passive mode

[Antonia]

On 6/2/2019 at 10:43 PM, HuDawg said:

Here's a video of a level 30 riding around, blasting Defensive mode players.. While also using defensive mode to sneak up on players, before killing them.  Basically a video proving what im saying about how stupid Offensive/Defensive mode is.

Feel free to watch.   Probably good for some of you guys to see what players, even basic low levels can do to you.. While you're in defensive mode.

Defensive mode does nothing really..  Except sticks you in perm free aim till you shoot.   For players who like free aim and stalking/killing players.  This is more useful to them then it is to a player using defensive mode as intended.

you chose a sad player to show us that defensive mode is trash. well no. since defensive mode started i see less and less players like this zero in the video.

[Traks1]

Couldn't and wouldn't watch more than a minute or so of that.  Even then it was much more attention than that particular wee mental defective deserved. I'm certain scum like this get some kind of perverse gratification knowing that people like me think they should have been be strangled at birth. Good to know that none of his fellow partners in slime have survived being anywhere near that close to me in the last few months. I wonder if they cry as easily as they titter and giggle?. Hope so.

[DNMNetTech]

I have never used defensive mode. I figure that would only let others know I wanted to either be left alone or am scared. It doesn't make them leave you alone so if they want to shoot you they are going to anyway. Why bother?

[HuDawg]

20 hours ago, Traks1 said:

Couldn't and wouldn't watch more than a minute or so of that.  Even then it was much more attention than that particular wee mental defective deserved. I'm certain scum like this get some kind of perverse gratification knowing that people like me think they should have been be strangled at birth. Good to know that none of his fellow partners in slime have survived being anywhere near that close to me in the last few months. I wonder if they cry as easily as they titter and giggle?. Hope so.

Its not about him, its just a video showing how pointless defensive mode is.        And I don't consider killing people in red dead so personal. Its part of red dead.

21 hours ago, Antonia said:

you chose a sad player to show us that defensive mode is trash. well no. since defensive mode started i see less and less players like this zero in the video.

Actually its yes.  That video proves defensive mode does nothing.   So why are you claiming defensive mode has anything to do with you seeing less players like that?

Seeing less players in more of a result of blip changes not defensive mode.   

[Netnow66]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Its not about him, its just a video showing how pointless defensive mode is.        And I don't consider killing people in red dead so personal. Its part of red dead.

Actually its yes.  That video proves defensive mode does nothing.   So why are you claiming defensive mode has anything to do with you seeing less players like that?

Seeing less players in more of a result of blip changes not defensive mode.   

I didn't see a 1/2 Like reaction icon, so I gave you the full Like--but I only partially agree with you but very strongly.

I don't think it has anything to do with taking being killed/griefed personally, I'm just anti griefer and the game I purchased (based on the promo materials) didn't say I'd be griefed by any loser who also could purchase the game. Interesting that a game that promotes bullying would be released in 2019 on game consoles where so many teens play (regardless of the rating). And, yes, I've posed that question to appropriate parties.

Defensive mode, as is, is pointless if the griefer is determined and has some skill. Rockstar could have turned up the victims' resistance to bullets even higher but they chose not to. As is, it's still too easy to kill someone who wants to avoid a bully and that video, along with similar videos, highlights that. 

The casual griefers who permeate this game, the ones I run into most times, are being at least hampered by Defensive mode. I was curious after the first Defensive day when I was shotgunned in the back to see exactly how it worked. I planted myself outside of Valentine and waited. Of course, since Rockstar maintains RDO as a cesspool for griefers, one soon approached with his gun out.

I watched as he pointed his gun at me or tried to. I could see him trying to line up a shot at my head but it never seemed to line up. He tried a few seconds as I watched his arm move around as he tried to set up his shot. Then he started shooting and some of the bullets whizzed around me as others connected as I ran away.

I only play in Defensive mode, except for that short period when you have to switch from Offensive. I have logged in and been grief killed in that short period of time. Kind of odd that Rockstar can keep track of how much money you have and your bounty charges when you log in and out but not whether or not you logged out in Defensive mode or not. It's almost as if Rockstar wants you to get griefed. Imagine that. (What a bunch of axxxxxxx.)

But even I have to agree that Defensive keeps me safer than previously, at least how and when and where I play, and that's where we disagree. Because of all the variables, others may have more or fewer issues with Defensive than I do, so we all will experience it differently.

Even with that bit of extra help, I still play in glitched solo servers when I want a hunting or, most definitely, a fishing session.

Edited June 7, 2019 by Netnow66

[Antonia]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Actually its yes.  That video proves defensive mode does nothing.   So why are you claiming defensive mode has anything to do with you seeing less players like that?

Seeing less players in more of a result of blip changes not defensive mode.   

The fact that this video does not frustrate you and you say " Its part of red dead" , makes me wonder if you are one of these players. In other news. Tell me why after the defensive mode patch people stopped killing mindlessly each other. Cause of the blips? yeah right..

and again you post a video of a subzero player as a proof for defensive mode being trash. Know that i searched this player and is a guy with many problems. He shoots people, calling them t*ats and why they can't take a joke and when someone kills him he screams in the video. Also i searched his twitter and he's a antifeminist, misogynist. and you are coming here posting his video for proof. Well that's all from me and i will never discuss anything with you again. have fun with the game.

Edited June 7, 2019 by Antonia

[DNMNetTech]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Its not about him, its just a video showing how pointless defensive mode is.        And I don't consider killing people in red dead so personal. Its part of red dead.

Actually its yes.  That video proves defensive mode does nothing.   So why are you claiming defensive mode has anything to do with you seeing less players like that?

Seeing less players in more of a result of blip changes not defensive mode.   

Ever since the game came out of beta there aren't as many players on the servers I play on. There used to be high 40 to 54 players on each session I was on. Now there are less than 20. That is going to impact how many players you run across. There simply aren't as many on the server. I think they came out of beta and increases the number of servers.

Thinking to self, if there are less players per session / lobby, then why are there more disconnects?

[HuDawg]

7 hours ago, Antonia said:

The fact that this video does not frustrate you and you say " Its part of red dead" , makes me wonder if you are one of these players. 

Makes you wonder if im One of 'these' players?     

Im an Old Skool R* fan.  I've been through the ringer so many times against hostile players that its a non issue for me.    Infact I like those kinds of players, because I enjoy free roam battles and have enjoyed them since 2008

The video doesn't 'frustrate' me, because I would love to run into that guy.  And its as simple as that.

Also, I didn't search anything about the guy.. I honestly don't care either way.  But for the record, I hate feminists too.. 

7 hours ago, Antonia said:

Tell me why after the defensive mode patch people stopped killing mindlessly each other. Cause of the blips? yeah right..

They didn't stop killing people mindlessly.     The so called griefers are still there.   The fact is, that lack of blips makes it harder for bottom of the barrel newbie/casual hostile players to get an easy tag on players.   They will still attack you if they run into you.  

I still run into them all the time.  Guess what happens when they cross my path?   I'll go into slippery bastard for 20 mins and snipe the sh*t out them, blow up their horses with explosive rounds.. Kill them so bad, that their blips vanish of my map, because the game no longer considers them hostile.  And I love every second of it.   

Damn right blips slows down 'griefers'.    Infact always on blips + auto aim is what allows bottom of the barrel players to get easy kills.

Its the whole reason I want HARDCORE mode back in RDR.   Which if you played RDR1, hardcore had limited blips and NO auto aim.    Which meant it takes more effort to kill players other then 'Head toward blips and spam auto aim'.

And when RD O started.. Guess what?  It was easy to find and target players.   

 

When ever R* is done playing silly games.  They need to add proper lobbies.    Auto aim, Hardcore, Friendly and Private.     Then players will actually be able to play the game how they want.    

Edited June 7, 2019 by HuDawg

[C20Dragon]

On 6/2/2019 at 2:43 PM, HuDawg said:

Here's a video of a level 30 riding around, blasting Defensive mode players.. While also using defensive mode to sneak up on players, before killing them.  Basically a video proving what im saying about how stupid Offensive/Defensive mode is.

Feel free to watch.   Probably good for some of you guys to see what players, even basic low levels can do to you.. While you're in defensive mode.

Defensive mode does nothing really..  Except sticks you in perm free aim till you shoot.   For players who like free aim and stalking/killing players.  This is more useful to them then it is to a player using defensive mode as intended.

I only watched the 1st 3 kills. The YTer is not in Defensive mode & the player he is killing is not in Defensive mode. They are in Offensive mode. 

Here's how you can tell.

If you look at his  minimap, you will see the 1st 3 players he kills. They are Not in Defensive mode, as their dot is not faded. There is one player around Lady Lucy that is in Defensive mode. But the first 3 players he kills are in Offensive mode. I know the YTer is in Offensive mode too, because he cannot lock onto players while in Defensive mode & in the video you see the YTer locking on to non faded blue players before killing them.  Which mean they are all in Offensive mode.

 With that said Defensive mode isn't like passive mode on GTAO, Defensive mode in RDO is so players cannot auto-lock on to you. R* says you will take less damage too, but that doesn't matter if a player uses a shotgun or explosive rounds or if you're a low level that didn't max out your health let.

Meaning you should always have your guard up.

Anyone know the YTer gamertag?

If he's on Xbox, I can just search his name and from this profile I can join game / his server. Spawning right behind him and kill him until he quits the game. I'm sure he won't find explosive rounds funny or dynamite arrows. Especially when he starts crying when someone kills him.  Hehehehehehehehe

[HuDawg]

8 hours ago, C20Dragon said:

I only watched the 1st 3 kills. The YTer is not in Defensive mode & the player he is killing is not in Defensive mode. They are in Offensive mode. 

Here's how you can tell.

If you look at his  minimap, you will see the 1st 3 players he kills. They are Not in Defensive mode, as their dot is not faded. There is one player around Lady Lucy that is in Defensive mode. But the first 3 players he kills are in Offensive mode. I know the YTer is in Offensive mode too, because he cannot lock onto players while in Defensive mode & in the video you see the YTer locking on to non faded blue players before killing them.  Which mean they are all in Offensive mode.

 With that said Defensive mode isn't like passive mode on GTAO, Defensive mode in RDO is so players cannot auto-lock on to you. R* says you will take less damage too, but that doesn't matter if a player uses a shotgun or explosive rounds or if you're a low level that didn't max out your health let.

Meaning you should always have your guard up.

Anyone know the YTer gamertag?

If he's on Xbox, I can just search his name and from this profile I can join game / his server. Spawning right behind him and kill him until he quits the game. I'm sure he won't find explosive rounds funny or dynamite arrows. Especially when he starts crying when someone kills him.  Hehehehehehehehe

He kills plenty of people in defensive mode in that video..  I really don't want to watch it again and time stamp those parts.  One time watching was enough for me.

Honestly, I just googled.  'Griefing Defensive" mode and that video popped up.    Found that annoying idiots video..  And posted it here to prove a point.  

Thing is, no one really likes Offensive/Defensive mode.  People want actual lobbies.

Its feels like...  Defensive mode is kinda of a slap in the face for players who want Free Aim lobbies.    Because it puts players in a sort of half ass free aim state till they shoot back at players.    

And a slap in the face to players who want nothing to do with pvp.   Since players can still attack you anytime they want.

 

[C20Dragon]

I agree with you, it's a futile system. 

I watch the video. The Yter is always in Offensive mode.

Out of the whole video the Yter kills two defensive mode players.

6th guy he aim at on top of the roof is in def mode. but the YTer is in off mode because right before he shoot the player, he is locking onto the horse. The guy that gets killed, well that's his own fault for dying. Standing still right in the middle of the street, right after getting shot twice. While the YTer is behind cover.

7th guy he kills is in def mode, but once the two horse hit each other the player turns from defensive mode to offensive mode. His dot turns red right after the accident. If you are in defensive mode & hit a player in offensive mode. the def player will automatically turn offensive mode. As this has happen to me. A player will turn into you causing an accident turning you from defensive mode player into an offensive player.

13th player is in defensive mode but it takes the YTer 3 shots with a shotgun to kill the players in def mode at close range. compare to  one or two shots to kill players in offensive mode. Plus the def mode player is standing afk in the street. I don't feel sorry for player standing still that get shot.

 R* never said that Defensive mode will protect you from being kill. It says it give you free aim and little more protection. If you are in Defensive mode and don't shoot back you will stay in free aim and so will the attacking players. Giving you a chance to take cover or run away. Unless you let the guy ride up right next to you and shoot you in the face. Once again that is your own fault for having trust in Red Dead Online players.

 If you are getting shot at. Keep moving in a serpentine movement or any direction beside running straight away or straight at him. Giving the player an easy shot to shoot you in the back or the face. Yes, in that case you will die easy in Defensive mode.
 I'm always in def mode and I have players shoot at me. but I start serpentine or running left or right of the player and never die. because most players suck at free aim. like the YTer guy, since he has to get close to players to kill them in the back.
 
  If you guys don't use the Red Dead Online  Companion App get it!!! It's free. I use it all the time in free roam, especially when I'm hunting & fish. The app allows you to see the whole map and if you click on the marker icon on the right side, the app with track your movements. Allows you to see anyone in your area. Also good to see who is in town before enter it, if you've been hunting. You can tap on the app, on a players dot to see the name. From there I go to my quick menu and look up the guys ranks to see how much of a threat he might be.
  
 As I mention never trust any player riding up to you or by you. 90% of the time the players riding up to you, are there to shoot you. The other 10% of the time it might be me giving you a free cougar  As I in some cases give my cougar to low ranking player that I see hunting or at the butcher shop.

[lumper]

On 5/23/2019 at 10:49 AM, CPUTestUnit said:

I dont want to grind without any risk until I achieved Level 100 I want the tension on the FR map and I want to "feel" the win when I made it to the butcher and so on. So a lot of the games tension is lost if I do it all in defensive mode as ist not really a challenge at all.

The great thing is, you can do that, but others dont have too if they chose not too, this is why I love the system of defensive mode vs offensive, you can decide, just because some want to remain in defensive mode to hunt and all, doesnt affect the way you want to play, there are always others willing to troll you, so play in offense mode if you enjoy that tension as you described.

I can tell you being in defensive mode changes very little, Trolls will be trolls and they still approach and steak things off my horse, try to lasso me, run at me with a gun out etc..The only difference is I can now let them shoot first, or attack, then once the game switches their blue blip to red, I am now free to kill them without consequences, personally I dont wait, I take the hostility increase as it doesnt last long, so when a player approaches me with a rope to try and tackle me or whatever, I just kill them, lol same as I would otherwise, it just makes it hard for them as they cant lasso me, they cant lock on etc.. and I have weapons that dont require auto aim, like dyna arrows and incendiary rounds, so instead of being tied up, or shot and killed first, I see their actions, realize they want to troll me, I take them out and move on,  within 10 minutes my hostility level reverts to low and I am back to where I was before.

I wish they woudl change it so if you try to lasso me or you point your gun at me for more than 2 seconds you then turn red and your hostility level goes up, so I dont have to kill you while you are low hostility and then get the hostility increase, I am sure in time they will.

 

[James Hickok_1837]

On 6/2/2019 at 9:43 PM, HuDawg said:

Here's a video of a level 30 riding around, blasting Defensive mode players.. While also using defensive mode to sneak up on players, before killing them.  Basically a video proving what im saying about how stupid Offensive/Defensive mode is.

Feel free to watch.   Probably good for some of you guys to see what players, even basic low levels can do to you.. While you're in defensive mode.

Defensive mode does nothing really..  Except sticks you in perm free aim till you shoot.   For players who like free aim and stalking/killing players.  This is more useful to them then it is to a player using defensive mode as intended.

Oh my oh my what a dirtbag.  Its a shame he is playing on PS4 bcoz i would love to grief him back. He sucks at this anyway and cuts off the scenes where he was killed but he did attack first. 

 

About the whole def off stance. IMO it worked a bit and less ppl are shooting eachother. Defensive stance gives you some protection from agressive players but not immunity. Its like saying to everyone "hey im hunting and dont bother/want to pvp" - sometimes it works, sometimes not. 

I personally dont like the idea of it but if it helps some ppl it does not bother me. I dont use it ( used it maybe once or twice when i went afk but after i came back i was in diffrent spot so most likely was killed). 

Im not agresive by nature but playing RDRO for some months now i learned that its stupid to ignore bypassing players. Most of them will try to kill you anyway. So now in free roam when i see someone charging at me or following me, geting into close range while im picking up herbs for daily or whatnot i just pull out 2x Mausers or a shottie and shoot. Im sorry if you wanted only to have a look what im doing or use some greet emote. Im constantly on a look out while i play and i like it.  I make exceptions sometimes when i see a defensive mode player on a horse with game on its back i dont shoot but im on high alert ready to go lock and loaded. 

The only solution to this is implementing the bounty system and letting players take bounties on  agressive players. It would be super cool fun  and solution to griefing problem (i still not considering this griefing) in some extent. 

 

[jnaron_ngc]

My experience using this defensive posture is that does not 100% protect you from PVP. But I have had the occasion to point at a player and I have found defensive player immune to targeting, similar to how wild horses used to be protected.

[Ants1919]

On 3/17/2019 at 12:59 PM, Cliffs said:

Why is there an Epilogue to the story mode

What does one do in the Epilogue?

Think hard about those 2 questions and you get your passive mode some of you want. 

I seriously can't wrap my head around this game being played online where I do the EXACT same thing I am doing in story mode.

What fun is there in watching a fellow player catch fish or hunt in an online shooting game. This is NOT Simcity. If they make it into that type of game, they will lose customers because i guarantee NOBODY would buy into online play if it were all sweet and cushy. Sure you want balance, then hopefully R will make a NO guns allowed for killing humans server and you all can populate that ONE server because there doesn't seem to be a MASSIVE amount of players biatching about the gameplay.

 

On 5/15/2019 at 2:33 PM, CPUTestUnit said:

Have you realised issues with this new System? It seems like we got attacked yesterday from blue dots which had the passiv mode on, not catching much dammage even we used explosiv Munition to defend our self, but killing us instandli more then 1 time. We had been on offensive Mode. So if thats the case, then this will llead to the usage of the passiv mode to realy allow Griefing ellements for  this feature my opinion.

Did you had similar experiences today?

Also I understand the passiv offensive Change can happen after 30 Sekonds and is changed automaticly to offensive if you attack a Player first?

Strange, and Maybe I missed or had overseen something but I am pretty sure that is what happened and that they had been on passiv without us attacking first. 

Possibly Need to do a passiv test tonight by my self. 

 

On 5/15/2019 at 11:59 PM, CPUTestUnit said:

Thanks thats a usefull and good comment I addded a like.

Lets hope for the best.

 

Current new Hobby of my opposite seems to be to shot me (first!) and after i killed them then 2 or 3 times back, to send a report message.

Thats a verry strange kind of behavior or?

I start to send one too now, to Show them how it feels if you did Nothing and still are blamed. 

I dont think they are read by someone or analysed I think they add to your redskill and therfore ist in special unfair to report without a Need.

Would´nt an excessive reporting not lead automaticly to only red Players on the map in the end?

I've noticed some now in blue and whistling and then attacking me, I put it down to her (or him) been a low level 5 just shithousing and not having a clue, I'm level at 46 somehow and play like a level 2 so I was pretty happy with myself when I blew her or his head off, great game even if I'v no real idea what I'm doing, but I do know every weapon I have feels like I'm using a pea shooter, and 3/4 of my death toll is down to been shot in the back, still it's fun I guess.

Not even sure if I have written this in the right place, newbies eh.