Miltonastic Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 10 hours ago, roggek said: How to detect possible trolls/griefers: On Xbox you just look at their gamercard. It tells you a lot of your opponents playing style... If they are "offline" or "seen on XBox app/Nextflix x days ago" there is 90% chance that they are trolls/griefers. Add that to a 3 digit level over 170, they are probably cheaters too... Always check out your nearby players, and you would be amazed... There many many reasons why many people play showing offline. The least of which is that they're griefers. Also, I personally know quite a few players over 170 and none of them are cheaters and would be extremely offended if called that. You do know that there was no level reset when the game went live right? Being over 170 is actually very common in RDO. So basically, ummm sorry, but no. 5
DNMNetTech Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Miltonastic said: There many many reasons why many people play showing offline. The least of which is that they're griefers. Also, I personally know quite a few players over 170 and none of them are cheaters and would be extremely offended if called that. You do know that there was no level reset when the game went live right? Being over 170 is actually very common in RDO. So basically, ummm sorry, but no. I have to agree with this greatly. Sometimes my kids will watch a movie on amazon and I set it to show off line. Many times I will forget to show online again. Does that mean I am a troll / griefer? No.
Harlock1796 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 I'm going to come out and say it. I can count the number of genuine griefer issues I have encountered on the fingers of one hand. I get the occasional idiot/posse of idiots who just gun me down for no reason, resulting in a 1-15 (depending on my mood) minute shootout, but getting shot by the occasional fool does not amount to griefing IMO. I have yet to encounter anyone, no matter how obnoxious, who hasn't been disheartened by 40 rounds of explosive ammo and a quiver full of dynamite arrows, if it comes to it. Maybe I'm just lucky, but with 265 hours of online play logged (about 250 of those lone wolf), I'm just not experiencing what other people seem to be experiencing. I'm not doubting the truth of what anyone else is saying, but for me, the very high level 'professional griefer' is nothing but a myth. All I get is stupid dumb kids. I never shoot first, but in freeroam I always carry a volcanic pistol permanently loaded with explosive rounds in my offhand holster. That tends to bring arguments to an end fairly quickly, if I survive the first shot despite the nerfing of NWO. 1
DNMNetTech Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 I don't get them often. More since out of beta but still not something I consider a problem. It doesn't help that I taunted them with the jig after the first shots. Maybe once a week I have an idiot / group of idiots. That only occurs when I get on earlier in the evening. Sometimes, it's a nice change up to not seeing anyone online tho when running solo. When I am with a posse, I usually don't have any issues.
lumper Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 13 hours ago, roggek said: How to detect possible trolls/griefers: On Xbox you just look at their gamercard. It tells you a lot of your opponents playing style... If they are "offline" or "seen on XBox app/Nextflix x days ago" there is 90% chance that they are trolls/griefers. Add that to a 3 digit level over 170, they are probably cheaters too... Always check out your nearby players, and you would be amazed... Well, I keep my profile "offline" for the opposite reason, once a troll sets his sights on you they will actually follow you around the game, I had to switch to offline to keep this one guy from tracking me down and hunting me. I was up in Colter hunting by myself one day and he and his posse showed up, killed me and rode off, lol. I had enough of that so I went to "offline" mode to prevent it. So it isnt the only indication of a Troll as I dont troll anyone. 1
Harlock1796 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 13 hours ago, roggek said: How to detect possible trolls/griefers: On Xbox you just look at their gamercard. It tells you a lot of your opponents playing style... If they are "offline" or "seen on XBox app/Nextflix x days ago" there is 90% chance that they are trolls/griefers. Add that to a 3 digit level over 170, they are probably cheaters too... Always check out your nearby players, and you would be amazed... Yeah, this is a pretty dangerous generalisation, like the other forum member who said he would always shoot anyone near him with NWO equipped, because that was a sure sign of a griefer. Unfortunately, strategies that people use to avoid griefers often look quite alot like things that griefers do themselves. If you convince yourself that everyone who fits a particular profile is a griefer, and treat them based on that rather than their actions, you are likley to become part of the problem.
HuDawg Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 32 minutes ago, Harlock1796 said: I'm going to come out and say it. I can count the number of genuine griefer issues I have encountered on the fingers of one hand. I get the occasional idiot/posse of idiots who just gun me down for no reason, resulting in a 1-15 (depending on my mood) minute shootout, but getting shot by the occasional fool does not amount to griefing IMO. I have yet to encounter anyone, no matter how obnoxious, who hasn't been disheartened by 40 rounds of explosive ammo and a quiver full of dynamite arrows, if it comes to it. Maybe I'm just lucky, but with 265 hours of online play logged (about 250 of those lone wolf), I'm just not experiencing what other people seem to be experiencing. I'm not doubting the truth of what anyone else is saying, but for me, the very high level 'professional griefer' is nothing but a myth. All I get is stupid dumb kids. I never shoot first, but in freeroam I always carry a volcanic pistol permanently loaded with explosive rounds in my offhand holster. That tends to bring arguments to an end fairly quickly, if I survive the first shot despite the nerfing of NWO. I pretty much agree.. Most of my encounters with players tend to be friendly. But its the hostile players that players end up remembering. Way I see it, theres different kinds of hostile players. The bottom feed low levels that are just messing around. And the high level hostile players that know every trick in the book. And then theres ones in posses. IMO. Slippery Bastard is golden. Last night.. Had a posse of players target my friend for no reason in Tumble Weed. I just came in full speed on my horse with slippery bastard, jumped off and started lacing all of them with explosive ammo. That battle must have went on for 40 mins. They only killed me twice. Watched them waste all their explosive ammo and arrows. They started sending me messages complaining about me abusing tonics and slippery bastard. So I told them.. 'Ok, I won't use tonics and slippery bastard, come at me'. … But I lied, and turned it back on, and shot the fool in the face who sent me the message. Oooooh the messages I got for that one.. Where just so salty and yummy. Meanwhile my friend who got shot in the back and started thise whole thing was busy fishing near black water.. And says "You still fighting those guys..lol"? Almost forgot how the whole thing started.. 1
DNMNetTech Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 22 minutes ago, lumper said: Well, I keep my profile "offline" for the opposite reason, once a troll sets his sights on you they will actually follow you around the game, I had to switch to offline to keep this one guy from tracking me down and hunting me. I was up in Colter hunting by myself one day and he and his posse showed up, killed me and rode off, lol. I had enough of that so I went to "offline" mode to prevent it. So it isnt the only indication of a Troll as I dont troll anyone. I dunno if that works. I have a friend who is always off line but when he is on the same server, I can see him. Not sure how you would track someone down that isn't on your friends list. Are you expecting they just kept server hopping to try to find you?
lumper Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Harlock1796 said: Yeah, this is a pretty dangerous generalisation, like the other forum member who said he would always shoot anyone near him with NWO equipped, because that was a sure sign of a griefer. Unfortunately, strategies that people use to avoid griefers often look quite alot like things that griefers do themselves. If you convince yourself that everyone who fits a particular profile is a griefer, and treat them based on that rather than their actions, you are likley to become part of the problem. ^^^ Def agree you cant generalize and decide that everyone who does this or does that is a griefer or you end up being the griefer because you then attack people who fit that description it is profiling and we all know that doesnt work. 9 minutes ago, HuDawg said: I pretty much agree.. Most of my encounters with players tend to be friendly. But its the hostile players that players end up remembering. Way I see it, theres different kinds of hostile players. The bottom feed low levels that are just messing around. And the high level hostile players that know every trick in the book. And then theres ones in posses. IMO. Slippery Bastard is golden. Last night.. Had a posse of players target my friend for no reason in Tumble Weed. I just came in full speed on my horse with slippery bastard, jumped off and started lacing all of them with explosive ammo. That battle must have went on for 40 mins. They only killed me twice. Watched them waste all their explosive ammo and arrows. They started sending me messages complaining about me abusing tonics and slippery bastard. So I told them.. 'Ok, I won't use tonics and slippery bastard, come at me'. … But I lied, and turned it back on, and shot the fool in the face who sent me the message. Oooooh the messages I got for that one.. Where just so salty and yummy. Meanwhile my friend who got shot in the back and started thise whole thing was busy fishing near black water.. And says "You still fighting those guys..lol"? Almost forgot how the whole thing started.. ^^^ That is hilarious!! I love it when a griefer complains about using items from in the game, Hey dopey, it is the game dude, this game has dead eye, if you arent using it, you are being silly, use it thats why it is there. 7 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said: I dunno if that works. I have a friend who is always off line but when he is on the same server, I can see him. Not sure how you would track someone down that isn't on your friends list. Are you expecting they just kept server hopping to try to find you? It works if you jump servers, not on the same server. If you are on the same server I can find you in the players list no matter what, BUT if I jump servers to get away from you, all you have to do is go to my profile, see where I am and then hit "join" and there you are, but by going to "offline" when you go to my profile you can not see where I am or even if I am playing rdr2 so yes it def works. Edited June 19, 2019 by lumper
HuDawg Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, lumper said: I love it when a griefer complains about using items from in the game, Hey dopey, it is the game dude, this game has dead eye, if you arent using it, you are being silly, use it thats why it is there. The way I see is is.. 1
lumper Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) I dont need to watch the clip I remember this movie well and this part, which is legendary and supposedly true, I have seen it depicted in several films. Def seems Troll like however. Look, nobody was trolled and griefed harder than me when I Started this game, I made a few posts about it as it was happening, plus I was part of a group that has organized battles with other groups and we have ranks and uniforms and different sections within our group, etc.. and so I was hunted, But I still never resorted to shooting first, no matter what. Only very recently after getting sick of it have I adopted a new policy, one I am not even a fan of but it is how it has to be, if you approach me, for any reason, and we dont know eachother, I give you ample warning, I make it clear I am busy, not looking for friends and you probably need to go back to where you came from, and if you continue to approach then that is on you, I will kill you for coming too close, period, this was decided after maybe a dozen times I gave people the benefit of the doubt and it ended with me being killed. I dont mind being killed, I dont lose anything, it is just mildly inconvenient but at this point, it is just human nature, the very worst of human nature, I can see the stupid grins on the faces of the would be troll as he approaches lasso in hand, and I decided, nope, not today, not anymore, I dont mind going red for 5 minutes, it always reverts back to low hostility quickly as I dont continue to kill other players so if you have that look in your eye, if you see me skinning an animal and think, hmm I see a new target, fresh meat, then ok, bring it, if that is what you want, but it isnt as much fun as you might think, you wont get a shot off, even after the third or fourth time, I roll stacked with ammo, dyna arrows etc.. and I love using it. Edited June 19, 2019 by lumper
Kean_1 Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 14 hours ago, roggek said: How to detect possible trolls/griefers: On Xbox you just look at their gamercard. It tells you a lot of your opponents playing style... If they are "offline" or "seen on XBox app/Nextflix x days ago" there is 90% chance that they are trolls/griefers. Add that to a 3 digit level over 170, they are probably cheaters too... Always check out your nearby players, and you would be amazed... I had a member in another thread question why we don't allow naming & shaming within these forums and this is one good example. Plenty of folks play offline for various legitimate reasons including myself. Maybe I just don't want others in my friends list, etc. to know I'm online. Sometimes I just forget. I use my console as my media center and I don't want to be bothered most of the time it's on. A 170 level also proves nothing and quite frankly isn't all that high at this point in the game. .....and there are plenty of griefers out there who are low level.
N7Creed Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 44 minutes ago, lumper said: If you are on the same server I can find you in the players list no matter what, BUT if I jump servers to get away from you, all you have to do is go to my profile, see where I am and then hit "join" and there you are, but by going to "offline" when you go to my profile you can not see where I am or even if I am playing rdr2 so yes it def works. This is why I am going to make my profile offline. I was trolled/chased across several servers by some tool with too much time on his hands and a posse of weak-willed fools. Thus, to avoid the idiocy, I'll turn on 'offline'. Doesn't mean I am a griefer.
lumper Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 5 minutes ago, N7Creed said: This is why I am going to make my profile offline. I was trolled/chased across several servers by some tool with too much time on his hands and a posse of weak-willed fools. Thus, to avoid the idiocy, I'll turn on 'offline'. Doesn't mean I am a griefer. ^^ exactly. I am part of a group, and sometimes they will send invites to have a discussion or join a battle etc.. unexpected, if I am on doing daily challenges, I dont have a uniform on, I am not equipped for a battle necessarily etc.. so just another reason I play offline, so when I am grinding and working on specific things I am not distracted by others looking to do something else, once I am done, I will switch it back, sometimes.
Vaderspupil Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 I went offline last night because I didn't feel like getting any invitations. I wanted to play solo to concentrate on the daily challenges as well as recouping the money and supplies I had spent from the night before while I was involved in multiple shootouts while with members of my posse.
Ariysolo Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Some of them can be quite persistant ! The worst are the ones who try and be friends first or send you a PS4 request. It seems to have eased a bit with recent changes, the early days were quite rough. 2
Jeromy Posted June 21, 2019 Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) News flash for griefers: Today I have adopted a new strategy for dealing with you. I know you want me to react to you, or get upset and fight back, but from here on I will walk up to you, look right at you with no weapon in my hands and let you kill me. Let's just get it over with quickly so I can continue on with my business. I'm not going to waste time or ammo fighting you. You'll be big and bad by killing someone who is allowing you to do it. Look for me when you're on. Enjoy! Edited June 22, 2019 by Jeromy
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 13 hours ago, Jeromy said: News flash for griefers: Today I have adopted a new strategy for dealing with you. I know you want me to react to you, or get upset and fight back, but from here on I will walk up to you, look right at you with no weapon in my hands and let you kill me. Let's just get it over with quickly so I can continue on with my business. I'm not going to waste time or ammo fighting you. You'll be big and bad by killing someone who is allowing you to do it. Look for me when you're on. Enjoy! Some players also kill other to exert dominance or just for the thrill of the kill.. And have no interest in you fighting back or getting a re-action. So serving yourself up on a silver platter doesn't change anything. Really don't see how anyone would just want players to kill them. That's against the code of conduct. This is Red Dead... You're supposed to fight back. 1
Jeromy Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, HuDawg said: Some players also kill other to exert dominance or just for the thrill of the kill.. And have no interest in you fighting back or getting a re-action. So serving yourself up on a silver platter doesn't change anything. Really don't see how anyone would just want players to kill them. That's against the code of conduct. This is Red Dead... You're supposed to fight back. I have things I'm doing and these inconveniences don't need to be dragged out. Let them get their thrill and move on. It's not like I'm losing anything. If they feel their are exerting dominance over someone who is allowing them to kill them, or get a thrill out of it, so be it. Glad I could give them an ego boost. Personally, I wouldn't see any challenge in it or feel like it was some great accomplishment, but whatever. Edited June 22, 2019 by Jeromy 1
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 16 minutes ago, Jeromy said: I have things I'm doing and these inconveniences don't need to be dragged out. Let them get their thrill and move on. It's not like I'm losing anything. You're wasting your time by walking up to them an letting them kill you. Surely shooting them OR avoiding them would be a quicker solution. At least shooting them back is more enjoyable. Seriously.. Laying down and letting someone walk all over you isn't how things are done in Red Dead.. I believe this clip right here, is the right attitude have. 1
Netnow66 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 19 minutes ago, Jeromy said: I have things I'm doing and these inconveniences don't need to be dragged out. Let them get their thrill and move on. It's not like I'm losing anything. If they feel their are exerting dominance over someone who is allowing them to kill them, or get a thrill out of it, so be it. Personally, I wouldn't see any challenge in it or feel like it was some great accomplishment, but whatever. This is kind of my outlook whenever I play in unglitched free roam (which now is usually just the 30 seconds before Defensive kicks in). I do parley, press charges, block on PSN and report to Rockstar. They're not worth my time or effort.
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: This is kind of my outlook whenever I play in unglitched free roam (which now is usually just the 30 seconds before Defensive kicks in). I do parley, press charges, block on PSN and report to Rockstar. They're not worth my time or effort. If they aren't worth the effort then why block and report them? That's a waste of time. Someone shooting you in red dead is not a violation of any rules. Edited June 22, 2019 by HuDawg 1
Netnow66 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 10 minutes ago, HuDawg said: If they aren't worth the effort then why block and report them? That's a waste of time. Someone shooting you in red dead is not a violation of any rules. I block them on PSN so (hopefully) PSN servers won't put us together again. I report them because I want Rockstar to know they aren't giving me the game they said they were. I also put those comments in feedback. As far as shooting me/griefing not being a violation of any rules, when it happens (which is rare now because I usually play in glitched solo lobbies), there is a certain confusion there. Rockstar implements Defensive to prevent me getting griefed...yet won't outright ban griefing. If enough people continue to point out the stupidity of that, maybe Rockstar will eventually do something of worth in terms of griefing. They haven't as of yet. 1
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: I report them because I want Rockstar to know they aren't giving me the game they said they were. I also put those comments in feedback. As far as shooting me/griefing not being a violation of any rules, when it happens (which is rare now because I usually play in glitched solo lobbies), there is a certain confusion there. Rockstar implements Defensive to prevent me getting griefed...yet won't outright ban griefing. If enough people continue to point out the stupidity of that, maybe Rockstar will eventually do something of worth in terms of griefing How can R* ban griefing in a game that's basically centered around Wild West Gun Fights..? I point out R* stupidity all the time. But the only thing I offer as advice is private/invite only sessions (Which they already know players want) And a proper free aim mode for players that play free aim. (Which is also highly requested).. Honestly... You should report R* for being griefers. Because they are the ones griefing their players base by not giving players what they want in terms of lobby/game mode choices. Hell.. I think I may report R* to R*. Edited June 22, 2019 by HuDawg 2
Netnow66 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 2 minutes ago, HuDawg said: How can R* ban griefing in a game that's basically centered around Wild West Gun Fights..? I point out R* stupidity all the time. But the only thing I offer as advice is private/invite only sessions (Which they already know players want) And a proper free aim mode for players that play free aim. (Which is also highly requested).. Honestly... You should report R* for being griefers. Because they are the ones griefing their players base by not giving players what they want in terms of lobby/game mode choices. Hell.. I think I may report R* to R*. I've constantly reported to Rockstar from the very beginning how they encourage griefing on the one hand while discouraging it on the other. To both feedback and bug report. I've also confessed to them that I will continue to play in glitched solo/passive lobbies until something is done so I can't get griefed in free roam. Private/invite only sessions make sense to me, as do passive lobbies. Rockstar already has hunting and fishing game modes where players can't offensively interact with one another already, right? And this is in the game you describe as being centered around Wild West gun fights. You talk about a game centered around Wild West gunfights which sort of diminishes what this game is in my opinion. Different people will get different things from this game. It's not as if everyone in the Wild West was a maniac. I'm guessing that the new professions will stress that even more.
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 44 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: You talk about a game centered around Wild West gunfights which sort of diminishes what this game is in my opinion. Different people will get different things from this game. It's not as if everyone in the Wild West was a maniac. I'm guessing that the new professions will stress that even more. The core of this game is centered around wild west gun fights. Its been that way since Red Dead Revolver. In terms of online. Not everyone is a maniac. But, without that ability to shoot anyone anytime 'griefers' feel like it. There would be no BAD guys to get into gun fights with.
Netnow66 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 3 minutes ago, HuDawg said: The core of this game is centered around wild west gun fights. Its been that way since Red Dead Revolver. In terms of online. Not everyone is a maniac. But, without that ability to shoot anyone anytime 'griefers' feel like it. There would be no BAD guys to get into gun fights with. Again, describing this game as a game centered around gun fights diminishes what it is to me. I've played this game in numerous sessions that have lasted longer than 24 hours and not been in one gunfight. And loved every second of it. Your statement just isn't true. People like you will always have someone to fight with. There will always be Offensive players in this game I'm suggesting that a passive mode or (Defensive mode where you guys can't touch me ) would be welcomed by many.
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 7 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: Again, describing this game as a game centered around gun fights diminishes what it is to me All 3 Red Dead games have centered around wild west gun fights. Its the core of the game. Everything else is secondary.. and expanded from that. You may not like it. But it is what it is. Not sure how it diminishes anything. Its RED DEAD.. The games have people on the cover with a gun. Every problem is started and solved with guns. Its one thing to not like the pvp game mechanics. But you're still blasting NPCS and animals.. You draw the line at pvp. For me, without the pvp, online would be a complete snore fest. Id end up going back to single player for my shoot outs. I don't want passive mode because that will simply be another tool for hostile snakes to use against me. I want complete freedom in public games to kill anyone I want when ever I feel like it. Not because im a griefer... But because I don't want hostile players to be able to bitch out the BS they start. Just like the try hard snakes in GTA O.
Netnow66 Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 38 minutes ago, HuDawg said: All 3 Red Dead games have centered around wild west gun fights. Its the core of the game. Everything else is secondary.. and expanded from that. You may not like it. But it is what it is. Not sure how it diminishes anything. Its RED DEAD.. The games have people on the cover with a gun. Every problem is started and solved with guns. Its one thing to not like the pvp game mechanics. But you're still blasting NPCS and animals.. You draw the line at pvp. For me, without the pvp, online would be a complete snore fest. Id end up going back to single player for my shoot outs. I don't want passive mode because that will simply be another tool for hostile snakes to use against me. I want complete freedom in public games to kill anyone I want when ever I feel like it. Not because im a griefer... But because I don't want hostile players to be able to bitch out the BS they start. Just like the try hard snakes in GTA O. Regardless of what the games have been, there is certainly nothing wrong with evolving, especially with the way online was advertised. There were people that bought in to what Rockstar advertised, came to the game and saw what a crapshow it is and left. I realize there are people like you that get their enjoyment from the PvP aspect and being able to kill anyone you want whenever you feel like it. I think that you and those who feel like you should be able to do that--but only to one another. I wonder about people who don't want a passive mode. It wouldn't affect them. It would only cut down on the number of potential victims. Edited June 22, 2019 by Netnow66
HuDawg Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: I wonder about people who don't want a passive mode. It wouldn't affect them. It would only cut down on the number of potential victims. Of course it would effect me. For example, GTA O had passive mode. And the end result is that the try hards and trolls would use passive as a way to prevent players from killing them, after they themselves killed other players. So you end with passive mode being used as a get out of Jail free card. 28 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: I realize there are people like you that get their enjoyment from the PvP aspect and being able to kill anyone you want whenever you feel like it. I think that you and those who feel like you should be able to do that--but only to one another. Well.. that's why we need separate lobbies. 28 minutes ago, Netnow66 said: Regardless of what the games have been, there is certainly nothing wrong with evolving, especially with the way online was advertised. There were people that bought in to what Rockstar advertised, came to the game and saw what a crapshow it is and left. Well its Red Dead.. Everyone who bought the game knows its all about Wild West shoot outs.. Sure it can evolve. But its core is Gun Smoke.. Hell, when you start up RDR2.. Theres a gun blast. Game doesn't say "Howdy". Edited June 22, 2019 by HuDawg
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