Pro Tips to END being GRIEFED.

[sykout]

-Load up in a zone you don't plan on farming in, then travel to the area of your choice

-Always play defensively = check map, shoot first then relocate, etc - (Do not assume people are friendly at first, assume the opposite)

BIGGEST TIP =  Get the ability 'never without one' - it requires you to be level 48 (I know) but this gives you a free headshot to retaliate before it is too late, if you are on your horse you can quickly equip another hat

-If you are a fisher, use the companion app to bring up your map to see if you are being rushed.

-BUY horse insurance.

-Avoid major hotspots when farming ( blackwater, saint denis, valentine = depending on the population of server)

-Ride to a farther butcher if needed, just hunt along the way.

 

I personally have never been griefed, but these little tips have helped me out.  I also shoot everyone that rides directly at me first - but I don't pursue them afterwards.  Think about it, even the npcs get angry if you ride to close....

 

Good luck out there - hope any of these small tips helped.

 

[HuDawg]

36 minutes ago, sykout said:

-Load up in a zone you don't plan on farming in, then travel to the area of your choice

-Always play defensively = check map, shoot first then relocate, etc - (Do not assume people are friendly at first, assume the opposite)

 

Shooting 1st is never the best option.  This might just make someone who was just passing by, become your worst enemy for the rest of the session.  And usually, good pvp players won't shoot 1st. 

 

 

If someone is riding at you with no weapons drawn.   Play it cool.

If someone is riding at you with weapons drawn but relaxed.  Play it cool or draw yours and relax.

If someone is riding toward you with weapons drawn and ready.  Then shoot 1st.

On foot with no weapons drawn..  relax.

On foot with weapons drawn, relaxed or not.  Probably better to shoot 1st.  

Always watch you back, (Spin the camera if the pass by)  Because some are snakes in the grass and will shoot you in the back.

Also.. try talking to them.  

 

 

IMO people should force themselves to play PVP modes as much as they can. And focus on dying as least as possible but still getting kills.  This helps take the edge off in free roam encounters.     

Edited December 14, 2018 by HuDawg

[BropolloCreed79]

You are overthinking this:

That's how it's done.

[sykout]

40 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

Shooting 1st is never the best option.  This might just make someone who was just passing by, become your worst enemy for the rest of the session.  And usually, good pvp players won't shoot 1st. 

 

 

If someone is riding at you with no weapons drawn.   Play it cool.

If someone is riding at you with weapons drawn but relaxed.  Play it cool or draw yours and relax.

If someone is riding toward you with weapons drawn and ready.  Then shoot 1st.

On foot with no weapons drawn..  relax.

On foot with weapons drawn, relaxed or not.  Probably better to shoot 1st.  

Always watch you back, (Spin the camera if the pass by)  Because some are snakes in the grass and will shoot you in the back.

Also.. try talking to them.  

 

 

IMO people should force themselves to play PVP modes as much as they can. And focus on dying as least as possible but still getting kills.  This helps take the edge off in free roam encounters.     

If i'm off the road hunting and someone rides towards me - they die.  Their intentions are never good  - like I said - I've never been griefed and for good reason.  The second you give someone the benefit of the doubt - you'll regret it.  Nobody just rides their horse at full speed towards somebody that's off the road just to say hello.

[sykout]

3 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

You are overthinking this:

That's how it's done.

I'm the party pooopa.

[Kean_1]

The only time I give someone the benefit of the doubt (allow myself to be vulnerable) is when I'm in town or passing on a road or similar and I can see they are more than likely just going on about their business.  Just last night I ran into another player going the fence I just visited.  I didn't draw my weapon on them and we passed each other with no drama.

However, I make it a habit of giving players a wide berth in the rare cases where our paths may cross.  I don't "ride up" on people and I expect the same from them.  If someone approaches me when I'm off the road, in the wilderness, etc., I treat them as hostile.   If I see someone on the map making a B line for me even after I have changed course, I treat them as hostile.   

I rarely ever hear anyone on mic in this game unless they are in a posse and/or my friends.  If more people spoke before coming toward players, there might be fewer misunderstandings. 

[HuDawg]

2 hours ago, sykout said:

If i'm off the road hunting and someone rides towards me - they die.  Their intentions are never good  - like I said - I've never been griefed and for good reason. 

If you've never been griefed?   So why so paranoid?

If you keep shooting at everyone on sight,  you'll provoke players into a  battle with you.  Considering people tend to re-spawn close and some will chase you to the ends of the maps.       

For example.. Anyone shooting me for no reason..  Especially with my guns holstered means they wanna battle.  I don't care if was riding my horse in their  direction.   

[CyberViper]

I never shoot first, although I must admit, I welcome people who do. Last night I headed over to the Dakota RIver for some salmon farming and saw someone else fishing there. He had his rod out and was obviously defenseless. I simply posted up across the river from him and took my rod out. He waved - gave me a carcass off the back of his horse and we proceeded to whip out the varmint rifles and start shooting the hell out of the spawning salmon. 

He waved again and started heading to Valentine's butcher. I saw some pinks in Valentine and figured I'd head over there with him in case they were hostile. I gave him the carcass back and told him I'd ride in first and if they were hostile I'd distract them so he could get to the butcher without losing his pelts and carcass. 

As expected, they attacked me as I approached the butcher. I respawned, killed them both, then hunted them down while he safely sold his items. I make so much $$ in showdowns that losing pelts doesn't bother me much. Neither does the $4 fee for killing your horse.

I'm a pretty vindictive SOB. Had someone shoot me a day or so ago, while I was riding into Strawberry. He was on his way out and I thought we'd just politely pass each other. I ended up chasing him across half the map just to kill him and his horse. 

I've added about 9 PS4 friends since I started playing this game. A lot of people are really cool. But if you shoot first - for whatever reason - be prepared to be hunted down. 

[HuDawg]

15 hours ago, CyberViper said:

I never shoot first, although I must admit, I welcome people who do.

Can't be griefed if you're into it.  ...lol

Thats how I see it..  

[Abysstic]

When on your horse or even on the ground  pressing down on the right stick (PS4) will pan the camera to show what’s behind you. 

[sykout]

Just to give more credence to my examples - I was hunting off the road in new Austin - somebody rode crazy fast right to my position - no gun out.  But, then he quickly pulled out a shotgun and tried to kill my horse - I gunned him down.  This is the reason why you never trust anyone that runs at you whilst hunting.  Just put them down and move on!

[sykout]

18 hours ago, HuDawg said:

If you've never been griefed?   So why so paranoid?

If you keep shooting at everyone on sight,  you'll provoke players into a  battle with you.  Considering people tend to re-spawn close and some will chase you to the ends of the maps.       

For example.. Anyone shooting me for no reason..  Especially with my guns holstered means they wanna battle.  I don't care if was riding my horse in their  direction.   

It's not that there isn't a reason...they shouldn't be making a dash towards me while i'm nowhere near a road  - so I preemptively defend myself by killing them.  I've had many try, but it's the nature of these types of games to be 'paranoid.'  Although I don't see it as paranoia - more like extreme defense.  LOL.  I have had many try to get 'revenge' by running at me again even though I've relocated but I end up just killing them again - and again if need be.  They are usually much worse at the game, which is why they try to cap defenseless hunters and/or fishermen in the first place.  

[sykout]

19 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

The only time I give someone the benefit of the doubt (allow myself to be vulnerable) is when I'm in town or passing on a road or similar and I can see they are more than likely just going on about their business.  Just last night I ran into another player going the fence I just visited.  I didn't draw my weapon on them and we passed each other with no drama.

However, I make it a habit of giving players a wide berth in the rare cases where our paths may cross.  I don't "ride up" on people and I expect the same from them.  If someone approaches me when I'm off the road, in the wilderness, etc., I treat them as hostile.   If I see someone on the map making a B line for me even after I have changed course, I treat them as hostile.   

I rarely ever hear anyone on mic in this game unless they are in a posse and/or my friends.  If more people spoke before coming toward players, there might be fewer misunderstandings. 

This could be true, but I have begun to just leave the chat channel or mute people because for some reason people play with their sound on so high it bleeds into their microphones - and/or people are just plain LOUD.

 

Maybe have a white flag on your horse?  LOL, that could be interesting.

[Kean_1]

47 minutes ago, sykout said:

This could be true, but I have begun to just leave the chat channel or mute people because for some reason people play with their sound on so high it bleeds into their microphones - and/or people are just plain LOUD.

 

Maybe have a white flag on your horse?  LOL, that could be interesting.

You know.....  I like that actually.

Instead of a white flag, perhaps players could be color coded on the map based on their level of hostility toward others. 

Although I like the white flag idea as that could be something that could act as a sort of passive mode for players that want to do their business in town, etc. without the threat of being attacked.  .....of course time limits and the mechanics would need to be ironed out to keep griefers from taking advantage of it. 

Maybe if someone uses a white flag but then attacks someone within while raised or within a certain time frame after its lowered will be labeled as a hostile for all to see and a bounty offered?  ......or something like that.  .....just spitballin' here.

[Kean_1]

I don't know how many of you missed this in the 12/14 R* Newswire bit but......

Quote

Upcoming Updates to the Red Dead Online Beta: We have been poring through incoming community input and suggestions and are working on updates for early 2019 to address many popular bits of feedback including some new anti-griefing measures in the works and other updates to improve gameplay balance. We are also working on lots of new features, modes and additional Red Dead Online gameplay content updates that we are very excited to share more about in the new year.

 

[HuDawg]

2 hours ago, sykout said:

Just to give more credence to my examples - I was hunting off the road in new Austin - somebody rode crazy fast right to my position - no gun out.  But, then he quickly pulled out a shotgun and tried to kill my horse - I gunned him down.  This is the reason why you never trust anyone that runs at you whilst hunting.  Just put them down and move on!

I understand that theres some pretty dumb players that may do dumb sh*t.  I' ve ran into some.

But most people are not hostile.    And what you killed is a bottom of the barrel type griefer.

 

Eventually you'll kill the wrong person at the wrong time.   And get spawned killed silly till you have to leave.

Edited December 15, 2018 by HuDawg

[Archer_58]

In my mind shooting first makes you no better than the others causing the problem. I'll be back when there is private free roam.

[HuDawg]

49 minutes ago, Archer_58 said:

In my mind shooting first makes you no better than the others causing the problem. 

Ya..  thats kind of true.

 

But if you're not trying to battle players..  Then shooting everyone that comes near you isn't going to help.

Really tho.. Most people don't shoot.   

I tried keeping track for fun yesterday.   10 different lobbies.  42 players didn't shoot at me that came close.  Some even wave..

 

2 players attacked me..   And sweet lord they sucked.

 

[DLKnives]

1 hour ago, Archer_58 said:

In my mind shooting first makes you no better than the others causing the problem. I'll be back when there is private free roam.

Ehhh, not so much. I was just fishing and a guy rides up lasso out so I hit him with the pump. Again he runs up and I kill him. Once more he tries it and I kill him. Then he picks me off twice with the rolling block rifle then rushes me again and I kill him. He parleys, then rushes me at the butcher and keeps lassoing me. Blocked and reported. Can't fish in peace - but that is the first time someone ganked me that bad while fishing.

[cory206]

Some people get too serious in here. I try to remember it's a game and I play it for fun, sometimes I wish others would too. The one thing you can do in here you can't do in RL is die with no consequence, so it's actually something I quite enjoy. Falling off a bridge or building or taking a rifle shot in the head, it's a laugh, you just appear half a mile away fully healed and keep playing, what's the problem?

There are of course things I enjoy playing with more than a head full of bullets, so if I'm not in the mood I'll generally shift server or go for a race, it only takes seconds. But today, having just spawned in, still checking my map, three guys on two horses come by. I'm just standing, no gun, and it's the usual tired old lasoo, hogtie, shot in the head routine... where's the fun in that tired old play, everyone's done it now. So, not being in the mood, I went after them and made them pay, much more than I expected I have to say, cos I usually can't shoot for sh*t, but after two runs at them I ran away, and so did they.

I can't think of them as griefers, that's too bitter, they're just playing, as I was, before, during, and after. I'm not daft, I'm getting my money's worth.

[Kean_1]

2 hours ago, Archer_58 said:

In my mind shooting first makes you no better than the others causing the problem. I'll be back when there is private free roam.

Well, in my mind it all depends on the situation.  Personally, I'm not dumb enough to go riding up on someone who is off the beaten track, skinning an animal, fishing, etc.  I'm smart and courteous enough give other players a wide berth to make them feel more at ease in regard to my intentions.  If someone is dumb enough to make a beeline for me in one of those instances, yeah, I'm going to shoot first and IMO, they deserve it.  

Having said that, I will not shoot first at people on roads, in towns or in other similar situations where they may be simply going about their business.  If someone rides up on me to go to the butcher for instance while I'm there, I'm going to hold my fire.  .....but then again, i'm not going to linger.  I will get on my horse and put some distance between us as soon as I'm through.

When I pass people on roads, I continue going but swing wide if possible.  It's when people make deliberate moves (and especially quick moves) toward me is when we have a problem.  With that in mind, I rarely ever have had to draw on someone because they got too close while playing solo.  I make every effort to keep my distance even when I see someone coming toward me when they shouldn't (e.g. off the road, in the wilderness, etc.). .....and that in mind mind is nothing like the griefers that kill with no reason.

 

[DLKnives]

I am the same way Kean, I rarely shoot first and I die because of it but usually it's no big deal. I've had players come up when I was killing pigs in Valentine and we shared! It does happen.

When I see a town with a bunch of dots in it I steer clear and the same for my travelling - I try to avoid them.

[Kean_1]

37 minutes ago, cory206 said:

Some people get too serious in here. I try to remember it's a game and I play it for fun, sometimes I wish others would too. The one thing you can do in here you can't do in RL is die with no consequence, so it's actually something I quite enjoy. Falling off a bridge or building or taking a rifle shot in the head, it's a laugh, you just appear half a mile away fully healed and keep playing, what's the problem?

There are of course things I enjoy playing with more than a head full of bullets, so if I'm not in the mood I'll generally shift server or go for a race, it only takes seconds. But today, having just spawned in, still checking my map, three guys on two horses come by. I'm just standing, no gun, and it's the usual tired old lasoo, hogtie, shot in the head routine... where's the fun in that tired old play, everyone's done it now. So, not being in the mood, I went after them and made them pay, much more than I expected I have to say, cos I usually can't shoot for sh*t, but after two runs at them I ran away, and so did they.

I can't think of them as griefers, that's too bitter, they're just playing, as I was, before, during, and after. I'm not daft, I'm getting my money's worth.

It has nothing to do with being too serious but everything to do with wanting to enjoy the game as well.  IMO, it's not fun (or worth it) to lose a horse full of pelts or get tied up and dragged around, etc. simply for someone else's amusement.  The fact is, there are no repercussions at the moment for griefers as I believe there should be.  ......and no, I'm not being too harsh.  The whole purpose of someone killing you while you're minding your own business is to cause them grief.  .....hence the name.

Either way I could care less if griefers feel offended by the term or if some folks think we are being too serious because in the end R* has recognized that one of their top complaints is regarding this problem and will be doing something about it after the holidays.  Hell, even they recognize and use the term griefers/griefing.  

 

[Kean_1]

5 minutes ago, DLKnives said:

I am the same way Kean, I rarely shoot first and I die because of it but usually it's no big deal. I've had players come up when I was killing pigs in Valentine and we shared! It does happen.

When I see a town with a bunch of dots in it I steer clear and the same for my travelling - I try to avoid them.

If someone does ride up on me but does it in a such a way that isn't provocative and slow (without a gun drawn), I'll give them benefit of the doubt,  I've done it before.

In one recent session I had someone send me friend request and then appear near us.  I thought he rode up unnoticed while my friend and I were busy looting.  Luckily, we didn't shoot mainly because he simply stood there with no weapon drawn with a few yards distance between us.  It turned out it was the new player I had just befriended.  He said that he expected that we were going to shoot.  lol

[cory206]

Sorry Kean, don't want you to think I don't take it or you seriously, and I get what you're saying, particularly losing pelts, or big fish, to begin with I hated losing stuff and I'm not saying it's easy to say it's just a game, that comes with it feeling so real, I get why people call it that. I'm all for consequences, I would like a penalty on bad honour, but I have to admit, as much as I love to role-play a ridiculously friendly character (I wave, a lot), I have to allow that some want to role-play the irredeemable outlaw, the Micah Bell if you will. I guess I'm trying to find a way to keep enjoying it for as long as I can. 

I'm an old sod, and casual gamer, but I'm mainly single-player, and for me, probably because I'm older, I still get an actual kick out of it being other people, all over Europe, playing together. This tech is fab, really, I feel I lost so much of my life to Sonic, I was cheated! I'm just trying to enjoy it, not down on anyone, really.

[Kean_1]

49 minutes ago, cory206 said:

Sorry Kean, don't want you to think I don't take it or you seriously, and I get what you're saying, particularly losing pelts, or big fish, to begin with I hated losing stuff and I'm not saying it's easy to say it's just a game, that comes with it feeling so real, I get why people call it that. I'm all for consequences, I would like a penalty on bad honour, but I have to admit, as much as I love to role-play a ridiculously friendly character (I wave, a lot), I have to allow that some want to role-play the irredeemable outlaw, the Micah Bell if you will. I guess I'm trying to find a way to keep enjoying it for as long as I can. 

I'm an old sod, and casual gamer, but I'm mainly single-player, and for me, probably because I'm older, I still get an actual kick out of it being other people, all over Europe, playing together. This tech is fab, really, I feel I lost so much of my life to Sonic, I was cheated! I'm just trying to enjoy it, not down on anyone, really.

Well, I'm no spring chicken either (past the half century mark myself) so I get what you're saying about folks who take themselves too serious.   ....and yeah, I don't think it's anything more than just a game but the whole reason I play games is to have fun.   ......and being the target of griefers is simply not what I call fun.  I want to enjoy the other activities in the game, explore, play the missions, etc.  

I'm far from a roleplayer, I love to screw around and even enjoy a level of risk from other players, but in a game that requires you to grind for your money, it's gets old really fast when some folks just want to go around ruining others experience.  Especially in a game mode that gives those types of players an unfair advantage.  There is no advantage to doing this except for the enjoyment that the griefers get out it.

Personally, I hope they implement private sessions soon and balance the gameplay in Free Roam.   IMO, the game should be fun for everyone and right now, it just isn't.  I've learned to get around the problem of griefing for now but it's obvious that a lot of others are just fed up.

I think folks should be able to be "bad guys" but I also think that there should be consequences.  .....e.g. bounties other players can collect, law / posses that react, etc. Maybe even making zones of various risk with varying levels of law enforcement / response. As it is, there is simply no or little risk involved for this behavior.

.....and btw, there are still plenty of ways of being a "bad guy" in this game without going around randomly bullying and killing fellow players.  

IMO, the problem is R*s way of trying to blend PvP and PvE together in one mode without some form of balance.  Hopefully they remedy that soon.  

[WhiskeySour]

On 12/15/2018 at 2:08 PM, Kean_1 said:

I don't know how many of you missed this in the 12/14 R* Newswire bit but......

 

Quote

Upcoming Updates to the Red Dead Online Beta: We have been poring through incoming community input and suggestions and are working on updates for early 2019 to address many popular bits of feedback including some new anti-griefing measures in the works and other updates to improve gameplay balance. We are also working on lots of new features, modes and additional Red Dead Online gameplay content updates that we are very excited to share more about in the new year.

I doubt their idea of anti-griefing is anywhere close to my idea of anti-griefing. Right now I think parley is one of their anti-griefing ideas.

[Kean_1]

1 minute ago, WhiskeySour said:

I doubt their idea of anti-griefing is anywhere close to my idea of anti-griefing. Right now I think parley is one of their anti-griefing ideas.

Well, I think it's obvious to them that many others felt the same way and they say they are going to do something about it.  While I know some will assume the worse, I'm going to take a wait and see approach.  Changes will be coming after the holidays.

[HuDawg]

4 hours ago, WhiskeySour said:

I doubt their idea of anti-griefing is anywhere close to my idea of anti-griefing. Right now I think parley is one of their anti-griefing ideas.

All anti-griefing ideas are equally horrible.  Because it either some how helps the griefer, dumbs the game down or just makes the game look silly.

We need auto aim/free aim lobbies.

 

Then a sub set of options.

Invite only.

Friends/Crew/Posse Only

Friendly Public Lobbies  (friendly fire disabled against players and their horses)

 Normal lobbies.  For everyone who wants it rough and unpredictable.

 

 

 

[Netnow66]

On 12/15/2018 at 11:59 AM, sykout said:

Just to give more credence to my examples - I was hunting off the road in new Austin - somebody rode crazy fast right to my position - no gun out.  But, then he quickly pulled out a shotgun and tried to kill my horse - I gunned him down.  This is the reason why you never trust anyone that runs at you whilst hunting.  Just put them down and move on!

If I had run in to you online, I'd have been dead.

There is a skill level involved when some of the griefing solutions are mentioned. And I'm not that good a player.

I'm so bad a player that along with accidentally punching my horse on occasion, once I tried to wave at a player and mistakenly pulled my pistol and shot at his feet. I immediately turned my back to him to try and show that I'm not hostile. This guy, whoever he was, was such a class act that even though he now had his gun drawn, he didn't shoot me. I finally figured got the wave figured out, but did it with my back to him.

And I'm such a PvEer that I actually had the drop on someone coming all the way across a small river toward me but I was giving him the benefit of the doubt. Yeah, he popped me good.