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I play on xboxone.  I'm at level 72. But I get griefed.  I find the only thing I can do is report unsportsment like behavior and when I respawn the griefer and or his posse are still there, not allowing me to leave.  I got mad and told him he is a f-a-h. And Microsoft sent me a message while I was still being griefed by the posse at this point. WHY? Did the get a little message from Microsoft?

 

 

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Hi and welcome to the forums.

My suggestion would be to never message someone or speak to them through chat with vulgarity, insults, etc. regardless of what leads to the exchange, if they report you, MS or R* have to act on the evidence they have. ......and being griefed is never an excuse for breaking the rules.

You say you couldn't leave but actually you can. You can change sessions. You can also block people if you're on PS4(I think there's something similar on XB1), show yourself as "offline" to help prevent people from following you between games and so on.

When you engage griefers like this, that is exactly what they want. ......to get under your skin. In this case, they did exactly that and once they know that, they won't stop.

I'm level 70 and I rarely get griefed and even less so with the new features. .,...but then again, I also use them to my advantage.

btw, I had to remove the screen shot as we don't allow naming and shaming on these forums. I'm also moving this to the main RDO forum as this thread has more to do with a topic than an introduction.

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I actually thought about that the other day in regard to griefing.  I have a mic but don’t use it, I mute everyone, and I don’t even know how to send or receive messages.  All I hear are in game sounds.

That makes me an extremely boring person to grief.   It’s like trying to kick a rock to get a reaction out of it - pointless.  I either respawn, hunker down, and kill them if they get in range, or I press charges and move on if I have no time for them.

They might get an initial cheap shot, but if they want to keep it going they’ll have to spend an hour eating my bullets.  No fun at all for them and they quickly move on.

There’s no problem using a mic and many people wouldn’t play with out one.  But just treat them like mosquitoes. You don’t get mad at a mosquito if it bites you - you either slap it dead or let it fly away.  Treat them the same way because they’re just trolls looking to get under your skin.  Good advice above.

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18 hours ago, deadairface said:

That makes me an extremely boring person to grief.   It’s like trying to kick a rock to get a reaction out of it - pointless.  I either respawn, hunker down, and kill them if they get in range, or I press charges and move on if I have no time for them.

This is exactly what I do, people rarely grief me, but honestly I don't even really care if they do or not, I'll fight back, and they will wish they didn't :P 

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So last night I decided to play in Offensive mode to test how long I could go without incident. I was in Valentine minding my business, looking at the map trying to find where one of the "rescue" dynamic events usually spawns for the daily challenge. A 2 man posse was killing NPCs and chatting about which guns were better. Suddenly I get pulled from my map because one of them gave me a face full of LeMat. I respawn and go looking for my horse thinking "maybe they accidentally shot me" when I get shot again. I pull my Lancaster and get tagged in the face by the same person again. I respawn, and whistle for my horse. I remember I still have 8 dynamite arrows from a care package a long time ago...

These two guys are still casually chatting, "buddy" doesn't even mention that he's engaged in a fight with me. I catch him rounding the corner taking aim at me again but I dismembered him with a dynamite arrow. I figure he got what he had coming and turn to leave when this dude, not even joking complains that I randomly killed him with a dynamite arrow hahahaha and that "she's trying to hightail it!". I IMMEDIATELY stop and turn around and blast him once more to even the score, since he had a bead on me already. 

Then his partner comes to "rescue" him, running Paint It Black and dual sawed offs (pretty OP and not much "skill" needed), but I'm done at this point as I don't want to waste any more of my stash (as I'm only level 54). "Big man" gets a stiff one so swole I could hear it in his annoying voice as he brags about how he's destroying me "before she even sees me!" (relax D-ink Smallwood, you're the least of my concern right now). I respawn and slowly walk around unarmed and laughing my ass off at the tangent this incel is going on. He's launched into a sexist rant about "f----ing women, she's going to parley and call her boyfriend" yada yada. I just wave at him whenever he finds me, die, respawn, wait and wave some more. At this point the only thing I'm losing is my time, the Raptors play in about 30 minutes and I'd like to get at least one more daily done...

"Moosh... Moosh, I know that name, I've seen her before! I just sit and stare at some usernames for like 15 minutes, I know that s--- like the back of my hand!" (BOOOY Cool your eggroll, I would remember a turd like you if we'd met before. Maybe you've seen me on a forum somewhere). I got some thick skin, I have a very twisted mind and I can think of some evil things to get even but it really costs too much energy that most don't deserve to have spent on them.

Then Mr Knight in Shining Armour can't contain his swollen member anymore and starts going off on "what [ I ]  need" and "what [I'm] not getting at home", and not joking I could hear him getting off on the digital butt of my character. This dude is too far gone, there's no hope for him to ever smash (take good care of that fleshlight, pal).

I saved the whole thing and I soooo wish that the PS4 Share function captures the in-game voice chat in RDR2 but it doesn't lol. So this post will have to do to show how much of a tool this poor "kid" is. (If he's older than 21, lord have mercy on his soul hahaha)

No username dropping, but if he truly has seen me somewhere, I hope it's here LOL

 

Griefers gon' grief...

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1 hour ago, Moosh89 said:

So last night I decided to play in Offensive mode to test how long I could go without incident. I was in Valentine minding my business, looking at the map trying to find where one of the "rescue" dynamic events usually spawns for the daily challenge. A 2 man posse was killing NPCs and chatting about which guns were better. Suddenly I get pulled from my map because one of them gave me a face full of LeMat. I respawn and go looking for my horse thinking "maybe they accidentally shot me" when I get shot again. I pull my Lancaster and get tagged in the face by the same person again. I respawn, and whistle for my horse. I remember I still have 8 dynamite arrows from a care package a long time ago...

These two guys are still casually chatting, "buddy" doesn't even mention that he's engaged in a fight with me. I catch him rounding the corner taking aim at me again but I dismembered him with a dynamite arrow. I figure he got what he had coming and turn to leave when this dude, not even joking complains that I randomly killed him with a dynamite arrow hahahaha and that "she's trying to hightail it!". I IMMEDIATELY stop and turn around and blast him once more to even the score, since he had a bead on me already. 

Then his partner comes to "rescue" him, running Paint It Black and dual sawed offs (pretty OP and not much "skill" needed), but I'm done at this point as I don't want to waste any more of my stash (as I'm only level 54). "Big man" gets a stiff one so swole I could hear it in his annoying voice as he brags about how he's destroying me "before she even sees me!" (relax D-ink Smallwood, you're the least of my concern right now). I respawn and slowly walk around unarmed and laughing my ass off at the tangent this incel is going on. He's launched into a sexist rant about "f----ing women, she's going to parley and call her boyfriend" yada yada. I just wave at him whenever he finds me, die, respawn, wait and wave some more. At this point the only thing I'm losing is my time, the Raptors play in about 30 minutes and I'd like to get at least one more daily done...

"Moosh... Moosh, I know that name, I've seen her before! I just sit and stare at some usernames for like 15 minutes, I know that s--- like the back of my hand!" (BOOOY Cool your eggroll, I would remember a turd like you if we'd met before. Maybe you've seen me on a forum somewhere). I got some thick skin, I have a very twisted mind and I can think of some evil things to get even but it really costs too much energy that most don't deserve to have spent on them.

Then Mr Knight in Shining Armour can't contain his swollen member anymore and starts going off on "what [ I ]  need" and "what [I'm] not getting at home", and not joking I could hear him getting off on the digital butt of my character. This dude is too far gone, there's no hope for him to ever smash (take good care of that fleshlight, pal).

I saved the whole thing and I soooo wish that the PS4 Share function captures the in-game voice chat in RDR2 but it doesn't lol. So this post will have to do to show how much of a tool this poor "kid" is. (If he's older than 21, lord have mercy on his soul hahaha)

No username dropping, but if he truly has seen me somewhere, I hope it's here LOL

 

Griefers gon' grief...

 

It is annoying when a griefer (singular) kills you with a cheap shot, but you can respawn and can either go after them or go somewhere else,  it’s a whole different story when it’s a persistent posse of 4+ griefers and when you respawn you really have no chance at all.

I think when this happens, the griefers should show up as red dots for everybody, not just you.  Then everybody will know they are a hostile posse and go after them, or a least if you’re just a bystander you’ll know the situation and can either get ready to defend yourself or just leave the area if you don’t want to deal with them.  Who knows.  This is Rockstar’s problem, they are the experts and can see all the data, and they are the only ones who can come up with solutions, if they want to.

But the cynical side of me says that a Rockstar doesn’t care.  If a persistent posse of griefers is buying gold all the time to upgrade camp, get matching outfits, buying all the expensive guns and horses, they are “good customers” for Rockstar.  If you’re just one person who makes money hunting or on missions, etc., and doesn’t buy a lot of gold, you’re more like a freeloader and they are going to side with the posse of griefers and make things easier for them because that’s where the money is at.  I think Rockstar is fully aware that the griefing problem is more profitable preventing it, that’s why the problem is still so persistent after all the months of beta.

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1 hour ago, deadairface said:

 

It is annoying when a griefer (singular) kills you with a cheap shot, but you can respawn and can either go after them or go somewhere else,  it’s a whole different story when it’s a persistent posse of 4+ griefers and when you respawn you really have no chance at all.

I think when this happens, the griefers should show up as red dots for everybody, not just you.  Then everybody will know they are a hostile posse and go after them, or a least if you’re just a bystander you’ll know the situation and can either get ready to defend yourself or just leave the area if you don’t want to deal with them.  Who knows.  This is Rockstar’s problem, they are the experts and can see all the data, and they are the only ones who can come up with solutions, if they want to.

But the cynical side of me says that a Rockstar doesn’t care.  If a persistent posse of griefers is buying gold all the time to upgrade camp, get matching outfits, buying all the expensive guns and horses, they are “good customers” for Rockstar.  If you’re just one person who makes money hunting or on missions, etc., and doesn’t buy a lot of gold, you’re more like a freeloader and they are going to side with the posse of griefers and make things easier for them because that’s where the money is at.  I think Rockstar is fully aware that the griefing problem is more profitable preventing it, that’s why the problem is still so persistent after all the months of beta.

 

Player killing is a staple of R* open world games.      The current problem is R* not adding proper lobbies, not 'griefers'.

So you get players who don't like hostile interactions stuck in lobbies with people who do.   With no real lobby options so suit taste.

The players you call griefers don't consider griefing a problem.  Players like me who love fighting other players don't consider griefing a problem, infact its more than welcome.

Getting attacked by random players is usually the highlight of the night for me. 

 

 

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3 hours ago, deadairface said:

 

But the cynical side of me says that a Rockstar doesn’t care.  If a persistent posse of griefers is buying gold all the time to upgrade camp, get matching outfits, buying all the expensive guns and horses, they are “good customers” for Rockstar.  If you’re just one person who makes money hunting or on missions, etc., and doesn’t buy a lot of gold, you’re more like a freeloader and they are going to side with the posse of griefers and make things easier for them because that’s where the money is at.  I think Rockstar is fully aware that the griefing problem is more profitable preventing it, that’s why the problem is still so persistent after all the months of beta.

Rockstar is not only aware of the griefers, Rockstar encourages them. The same way Rockstar set it up so that I log off in Defensive mode but when I log back in, I'm automatically in Offensive mode.

Griefers/bullies are fairly common in free roam right now, that's why some players still glitch solo/passive lobbies so we can avoid them.

If you find griefers/bullies to be a problem, Rockstar is to blame. Rockstar set their new hunting mission mode up so that weapons and offensive attacks against other players are disabled. They can turn the griefers/bullies off and on as they please. Rockstar just doesn't want to.

 

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4 hours ago, HuDawg said:

 

Player killing is a staple of R* open world games.      The current problem is R* not adding proper lobbies, not 'griefers'.

So you get players who don't like hostile interactions stuck in lobbies with people who do.   With no real lobby options so suit taste.

The players you call griefers don't consider griefing a problem.  Players like me who love fighting other players don't consider griefing a problem, infact its more than welcome.

Getting attacked by random players is usually the highlight of the night for me. 

 

 

 

Use whatever term you like, but I’m talking about things like when I have to go piss downstairs I’ll go into defensive mode far away from any action and hide myself in a cluster of trees.  When I come back one guy suddenly lassoes me for a drag, the other guy opens fire on me while being dragged, and the third guy shoots my horse.  Or the people who stand outside a general store waiting for some to come by and hitch their horse so they can shoot them in the back of the head, etc., etc., etc.

If that’s what you enjoy doing to other players and having done to you, indeed the highlight of your night, I don’t know what to say.  I ride around in free roam in offensive mode and I’m wary of everyone and always ready to defend myself.   That’s a whole different story.  This other stuff I call griefing for lack of a better term and that seems to be the label that’s been adopted by the community.  There’s no reason for it.  Most mature people frown upon it and wish it would be addressed.  

edit: Add to that the possies who stand next to the stranger mission icons knowing that as soon as you complete the mission successfully, the game will respawn you right there next to the station with no gun at the ready, no horse, and the three posse members can then immediately blast you with shotguns.  No chance whatsoever to defend yourself.  You respawn again and if you whistle for your horse, they kill it.  If you don’t want to call them griefers, call them cowardly a-holes.  

They don’t love fighting or love hostile interactions or anything of that nature.  They are there for no other purpose than to ruin other people’s games and try to piss people off.  Of course they don’t consider it a problem, they are classic internet trolls.  

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On 6/3/2019 at 7:02 AM, TaroTwister said:

I play on xboxone.  I'm at level 72. But I get griefed.  I find the only thing I can do is report unsportsment like behavior and when I respawn the griefer and or his posse are still there, not allowing me to leave.  I got mad and told him he is a f-a-h. And Microsoft sent me a message while I was still being griefed by the posse at this point. WHY? Did the get a little message from Microsoft?

 

 

They probably reported you for cussing, never write a threat, or cuss it is a violation of the agreement you signed when you accepted terms for Xbox live.

So, ok when you get griefed, a few things you can do, press charges, parlay, block the user, set your profile to "offline" and change servers, etc.. all will end the BS.

You can also fire back and not incur a penalty and you will have the advantage, auto aim will work for you after they have fired on you, whereas they will not have this, if you have dyna arrows, or exploding rounds, go after them, or just leave it be.

Today I was in Blackwater there was a lot of shooting, I was trying to get to the fast travel post, I was sniped by a level 11 player with a varmit rifle jst as I was getting there, I spawned a little ways off, so, I just turned and road off the other direction, it wasnt worth my time or ammo to go get even, meh, I know I can destroy him, but that is what he wants, me to engage him, I wasnt in that mode, so I just went back to what I was doing, it is up to you how you deal with it.

I prefer to just basically ignore them, unless they really piss me off then I will get even a little and then move on, but it never feels 100% satisfying as it costs me ammo and I would rather use it for other things.

 

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2 hours ago, deadairface said:

 

Use whatever term you like, but I’m talking about things like when I have to go piss downstairs I’ll go into defensive mode far away from any action and hide myself in a cluster of trees.  When I come back one guy suddenly lassoes me for a drag, the other guy opens fire on me while being dragged, and the third guy shoots my horse.  

I don't see the problem with this^.

I mean the principle of it,, Yea, those guys are being pricks.  But pricks are needed in these types of games or the game would be boring.  There'd be no bad guys..

And from a game play perspective..  Those game play mechanics you described are just part of the game.     

 

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13 hours ago, deadairface said:

 

Use whatever term you like, but I’m talking about things like when I have to go piss downstairs I’ll go into defensive mode far away from any action and hide myself in a cluster of trees.  When I come back one guy suddenly lassoes me for a drag, the other guy opens fire on me while being dragged, and the third guy shoots my horse.  Or the people who stand outside a general store waiting for some to come by and hitch their horse so they can shoot them in the back of the head, etc., etc., etc.

If that’s what you enjoy doing to other players and having done to you, indeed the highlight of your night, I don’t know what to say.  I ride around in free roam in offensive mode and I’m wary of everyone and always ready to defend myself.   That’s a whole different story.  This other stuff I call griefing for lack of a better term and that seems to be the label that’s been adopted by the community.  There’s no reason for it.  Most mature people frown upon it and wish it would be addressed.  

edit: Add to that the possies who stand next to the stranger mission icons knowing that as soon as you complete the mission successfully, the game will respawn you right there next to the station with no gun at the ready, no horse, and the three posse members can then immediately blast you with shotguns.  No chance whatsoever to defend yourself.  You respawn again and if you whistle for your horse, they kill it.  If you don’t want to call them griefers, call them cowardly a-holes.  

They don’t love fighting or love hostile interactions or anything of that nature.  They are there for no other purpose than to ruin other people’s games and try to piss people off.  Of course they don’t consider it a problem, they are classic internet trolls.  

Trolls mate they are called trolls. I know a few folk who stopped playing online because of how frequent it is. One guy on this if I seen him I shot straight off every time now he avoids me. 

I'm about level 19 he is a lot higher (uses a carcano) and always when I was on a mission. Seen him last night and as soon as I spotted him he took off.

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1 hour ago, jamesgrahamauldern@gmail.c said:

I know a few folk who stopped playing online because of how frequent it is. 

Yeah, the people I started the game with left because of the griefing. They came back to try it again after Defensive mode started, found it kind of worthless and left again. 

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   About messaging, I`ve told some to "take a pill" or "chill down kid" to see if they are griefers or just a bit high on blood sugar. While most ignores, some replys ans apologizes. Had a longer chat with some east-european guy who showed to be nice.

  btw, I have seven(!) different microsoft-accounts & charecters, wery different types. If one of them ends up in a mess I`ll just jump to one of the others. One of my characters is a younger female, and this character gets picked on a lot moore than the others. Poor girl, she is named Molly O`Shea btw.  

 Was up in Valentine the other night to see the butcher. Played as my norwegian woodsman, tall silent type. As usual, there was shooting, streets was full of dead bodys, like a warscene. I did my things and went down towards the postoffice when I was shot by one of the four red dots. Respawned and collected my post but since I had some spare time I decided to give those griefers a little paypack. The woodsman has only a (Krag-Joergensen norwegian patent 1887) bolt action rifle so I had to pick my ground wisely. The griefers had shot their way out of Valentine and continued their party near Dakota river by now. I approached them, hided behind a rock and shot down two-three of them in a close range battle. While they recovered and regrouped I jumped my horse to find a good place to meet them.  Crossed the field back up to Valentine until I was out of range even for the bolt action, and then when they came up against me I could just pick them, one by one. As I expected, those troublemakers was armed for a close range fight. 

Felt a bit good there and then but I won`t let such troublemakesrs influence my gaming too much. Took a fast-travel to Saint Denis aand had a drink there before I went to bed.

 

 

 

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It wasn't griefing but yesterday I had an incident where I was ambushed after one of those escort missions gone bad and I was taking out all the incoming NPCs when another player rides in and starts 'helping out'. No problem I thought (I had just inadvertently assisted another player with his wolf hunt having stumbled on the pack in Tall Trees). And when the ambush is cleared this dude gets off his horse and starts looting bodies (he only killed 1). I don't really care and just loot as many as I can before he gets to them (having holstered my weapon). Next thing I know he's spotted I'm in defensive mode and lobs a fire bottle at me killing me and my horse and then hightails it to Blackwater leaving me with scrawny nag and a $4 vet bill. I was shocked to see this tossbag was level 230 or something, I thought it had to be some low level scrote pulling such antics.

I'm sure many will say trust nobody in this game even if they appear friendly and helpful but if I took that attitude I wouldn't have had the situation I had last week where someone randomly rode up to me and gave me 2 pelicans to skin for the daily challenge. Thats the frustration with RDO - there are good people out there but there's no way to tell them apart from the wankers regardless of what mechanisms R* put in place. Fortunately there are no serious repercussions for dying in the game so I can continue with my attitude of giving everyone a chance until they prove hostile.

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Either fight them or leave. It takes less than a minute to quick join showdowns, then exit. They are no longer a problem. 

The only thing that stops me from quick joining pvp when being killed repeatedly sometimes is my ego. Then I remember I couldn't care less what anyone else thinks about it. F@#$ them.

It's my time. My time is the most valuable thing in this game. I'll not have it wasted by children or adults with child like minds. It's obvious in this game when someone isn't a fair fight, doesn't want to fight, or is trying to get away. Players that keep on killing when they know these things are just plain ignorant, childish and frankly unbalanced mentally I believe. Something is just not right in their head. 

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In the Last week or so I too have run into a couple of 2 man posses who try to pick on Solo players and the usual back of the head or bait you into a fight players.

It's just getting old fast...do I switch servers or press charges no. most of the time they're just crappy players and I kick their butt or they run away.   Rare occasion I lose or it comes to a worthless draw with blows being traded back and forth. At that point I'll parley or I just bail out for a free roam/PVP.

If I do lose I like to watch the video see what I could have done differently.

Bottom line is I don't let it bother me...

Will R* ever stop griefing the answer is no because it's just a bully mentality and most of them probably have their own shortcomings they're trying to compensate for.  When I was a teen, college and mid twenties I was out enjoying life. F playing video games on a Weekend. Now I'm older and wish I was out at a party or club... longer for those Glory days.  F the Cheeto eating losers, getting all excited on mic because you can walk up behind someone and shoot them in the head.  

Does R* encourage griefing, I believe so.  As someone else mentioned why do you spawn in offensive mode and get disabled instantly during Wild Animal hunts.  Plus when I feud with a lower level guy all of sudden my guns are super dirty, and none of my cards work (ie. Slippery bastard, paint it Black, moment to recuperate). Minute feud is over my guns go back to full clean.

 

I believe they try to level the playing field, and screw around with stuff to make you keep grinding to get stronger and eventually buy that gold.

 

What really gives me grief...

 

I spent 3 stinking hours looking for elk last night, get to town and I can't buy or sell anything..., processing, processing, processing.  Processing hanging for ever. Then some dude hits me in the back of the head with explosives. (Needless to say I torched him and the whole town)  Did he give me grief not really... it's the damn bugs in this game that left me out in the open.

 

My guns need gallons of oil daily and I still can't pitch a tent for more than a few hours (well that sounds like a personal problem)

Between bugs and being drip fed content,  griefers are just an annoyance in my book.

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51 minutes ago, Dissention said:

In the Last week or so I too have run into a couple of 2 man posses who try to pick on Solo players and the usual back of the head or bait you into a fight players.

It's just getting old fast...do I switch servers or press charges no. most of the time they're just crappy players and I kick their butt or they run away.   Rare occasion I lose or it comes to a worthless draw with blows being traded back and forth. At that point I'll parley or I just bail out for a free roam/PVP.

If I do lose I like to watch the video see what I could have done differently.

Bottom line is I don't let it bother me...

This is the best attitude to have..  I mean, its really just a game.

The ones that annoy me the most are the ones that take a cheap shot at me.  Then I end up killing them..  And they just keep coming back.  Like relentless rage stalkers.  And the more I kill them, the angrier they get.  Its a never ending cycle.  

What would be great is a MERCY parlay that can be forced onto player that you kill 3 times.    That would send most RAGE stalkers into a complete melt down.

 

And...Blips are still a problem.  While the blips are great at long distance to prevent hostile players from targeting players easily.   Close range blips still exist.   Blips should only show when shooting and players are in certain range of that playing shooting.     Theres no reason why anyone should see blips of random players for no reason.

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Been awhile since I've been on here, just got back into RDO after taking a break for Division 2...

The close range blips dont bother me too much, but ya, they could definitely be improved. Glad they're not on the main map anymore so griefers have a harder time finding people.

My buddy and I were hunting yesterday, filling a wagon and a posse rides up on us. They couldnt find me, but killed him so he parlayed with them. They stuck around for a while, waiting for the time on parlay to run out, I guess, so my buddy did something he discovered... when in parlay with someone, you can still kill them with a machete. Didnt see how, but I think he had to crouch down for it to work. Guess they got annoyed that he was killing them but they could touch him, so they left the session. Seems to work on posse members when protected by friendly fire as well, as he tested it on me later.

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13 hours ago, The Coca-Cola Kid said:

That sucks, I understand your frustration... do you know how fire a warning shot so it sends out a message on the screen “player x has fired a warning shot”? Maybe that could help you avoid conflict in situations like these? Just trying to help!

 

Never heard of that or seen it. Good advice.  Especially if you are in defensive mode, basically telling someone I'm no threat to you so don't threaten me....or else.   Oftentimes it's hard to tell if someone is stalking you or just nearby looking for some yarrow.  So do you just aim and press up on the d pad to fire a bullet straight into the air?

One thing that would help me a lot is if the names that are listed (online options/players i think) were ordered by proximity to you instead of what seems like randomly.  Sometimes I see somebody seems suspicious so I want to take a quick look at their honor and hostility, but their name is something 247SAND420XXX4 and is buried at the bottom of the list with a bunch of similar names.  Perhaps that's not technically feasible, I don't know.

I suppose what I want to see is if somebody wants to play as hostile, they show up on the map as always red -- or orange, purple, pick a color.  I have no problem if someody wants to play as dishonorable/hostile.  The game needs these people.  But if they choose to go that way, they and anyone in their posse should never show up on the minimap as a simple blue dot just like everybody else, they need always to be identified as hostile somehow.

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13 hours ago, The Coca-Cola Kid said:

Yep that’s it... just be careful not to accidentally shoot a player or the invisible swordsman. Haha

 

Ah!! that's what happened?

Tried to switch off telescopic but my girlie fired a shot into the air instead.

So that's a warning shot?

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Today I had 3 incidents, it is funny some days I wont even see another person and other days well.....

Sorry this came out so long, let's call it "War and Piss" a novel by an outlaw semi griefer.

So, I spawn into just north of St Denis, not my ideal spawn in, but ok, here I am, I figured I can travel to Tumbleweed and do a few daily challenges, then come back, but I see 4 boar and I need the fat so, I shoot  them, as I am skinning one of them, some kid comes by on his horse and tries to lasso me, well it didnt work, obviously and so I said to him, nope.
Well that was it, lol he jumped off his horse and approached so I decided ok, I warned ya, and I shot him, making me the bad guy but oh well, I have boar here and a bush I need for daily challenges, etc..otherwise I would have taken off, anyway he spawned a ways off pressed charges and then took a shot at me, I then remembered I am in PIB mode, so I quickly swapped my cards to Slippery B, so he cant target me, and I equip a dyna arrow, lob one over to him, and he is gone, doesnt come back, encounter over.

I grab my boars, and huckleberry and I move along.

Down in Gaptooth Ridge 10 minutes later I am about to head out for a cougar or two, but a hideout pops up, I look on the map, no one around, I figured, ok, I ll clear it quick

I get over there and start clearing and here he comes, some try hard, level 18, figured this level 141 needs help?

SO I say into my mic, Dude, how you gonna crash another mans hideout, beat it, I dont need you, but ok,
He doesnt listen, so I say ok if you want to help, do me one favor, dont kill the leader til we get him to surrender, no sooner did I say then he kills him, this irritates me, so I say something like, nice going dumbass.
 I dont remember exactly but I said something snarky, but hey he deserves it as far as I am concerned,  if he were in front me I would have said much worse, but anyway, ok

I start looting, this try hard runs up and tackles me, I struggle for a few minutes, we fight a little, I go for a gun and he gets the best of me, no problem, I spawn a little ways off, I still have my bow equipped, I ride over in Slippery, he is hiding, lol I said "I can see you hiding there dumbass, get a clue dude" then I lobbed a dyno arrow at him and poof, he goes flying, it was really funny, looking back I should have grabbed a video, but I didnt think of it.

Now,. I provoked him yes, but cmon, dont be a douche.

Ok, I see a red blip running toward me, I take a shot and kill him, then I see another and do the same, turns out the second wasnt him, lol it was some level 127 player who must have wondered into the area and I accidentally mistook him for the troll.

So, he takes a shot at me, I kill him again, as he spawns in I explain look man, sorry I thought you were that other douche, he just crashed my hideout and then attacked me, so I was dealing with him, I didnt realize you had entered the scene, so, Im sorry about that but get over it.

Well he got over it alright, he took to chasing the level 18 player who started all this, lol I just stood on the top of a hill on my horse with exploding rounds ready to go and watched as he chased that little fkr far away, it was quite satisfying.

Anyway in that case I was the griefer, I didnt mean to be, but to the level 127 guy, he was just rolling along and I killed him, so to him, I was a griefer.

 

I am glad he heard me and understood the issue and even took it further and decided to deal out his revenge to the guy who started the trouble in the first place.

The point is, it is easy to shoot the wrong guy at times if you dont pay attention, I wasnt in fight mode so my attention wasnt on who is this, rather let me set up so I can deal with whoever it is.

Anyway, in the end I re-spawned far far away to avoid further action and get back to daily challenges,

Got my 2 cougars, and then a person in need and got off again.

So, if you do get shot,look at the whole picture, maybe you were accidentally targeted and if so it isnt worth your aggravation and stress, mistakes do happen.
 

The other day I was shot in Rhodes by a low level player, BUT I know he was in the midst of shooting at several other players, I just got in the mix by accident, I didnt get mad, or get even, I just rode off back to what I was doing, because I know it wasnt on purpose or directed at me.

You have to pick your battles.

Just alwasy have a defense set up ready to go, I keep a hunting profile equipped but in a pinch I can swap into fight mode in about 2 seconds, and I am an advocate for you shoot me I shoot you back x 10 and everyone you ride with too, so dont bother with me unless you really want to go.

So far so good,

 As others said, yeah trolls suck and can be a nasty distraction, BUT they do add a level of realism to the game, I mean drunken idiots would ambush people at times, so, ok, when it happens, you can either run away, stand and fight or whatever opportunities you can think of based on the situation.

But, dont get stressed, if it bothers you and you arent looking for that type of attention, then there are things you can do.
Play in offline mode, block players that shoot you, just hit pause, online, free roam and then ok, hit another server, etc.. and then get back to it, it isnt worth getting upset over it.

IT will never end and once you are better equipped it can be a nice change if pace to kill a few try hards who thought they would harass you.

At level 72 I think the OP said he was, should be well enough equipped to handle about anything thrown at him, if he has been applying himself and maxing out his cards and buying pamphlets, remember most peopel attacking you have not done that and arent that well equipped.

 

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3 hours ago, The Coca-Cola Kid said:

It should give a message on screen saying that a warning shot was fired. That’s how you know it worked.

Aye it did but I thought it said the other guy fired the warning shot. 🤦‍♂️

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I ran into this situation with griefers, I spawn into Saint Denis & right away notice 3 player West of me. I ran to the closest house to take cover & activate Def mode. At this point I hear dynamite blowing up all around me. I don't get hit, I jump a few fences to get away from the players & get on my horse and ride away. I see on my app they are following me and I hear more dynamite going off right behind me, but they don't hit me. So non of them turn red for me.

 I head to the nearest shop, which was the barber. Inside I notice the 3 players waiting for me outside. I look & of course they are in the same posse. I wait a bit and notice on my app there is another random player appear & goes into the saloon down the street. I see the 3 player leave me & head for the saloon.

 I've never done this before so I wanted to see what would happen. I'm still in def mode, so I ride up to the 3 griefers just outside of the saloon. 3 griefers are shooting in at the one player inside, as the one player shoots back. They don't notice me, so I throw a stick of dynamite & kill 2 of the 3 griefers. Right away I'm put into Medium hostility. So I just take off North out of the city. The 1 griefer that was left alive tries to follow me, by the time his horse gets to him. I'm long gone & no longer see them on the app. 
 
 I start my timer on my phone to see how long I will stay in Medium hostility. It only took 2 mins for me to be able to activate Def mode again. In my opinion it should take a lot longer than 2 mins for me to go back to Def mode.  Since technically it looked like I was the aggressor.

I thought I read somewhere on R*, that if you attack someone in Def mode yours suppose to have increase hostility. I thought I would have high hostility instead of medium hostility and didn't think it would only be two mins to go back to Def mode.

I'm not proud of myself for attacking players in Def mode, but they did start it.

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Yeah I think lately they are tweaking and nerfing aspects of the game to help out the low level newer players including this situation as it is clear that the higher pecentage of people shooting defensive mode players are newer players, and R* wants new players and doesnt want them to get discouraged right away and leave the game, so they nerf our ability cards that I worked so hard for and spent so much money on to level the field a little, they tweak the hostility system to not be as smart as it was supposed to be, and several other little things and it is getting irritating to be honest.

We worked long and hard to get here, why should we lose our advantages so that newer players feel they have a fighting chance?

Newer players dont need to be out attacking, they need to get busy grinding like I did to get to a point where they can actually win a fight, instead of making their whole game experience just hanging around the butcher taking cheap shots at passerbyes.

I dunno but lately I am getting really bored with the game as a result the pvp is unplayable like this, the free roam is good but boring once you have done everything 10x, and without my cards working correctly it is frustrating, Like I would take to griefer hunting full time if my cards worked correctly, it woudl be fun, but I mean if Never without one was actually working and Slow and steady did what it said, etc..

A level 7 player with a carbine that hasnt been upgraded should not be able to one shot kill me when I am running those two cards, its just off.

Then it would be fun, ok you think your goign to attack people?

Well here is the sad truth buddy, your not, you cant kill a high level payer with maxed out ability cards with what you have, it just isnt gonna happen, this alone would shift those players from griefing to grinding to get better so they can grief. Oh yeah, sorry IMO.

 

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2 hours ago, lumper said:

Yeah I think lately they are tweaking and nerfing aspects of the game to help out the low level newer players including this situation as it is clear that the higher pecentage of people shooting defensive mode players are newer players, and R* wants new players and doesnt want them to get discouraged right away and leave the game, so they nerf our ability cards that I worked so hard for and spent so much money on to level the field a little, they tweak the hostility system to not be as smart as it was supposed to be, and several other little things and it is getting irritating to be honest.

We worked long and hard to get here, why should we lose our advantages so that newer players feel they have a fighting chance?

Newer players dont need to be out attacking, they need to get busy grinding like I did to get to a point where they can actually win a fight, instead of making their whole game experience just hanging around the butcher taking cheap shots at passerbyes.

I dunno but lately I am getting really bored with the game as a result the pvp is unplayable like this, the free roam is good but boring once you have done everything 10x, and without my cards working correctly it is frustrating, Like I would take to griefer hunting full time if my cards worked correctly, it woudl be fun, but I mean if Never without one was actually working and Slow and steady did what it said, etc..

A level 7 player with a carbine that hasnt been upgraded should not be able to one shot kill me when I am running those two cards, its just off.

Then it would be fun, ok you think your goign to attack people?

Well here is the sad truth buddy, your not, you cant kill a high level payer with maxed out ability cards with what you have, it just isnt gonna happen, this alone would shift those players from griefing to grinding to get better so they can grief. Oh yeah, sorry IMO.

 

I've only been online for week or two (took my nieces avatar as she refuses to play online due to the trolls) and am at lv26 so it can't be that hard to level up without the trolling (refuse to give them a cool name they are trolls) so I see your point and pretty much agree.

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How to detect possible trolls/griefers:

On Xbox you just look at their gamercard. It tells you a lot of your opponents playing style...


If they are "offline" or "seen on XBox app/Nextflix  x days ago" there is 90% chance that they are trolls/griefers. 
Add that to a 3 digit level over 170, they are probably cheaters too...

Always check out your nearby players, and you would be amazed...

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