this might be awkward!! 3] Wilderness Camp - WoW! what a let-down - a small campfire nothing else - hoping they introduce a few homely touches like a blanket draped saddle to lean on or a rug or anything - very underwhelming & on 1st try to set it out it told me no room for a camp here so moved further away - made the disappointment even greater when after that it was just the fire & despite getting it free, R* then gave me a 30% discount voucher for it ??? lmfao 4] Trinket crafting - much like Story mode you need to sell Gus [the Naturalist hunter!] the animal parts for him to then craft items when you have the associated "treasure" item - this isn't made clear when you interact with him with the parts in your inventory - could be made more clear IMO

Also on PC but haven't seen this happen to me same system except NVidia 970 - the "error" I get means I can't tab when in game as it locks the whole PC up - fiddled with a few graphics session earlier but still same problem. Good luck getting it fixed

James is absolutely correct - the animal spawns are huge, so much so I'm creating roadkill at about 4 animals per session whereas in the past it was very rare to cause roadkill on my horse - this can be bad on the day the challenge is "don't kill any animals for 12 hours"! Put it this way - up near the top of the map by the inventors place I was skinning a 1* Cougar when a 2* Cougar attacked me! IMO they may need to dial down the spawns just the taddiest of tads as it is a bit insane!

Ok so posting some general observations here rather than the "comment/discuss" the new role topic as these observations are more "general" than specific. After a frustrating day of play due to my alt-tab failing again resulting in the PC locking up completely needing a hard reboot I have discovered a couple of things that I am less than pleased about. In no particular order:- 1] When you have a captive bounty on your horse it no longer displays to you as "Rachel Grant" etc it just says Stranger - so when you unload them at the Sheriffs that little bit of detail has gone - I didn't like that 2] There will be a conflict with the new role & Cripps' empire as when I killed a Cougar that attacked me [literally right on the outskirts of Annesburg, on the road] it flashed up that Harriet [the new role girl] would be less happy with me if I continued killing animals - this is obviously a reflection of the antagonism between her & Gus the other protagonist for the new role - this might seriously hamper anyones trader empire or any time spent generally hunting - personally it's Squirrels for me, pesky varmints but I digress. On to No. 3 & for me the biggest gggrrr of the day;- 3] They cap the daily role challenges at 9 completed , actually locking any partially completed or not started role challenges which IMO is a big hindrance to GB gathering - I had 2/3 Predator carcasses, which the above mentioned Cougar would have finished that challenge off nicely but it locked after I sold 3 items to Gypsy girl, reaching 9 & locking the rest out - not happy, didn't like it & for me that is a huge blow to GB collecting which I [did] like to do! 4] My gun/gear wheel is broken - I used to be able to bring up my gun wheel I move the mouse to highlight which weapon I wanted - I can still bring the wheel up but it doesn't respond quite the same anymore making quickly choosing or switching weapons on the fly that much more difficult - again another minus for me for that. Hoping to get some more playtime in tomorrow & will report anything else I believe they have broken or changed for the worst here, as I didn't really do anything for the new role except the daily challenge which I now know I can in future drop in favour of others for the 9 per day cap now

I've been having a few problems getting the "sedative" to work on animals but that could be because I am a crap shot & am used to hitting from much further away than the tranq dart needs to be effective with a Varmint rifle! Seems they have introduced a bit of a conflict of interest with the animal trader "Gus" & Cripps trading empire IMO but haven't explored that fully yet, so it might not be as difficult as it looked on 1st pass Speaking of pass the rewards do look nice again & a nice spread of newer role stuff too - managed to spend 65 GB in 1 hour after the update on weapons & stuff inc. the 25GB for the role Love, love, love the new layout for challenges & waiting to see what they have added for the collections & collectible locations - wonder how soon it will take the community to "catch up" Had to skim read the "fixes" on the patch - wow so very many - hopefully it will make the game playable & stable for so many who have had massive problems & we see more players return - I hope so Overall, day 1 after a couple hours, it's made my game just that tad more lovely

Pass is well worth getting if you have the Gold, which hopefully is what they charge for it again this time round - with the last pass it cost 40 gold & you got that back in vouchers if you progressed far enough, making it effectively free stuff!! It also opens up some nice cosmetic items too & getting a free dog [the Husky] as I was considering buying 1 from the store was perfect timing - plus the dog counts for the "pet a dog" daily gold challenge. Rewards are given out almost every level so you keep on getting "things" either clothing or gear for horses or stuff for the moonshine shack or camp - something new all the time - even discount vouchers are nice especially if you have been considering adding a horse or camp item or maybe a weapon change, but not sure you want to spend hard earned Gold or RD$ All in all I would very definitely say, yes, it's worth getting if you have the Gold

The falling thing is a grief/hack attack - best defence is as soon as it happens log out of the game - that does/should avoid the fall death & any injury to your horse - then just log back in either to your camp or free roaming if you were up to something in particular As for the 2nd thing, not seen this before but sounds like its a hack - same advice - logout then log back in - you should then be in another "world" & safe from the hacker - if you can remember the player name you can always check who is in the world with you Hacking & Griefing have died out a bit as many of them have left the game but there are a few still around & it will get worse with the release of new content next week as some people just want to "watch the world burn" Good luck out there

I only ever bought the Collectors saddle as I liked its looks but then everywhere u look for saddle tips just says to use Nagodoches & Bell stirrups so I've kitted all my mounts out with those now Not much help though with your enquiry