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This discussion has sort of gone off the rails but since the OP joined in as well I figured, what the hell. Here's my perspective...... Personally, I never agreed with @Netnow66's view on R* "false advertising" the online experience or not delivering the proper balance in RDO. The issue is the extent at which they balanced the game not meeting expectations. I don't think some will ever be happy with RDO until R* provides separate, private lobbies or truely passive experience, free aim lobbies, etc. R* has made it clear that is not the direction they are interested in going and IMO, they have been doing a lot to make the experience more flexible to different playstyles. .....and they continue to tweak it. Right, wrong or indifferent, R* has designed RDO as a one-stop online experience and IMO they have done a decent job of trying to make it accessible to various types of players. Sure, griefing is still an issue but it can be mitigated through the use of certain in-game features, choice of mission types, tactics, etc. It's simply not as prevalent as some make it out to be IMO. You just can't play the game with blinders on expecting that Defensive Mode (or any of the features) will act as a passive shield against other players. I understand the desire to have passive options but simply don't agree with the argument that R* somehow cheated people into thinking that would be the case. .....but I doubt we will ever see eye to eye on this. Now, glitching yourself into solo sessions...... I have zero problem with this. In fact, I do it myself in GTAO. Much like in @Netnow66's case, I have absolutely no interest in playing against other players when it comes to GTAO. Yes, I use the MTU settings to force myself into a solo session or one with like-minded people but that's essentially the only way I ever play the game. ......that or friend-only sessions when my buddies are on and want to run missions. I don't participate in PvP events nor engage other players in public sessions by disrupting their missions, griefing, etc. In RDO, if @Netnow66 has a way to enjoy the game playing solo, I say more power to him and others who do the same. I don't consider it cheating at all especially since it really has no effect on anyone else in how he uses it. ......and I don't buy the idea that it unfairly robs people of a target who legitimately raid other players missions. The fact is, folks like Netnow simply wouldn't participate in those types of missions anyhow. ....or perhaps wouldn't even play the game if they didn't have the choice they do now. Personally, I wouldn't be playing GTAO if it wasn't for the MTU work-around but I also don't use it to my advantage against other players. I simply don't like the level of griefing that's allowed in that game. The MTU trick in GTA is widely known even to R*. I think they've tolerated it all these years because of the access it gives solo players to a lot of the activities in the game they can't get via a private session. They are not blind to it and have the ability to deny folks the use of it like they did in RDO. ....but then again, unlike GTAO, R* has taken big steps to help mitigate griefing in RDO and continue to do so. They really want RDO to be an experience everyone can enjoy. This is the only reason I play online in RDR2. If it were anything like GTAO in that regard (as some want it to be), I wouldn't likely be here. .....or I would be doing something similar to Net's solution. Having said that, if someone is using the MTU trick in GTAO or the solo session glitch in RDO to gain unfair advantages against other players in either game, that's cheating plain and simple. On the other hand, if folks are using it to enjoy the game the only way they can or (in some cases) to work around bugs in the game or similar, I don't have a problem.

Sorry, the glitching solo lobbies isn’t even the biggest gripe I have with your stance... But it’s continually calling the legitimate conflict built into the game griefing and harassment. If you don’t want to take the risk, take the smaller reward. If you do take the risk and someone gets you, they’re not out just to harass you or grief. I’m not saying there isn’t griefing in the game, because there is. And yes, your cheating does have an effect on others. It’s giving you an unfair advantage in receiving larger rewards without taking the risks in the game... Kind of like stealing money from the Monopoly bank to cover rent because you feel like the other players are harassing you when you land on Boardwalk and are asked to pay up.... Not to mention, if people keep exploiting glitches, developers spend extra time trying to address glitches and less time developing new content...

You are robbing people of the opportunity that they extended to you when making their deliveries the right way. It is cheating the system and against the spirit of the game.

I’m level 72 looking for a posse that can help me make money and I’m kind of tired of running around solo

I have to say, I havent been griefed, really griefed, since long before the Summer update, and the last time a random shot at me, it lasted all of two seconds, I just kept riding, and that was it. I really dont see any of these aggressive players anymore. When I go into a town and see a few red blips, and x's all over the ground, I use my mic, say, excuse me fella's just passing by, and if they shoot at me, I go faster lol but I dont hang around and look for trouble. Nobody has chased me, or really attacked though in a long long time. I carry a very heavy defensive tank build so unless you hit me with dynamite you aren't going to do anything to me anyway, which is exactly why I use that build, it shows me who is shooting, and gives me a chance to get away. If I can get away I go, if I Cant, then I fight, but honestly it hasnt happened in so long I cant even remember the last time that it did happen. I dont tip toe around players either, if they are blue, I just ignore them and go where I am going and do whatever I am doing, I use my mic and talk to people in my proximity, I would say around 50% of them talk back and say something nice, the other half dont say anything, most of them do what I am doing, just mind their business and we just respect eachother. I am glad the way it is now, I really dont worry about anyone in the map, but should some outlaw attack, Im ready.

I’m 29 and I’m the eastern time zone. The hours vary bc I work a lot. I still get on almost everyday. Sometimes during the day at random hours. But usually not until after 10 pm

Theres also a new nvidia Hotfix out that addresses the Vulkan users, maybe give it a try if you haven't already. https://www.guru3d.com/files-details/geforce-441-34-hotfix-driver-download,2.html

Me 2 man. R* doesn't seem to care what players want or need. And they are tooooo slow with updates. The summer update ended up being the fall update. And the game is too dumbed down and too simplistic to actually provide any sort long term challenge. I don't mind waiting for updates. But as long as this game allows players to be lazer beam lock on cowboys with magical super powers, everything just gets stale instantly. For me, its still lack of proper free aim lobbies that ruins this game. R* will go out of their way to keep adding stupid pink clothing to the game,but refuse to add free aim. R* goes out their way to instantly patch a glitch that allowed players to keep their delivery run stock. ONE WEEK after the update. But then, sit on their stupid assess when it comes to camps not spawning.

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Go ahead and add the link Buc. It's perfectly appropriate here since the OP is specifically looking for active posses. Here's Buc's posse thread @Rilez440:

.....this is exactly why I combine most of these "griefer" arguments into one thread.

Howdy Rilez440 , may i ask your age and main gaming hours? What time zone you in ? Have an all adult community of Honorable folk. We are recruiting at this time. If interested give me a shout and I'll direct you to our thread and rules. Thanks.

For defending... especially solo... Whistle your horse while driving the card. Don’t be afraid to temporarily abandon your wagon for the faster more maneuverable horse (which also happens to hold your other firearms) to deal with a threat.... If someone gets on your wagon you can always chase him down with the advantage while on your horse. Also, don’t follow the yellow line route... too predictable. Cross open ground, try to avoid choke points (such as long bridges, narrow River fords, canyons etc.

Absolutely - we need "high buy in - no limit" tables, even if only at e.g. St Denis. As it is, I've given up on the poker for now. $1,000 buy in, no limit would give the high rollers somewhere to go, and make it interesting again, while leaving the low stakes tables for those who want them and will play in that spirit.

So would I. Especially the LeMat.

Did you shoot back and hit them? I've noticed that if I'm riding along and, bam, I'm down from a headshot, I get the option to press charges. But if there's a bit of a fight beforehand and I cause damage to them before I'm killed, I don't get the option. Could be wrong. Just what I've noticed.

Well i liked the free roam pvp events but i understand why maybe a majority of ppl dont like them. Maybe its bcoz for 10 years i played a Korean mmorpg where killing other players was everyday's bread. It just doesnt bother me. About the pvp dailys. Cmon we need more of them and not the same ones over and over again "shoot 3 players using dead eye, shoot 3 players in the head, kill 3 players with a knife or shoot 3 players with exploisves, bow"..... I would like to see something with more....finesse Same with free roam daily's..... same ones over and over again. I borke my streak y-day bcoz i was to bored to play, i dont really care for it no more i got to my goal of 500 gold bars. I dont need more IMO.

Yes we need outlaw roles and the ability of beeing an actual outlaw. Fast. I was all honorable as well but now out of boredom i catch myself "griefing" other players i come across just bcoz its funny. There are rly no consequences. This bounty system needs to be adressed asap. I play less every day. How much more gold bars and RDO$ we need ? I probably stop playing until the next update like i did before. Maybe just do a couple of showdowns and quit. Im starting to loose faith in RDR 2 Online project. They just dont want to keep it up i think. Summer update supposed to be a BIG thing and ended up like it was written on the knee.

Yep we sure do on occasion. Never grieving but we cut lose here and there. Mostly against each other 8n structured battle arrangements. Example is we play (bag the buck) one team holds a 3 star buck at fort Mercer while the other team tries to get in and take it. Great fun.

Haha, yes, same here. I was really in to Ghost Recon Breakpoint and The Outer Worlds, then RDR2 dropped on PC and they're on the shelf for now. 😅

The third pic in the original post is in St Denis.

Well, yes... but you are walking a close line to griefer territory depending how exactly you go about being a ‘bad cowboy’...

Realistically, you could be a villain now if you just change the way you (and your gang) play the game. You just focus on being "bad cowboys". An actual option and role being put in the game will likely take a while if they ever decide to do it.

But... the thieves and bullies are the whole reason long deliveries pay more.... It’s almost like you are cheating to gain more without the risk when you deliberately glitch the system to make the long delivery unopposed... I firmly believe stealing a long delivery is not at all griefing. It’s just playing the game. (Maybe a little bullyish, but outlaws are kind of bully’s...) I should also add that (at least at this point in time) most opposition is close to balanced after the first few levels (unlike GTA with all the ridiculous contraptions). A level 50 player can easily hold off a level 200+ player. Unless maybe one or the other is deliberately cheating...

I need to get myself a wench winch. Manual loading of wenches is a young man's game.

I'm assuming the issue is that the selected item is the one on the left page, while the leather working tools are on the right page? If I remember right, I believe the arrow keys are what you use to select the upgrade you want. Assuming you're using a keyboard; if not, I have no idea.