Which revolver do you prefer?

[HooverRAD]

The revolvers of RDR2 are great, but which do you prefer?

My choice is the Cattleman. I find it looks better when customised, and an outlaw's gotta look cool.. 

Edited December 17, 2018 by HooverRAD

[Vaderspupil]

Schofield without a doubt. It is superior to the other revolvers especially when paired with a second for dual wielding.

[Paladin]

Cattleman should be the fastest to unload, and slowest to reload. That was their design. They are still made today, you can get a brand new one for about $600 bucks. Not so the other two. Oh yeah the shoot big fat heavy boolits. <---A term none of have ever heard of.

But then that is about the real ones, not the watered down game versions.

I would argue this list to the devs all day long. The double action and Schofield are smaller calibers, yet the stats do not reflect this.

https://gamewith.net/red-dead-redemption2/article/show/1154

The damage chart is a joke. The Colt should be 1/3 to 1/2 more damage due to the huge chunk of lead they spit out.

BTW the range is off too, the Cattleman will not have the range of the smaller faster bullets for the other two.

Rate of fire is another joke. The Colt SAA is still the fastest gun in the west 100 years later.

The single action is twice as fast as any double action. If you look at cowboy shooting competitions or fast draw, you will never see a double action, they are just too slow have to draw the hammer back and rotate the cylinder all at one. The Cattleman is fan fired for incredible speed. (fan fired is when you hold the trigger down, with your right index finger, and use the bottom of you left have to pull the hammer back as fast as you can.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMz1EMG2dsg

The only part of this video not true is the empty hole over the hammer. They have to say this do to lawyering up all firearms after 1980. If you put 6 cartridges in and set the hammer all the way down in the rest position and bump it, it will go off, Ive done it lots of times to show folks. The first click is the safety click, it draws the hammer off of the primer. Ive hit mine with 2x4 on the hammer, and its never gone off. click 3 is half c ock, so you can rotate the cylinder freely, and then full c ock, tap the trigger, drop the hammer.

Now you know where the terms "dont go off half cocked" and "Put the hammer down" came from.

You learned something today

 

Still going with a pair of Cattlemen.

Despite how wrong Rockstar got it.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 19, 2018 by Paladin

[DLKnives]

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I'll take a Schofield myself, but I'll take whatever puts out the most damage in the game. Just got mine yesterday but I actually don't use my pistol often if I can use the pump or bolt action.

 

[ALCHEMY]

On 12/17/2018 at 1:13 PM, Vaderspupil said:

Schofield without a doubt. It is superior to the other revolvers especially when paired with a second for dual wielding.

i second this lol,

[Abysstic]

14 hours ago, Paladin said:

Cattleman should be the fastest to unload, and slowest to reload. That was their design. They are still made today, you can get a brand new one for about $600 bucks. Not so the other two. Oh yeah the shoot big fat heavy boolits. <---A term none of have ever heard of.

 

 

 

 

I believe you have that incorrect. The Schofield, even the Uberti remakes of today,  are faster to unload than a cattleman. They were break top and all six rounds come tinkeling out. I believe it’s intent was for calvery, but they still unloaded faster.

[Kean_1]

@Abysstic  You're absolutely right. The Schofield would be faster to unload and reload due to the top break design and the way the empty cases were ejected.   .....and yes, it was designed as a cavalry pistol that could be unloaded / reloaded one handed if needed.

Schofields also came in a variety of calibers (e.g. .44 S&W, .45 Schofield, etc.).  They were not vastly inferior to the .45 Colt ammunition found in the SAA design and by contrast, were quite effective.    

I own a Ruger Blackhawk which is essentially modeled after the same single-action design.  While I can unload that pistol rather fast, it's nowhere near as quick as a Schofield would be.  You still have to rotate the cylinder and eject each spent casing one by one.

It's funny.....  The "Cattleman" is actually the name of the model Uberti makes that replicates the old Colt SAA design.

[Volt]

I like using the Double Action Revolver for my single player game.

[Tenti]

1 hour ago, ALCHEMY said:

i second this lol,

Of the 3 listed I concur, but must say in story mode I had a pair of fully modded Volcanics which were just awesome.  Sounded great too!

[Tenti]

On 12/17/2018 at 5:57 PM, HooverRAD said:

The revolvers of RDR2 are great, but which do you prefer?

My choice is the Cattleman. I find it looks better when customised, and an outlaw's gotta look cool.. 

Top post HooverRad, can you do one for Repeaters as well.

[Kean_1]

6 minutes ago, Tenti said:

Of the 3 listed I concur, but must say in story mode I had a pair of fully modded Volcanics which were just awesome.  Sounded great too!

The Volcanic was also an interesting design.  Kinda like a scaled down Henry rifle. 

[Tenti]

15 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

@Abysstic  You're absolutely right. The Schofield would be faster to unload and reload due to the top break design and the way the empty cases were ejected.   .....and yes, it was designed as a cavalry pistol that could be unloaded / reloaded one handed if needed.

Schofields also came in a variety of calibers (e.g. .44 S&W, .45 Schofield, etc.).  They were not vastly inferior to the .45 Colt ammunition found in the SAA design and by contrast, were quite effective.    

I own a Ruger Blackhawk which is essentially modeled after the same single-action design.  While I can unload that pistol rather fast, it's nowhere near as quick as a Schofield would be.  You still have to rotate the cylinder and eject each spent casing one by one.

It's funny.....  The "Cattleman" is actually the name of the model Uberti makes that replicates the old Colt SAA design.

Kean-1, I think we need a serious chat about fantasy/reality  ... I don't even own a Nerf!!!!

[HooverRAD]

6 minutes ago, Tenti said:

Top post HooverRad, can you do one for Repeaters as well.

I could, or you could create it. It's dead simple.

[Kean_1]

1 minute ago, Tenti said:

Kean-1, I think we need a serious chat about fantasy/reality  ... I don't even own a Nerf!!!!

lol.... It's just something that had always been in my life.  It's not a big part of my life but simply part of it. I'm no expert though.

My Blackhawk is probably the closest thing to a 19th century design I own (although with a modern cocking design, transfer bar, etc.).  ....my 1911 would be next even in it's modern form. Although I do have fond memories shooting my Dad's 30-30 Winchester. 

Hickcock45 did a recent video on the guns of RDR2 that may interest you (if you haven't seen it already). Great enthusiast and really down to earth. He owns most of the real life equivalents. 

 

[Poggy]

I like the schofield for mid range head shots, and the volcanic for up close.  

[Tenti]

14 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

lol.... It's just something that had always been in my life.  It's not a big part of my life but simply part of it. I'm no expert though.

My Blackhawk is probably the closest thing to a 19th century design I own (although with a modern cocking design, transfer bar, etc.).  ....my 1911 would be next even in it's modern form. Although I do have fond memories shooting my Dad's 30-30 Winchester. 

Hickcock45 did a recent video on the guns of RDR2 that may interest you (if you haven't seen it already). Great enthusiast and really down to earth. He owns most of the real life equivalents.

 

Looks good, a bit long so I'll watch it later.  Being in UK we don't get to see firearms, let alone fire them! Amazing just how reaiistic the guns in the game are, I'd never actually seen any of them outside of High Chaperral! 

I was disappointed there wasn't a WInchester available, but I expect that will be made available later to encourage us to buy Gold Bars.  Great posts though Kean_1, keep it up!!

He says the Winchester66 is in the game!!! Not in mine!

Edited December 20, 2018 by Tenti
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[Tenti]

14 hours ago, HooverRAD said:

I could, or you could create it. It's dead simple.

Yeah, I too am dead simple though!!!

[RED_DEADMAN]

Cattleman all the way

[Abysstic]

I like the Schofield in one hand and a cattleman in another. After maxed in features and ammo the edge of one over the other appears minimal, at least to me, but then again I’m old and  senile . The Schofield seems better cosmetically, but that’s just choice. 

I’d like to see the 45 cal slug they throw stagger opponents more and the ‘snap’ of auto-aim be quicker at close range. If you have ever swung a rolling block 45/70 or 45/90 at something close range you’d understand why.

[Kean_1]

2 hours ago, Tenti said:

Looks good, a bit long so I'll watch it later.  Being in UK we don't get to see firearms, let alone fire them! Amazing just how reaiistic the guns in the game are, I'd never actually seen any of them outside of High Chaperral! 

I was disappointed there wasn't a WInchester available, but I expect that will be made available later to encourage us to buy Gold Bars.  Great posts though Kean_1, keep it up!!

He says the Winchester66 is in the game!!! Not in mine!

Actually, the Lancaster in the game is a Winchester, the Litchfield a Henry, the Cattleman a Colt SAA, the Mauser a Mauser C96 broom handle and so on. .....but then again, guns like the Schofield are actually to the model they are described as (S&W Schofield).

I suppose the renaming or partial naming of some were to get around licensing issues. I don't know how that all works to be honest.

There were a couple sites that made real world comparison charts if you're interested. I'm responding on my phone but Ill post one up later.

[BropolloCreed79]

58 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

I suppose the renaming or partial naming of some were to get around licensing issues

Bingo.  A lot of people don't realize that the common names for firearms (as they know them) are manufacturer names (including the AR-15, which stands for "ArmaLite Rifle"--the original manufacturer, and not 'assault rifle' as many assume).

As such, the names "Winchester", "Henry", and "Colt" are brand names, so including them in the game without paying a licensing fee or having the permission of the company would be grounds for a civil suit.  R* doesn't own those brand names, so they can't use them without permission.  And no company worth billions of dollars is going to just loan out their name and brand without (A) significant financial consideration, and/or (B) control over how their brand is represented.  Having any one of those three brands with inferior stats to one or the other two companies would be bad for business and branding.

That's why the names are different in the game.

[Kean_1]

58 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

That's why the names are different in the game.

....it's interesting that they were still able to use the model and even company names (like Springfield) on some of them though.  I know in Springfield's case the modern company is not the same as the old (the name is licensed out to them IIRC).  ....I own a Springfield MC Operator 1911 myself (well made and spectacular warranty).  

Again, I don't know how all of the trademark and usage of company names works in cases like this.  I just find it interesting.

Thanks for the insight Creed.

....btw, knew about the "AR" misconception.  Don't get me started.     Some also think its stands for "automatic rifle".

Edited December 20, 2018 by Kean_1

[Kean_1]

btw, here's one of those guides I was talking about earlier that shows the real life equivalent of the weapons in RDR2.  It's an article so it's easier to thumb through to see the info you're interested in:

https://www.range365.com/guns-red-dead-redemption-2

[BropolloCreed79]

1 hour ago, Kean_1 said:

I own a Springfield MC Operator 1911 myself (well made and spectacular warranty).  

1 hour ago, Kean_1 said:

....btw, knew about the "AR" misconception.  Don't get me started.     Some also think its stands for "automatic rifle"

I figured as much.  If there's one person on the forums that I would have had to bet on to know the difference, it'd be you.

[Tenti]

4 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

Actually, the Lancaster in the game is a Winchester, the Litchfield a Henry, the Cattleman a Colt SAA, the Mauser a Mauser C96 broom handle and so on. .....but then again, guns like the Schofield are actually to the model they are described as (S&W Schofield).

I suppose the renaming or partial naming of some were to get around licensing issues. I don't know how that all works to be honest.

There were a couple sites that made real world comparison charts if you're interested. I'm responding on my phone but Ill post one up later.

Well, you've just made my day.  The Lancaster in the game sounds great.  Perhaps you can answer this then. The stats for the repeaters is almost the same, but I'm sure the Lancaster has a longer terminal range.  The other day some guy shot me in Fort Mercer while I was clearing a hideout, I respawned outside some way off and he just stood on the battlement waving at me.  I was aiming my rifle but he must have thought he was out of range..foolish boy!!

[HooverRAD]

I believe the Lancaster has worse range than the Lichfield. 

[Kean_1]

2 minutes ago, Tenti said:

Well, you've just made my day.  The Lancaster in the game sounds great.  Perhaps you can answer this then. The stats for the repeaters is almost the same, but I'm sure the Lancaster has a longer terminal range.  The other day some guy shot me in Fort Mercer while I was clearing a hideout, I respawned outside some way off and he just stood on the battlement waving at me.  I was aiming my rifle but he must have thought he was out of range..foolish boy!!

Honestly, I don't know.  I haven't really studied the weapons in-game for any length or played around with them enough.  ......in relation to real life, even hardcore milsim titles can miss the mark and RDO is far from being that kind of game so....   

I wouldn't even want to get into a discussion regarding ballistics because 1) I'm not that smart 2) RDR2 simply isn't the kind of game where real life has much impact.   Hell, in the game we're using one kind of ammo for all "repeaters", rifles, revolvers, etc.  yet the damage varies between weapons within each group.  Logically, if the ammo were the same in two different rifles, the "damage" should essentially be unchanged.  .....not factoring in twist rate, barrel lengths, etc.  blah, blah, blah which can affect accuracy, etc.

To be honest, the original Winchester repeater was chambered for the same .44 rimfire cartridge the the Henry used (I think that was the only one it came in).  The original Winchester (66) was the successor to the Henry rifle.  Why the Litchfield (Henry) does more damage than the Lancaster (Winchester) all boils down to game / weapon balance.  .....not reality. 

The Winchester '73 used the .44-40 centerfire (a popular cartridge shared in pistols as well like the Schofield) and later versions were offered in rifle cartridges.  Modern variants are chambered in all sorts of calibers.  Personally, I wouldn't mind one in .357/.38 as that's a round I already use for my single action Blackhawk.  

Folks like Creed who hunt or compete are probably more into ballistics than someone like me. 

[Tenti]

Well, I think I'm just showing my complete ignorance of all firearms.  As you say this is not a rifle sim, and I hadn't even considered all the things you mention, although it makes sense now you do. I've only ever fired an air rifle and a 4-10 shotgun when I was young.  As I said previously, us Limeys just never come into contact with guns, so its not something I know much about.  But thanks for taking time to explain, I appreciate it.

[Kean_1]

13 minutes ago, Tenti said:

Well, I think I'm just showing my complete ignorance of all firearms.  As you say this is not a rifle sim, and I hadn't even considered all the things you mention, although it makes sense now you do. I've only ever fired an air rifle and a 4-10 shotgun when I was young.  As I said previously, us Limeys just never come into contact with guns, so its not something I know much about.  But thanks for taking time to explain, I appreciate it.

Yeah, no worries. 

btw, I think I mentioned it before but Ive shot my Dad's Winchester Model 94 (30-30) a few times in the past.

Kinda cool shooting weapons like this that while newly manufactured are eseentially unchanged from their original form.  Sort of a hands on peek back in history.

I miss those desert trips. I need to go out shooting more.

[Paladin]

Man there are a lot of misconceptions about real firearms here.

The AR in AR15 is for Armalite, the company that Stoner worked for. AN automatic rifle has its selector switch AUTO-SEMI-SAFE.

NO American firearm has EVER been made this way. In fact the ONLY major firearm made this way was the AK47 which they quit making in 1961.

The variants since all have different designations.

Now back to the old timey firearms. The Colt SSA came in one caliber 45Colt. The 44-40 WIn was a proprietary caliber used only in Winchester firearms.

The 1873 was made in 45/70 first, then in pistol caliber (44-40) later. 38 Special is past the time period, and 357 mag was invented in 1936 by Elmer Keith.

I have all his books. I reload his round, its still one of the best 38/357 rounds made.

All pistol caliber carbines prior to 1895 were made with rimfire cases and black powder.

I have shot all of the copies of all these handguns in my life time. You go watch fast draw or 3 gun cowboy and you will see nothing but Colt SSA copies.

The tip opens were faster to reload, but nothing is faster to fan fire than a Colt SSA. I even had a 1969 Ruger Blackhawk, it was darn fast, but the Colt SSA beat it every time.  This is not judgement, this is I did it actual shooting. I gave up fast draw do to age and arthritis.