Who will turn on the gang first?

[LinXX]

This may be a stupid question and it may have even been mentioned in RDR but I am curious what you guys think.

Since we know John and Abagail meet while being in Dutch's gang, who do you think actually initiates the turn against them first? 

[VampireKrush]

I am guessing them leaving has to do with her getting pregnant so I think when she learns she is pregnant, maybe John is the one to find a way out for them. I can't recall the exact age of Jack but given the years of this game and the last one, I would say Abagail got pregnant before they went on the run. 

[Benjo]

1 hour ago, VampireKrush said:

I am guessing them leaving has to do with her getting pregnant so I think when she learns she is pregnant, maybe John is the one to find a way out for them. I can't recall the exact age of Jack but given the years of this game and the last one, I would say Abagail got pregnant before they went on the run. 

Everyone keeps forgetting that Marston had a daughter who was older than Jack. If Abigail is pregnant, it's likely with their first child, not Jack.

[Reyes]

On 5/12/2018 at 11:43 PM, Benjo said:

Everyone keeps forgetting that Marston had a daughter who was older than Jack. If Abigail is pregnant, it's likely with their first child, not Jack.

I actually forgot about her. Good point. Is that her kid though or is that with another woman? I don't remember the details with that. 

[Benjo]

1 hour ago, Reyes said:

I actually forgot about her. Good point. Is that her kid though or is that with another woman? I don't remember the details with that. 

I don't think it's been revealed whose kid it was but you could assume it's Abigail's. It was just in a bit of dialogue when John was riding with someone. 

[YodaMan 3D]

If I remember correctly, she was lived/died after John and Abigail left the gang.   I believe she was John and Abigails, but Abigail had been passed round by the gang that they ran with, so the daughter could have been anybody's.

[Benjo]

11 hours ago, YodaMan 3D said:

If I remember correctly, she was lived/died after John and Abigail left the gang.   I believe she was John and Abigails, but Abigail had been passed round by the gang that they ran with, so the daughter could have been anybody's.

John say's "We had a daughter" so I think that is some clue

[YodaMan 3D]

9 hours ago, Benjo said:

John say's "We had a daughter" so I think that is some clue

During this day and age, I know several men that claim children as their own, because the dad's are deadbeats.

[DaveSpeek]

On 5/16/2018 at 3:20 PM, YodaMan 3D said:

but Abigail had been passed round by the gang that they ran with, so the daughter could have been anybody's.

That line made me LOL

But yeah it isn't like they had any way of knowing who's kid belonged to who. She was a prostitute and good boy John would have claimed her as his own even if she wasn't his. 

[Benjo]

John: "Yeah it's mine, I'm gonna look after her"

Also John:

[BelleStarr]

In one of the trailers, it's hard to see, but it is believed that Abigail is in shot with a small child, outside of the camp. They may have a child already in RDR2, possibly Jack. The daughter, for all we know, could have been stillborn or died as a young baby. I would guess that Abigail likely picks up on things about the gang and Dutch and tries to get John to leave, to maybe live an honest, family life style, but maybe he doesn't listen as he views the gang as a family almost. It is only when he is left for dead that he realises she was right about them, but that's just my guess. People are painting the picture of John as naive and almost boy like whilst in the gang and it's only after realisations, betrayal and heartbreak that he becomes the man we first met.

[Benjo]

"Born in 1895, Jack is the only living child of John and Abigail Marston, and the sole-surviving member of the Marston family.

In 1906, John was badly wounded in a botched bank robbery. John took this as an opportunity to abandon his life of crime after he was left for dead, as John often puts it. John left with Abigail and Jack, (and presumably his daughter, who is implied to have still been alive in 1906 as stated by Javier Escuella in "The Gates of El Presidio") relocating to a ranch on Beecher's Hope to try and start afresh as farmers and give Jack a safer, quieter life."

[CMcC]

On 5/20/2018 at 9:45 PM, Benjo said:

"Born in 1895, Jack is the only living child of John and Abigail Marston, and the sole-surviving member of the Marston family.

In 1906, John was badly wounded in a botched bank robbery. John took this as an opportunity to abandon his life of crime after he was left for dead, as John often puts it. John left with Abigail and Jack, (and presumably his daughter, who is implied to have still been alive in 1906 as stated by Javier Escuella in "The Gates of El Presidio") relocating to a ranch on Beecher's Hope to try and start afresh as farmers and give Jack a safer, quieter life."

what are you quoting? 

[Benjo]

1 hour ago, CMcC said:

what are you quoting? 

I think it was the RDR wiki

[CrabApples]

Wait what year does the game start again? Was it 1897? So that would mean that Jack is already alive?? I have to rewatch these trailers again. 

[liquidfire]

On 5/25/2018 at 11:18 PM, CrabApples said:

Wait what year does the game start again? Was it 1897? So that would mean that Jack is already alive?? I have to rewatch these trailers again. 

Yeah something like that. I don't think the exact year matters.

As for the OP, I think Arthur will turn. I think him and John end up working together at some point and maybe John screws him over to look out for his family.