Benjo Posted August 13, 2018 Author Posted August 13, 2018 56 minutes ago, Cokeyskunk said: That was actually the first thing I thought of when I saw the main character wasn't Marston. I think you're right. And the story probably ends when John is shot and "left for dead" by Dutch, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuela. Nope. It starts with John approaching the fort where Bill Williamson is holed-up, trying to convince him to let him in. They discuss Williamson, Escuela and Dutch leaving Marston for dead. Marston takes an aggressive step forward, and one of Williamson's men shoots John in the ribs. He passes out, then wakes up at the MacFarlane Ranch.
rick249kdr Posted August 13, 2018 Posted August 13, 2018 I'm fully on-board with the "Arthur dies and you play the last mission and free-roam as Marston" idea. However, I don't think it's going to be Marston to kill him. Personally, I just can't see it. The whole Dutch idea seems solid to me as he's a pretty well established bad guy type. I thought I saw this is taking place ten or twelve years BEFORE the first game so I don't think the events of RDR2 will lead right up to the beginning of the first game. Unless there's a time jump.
Benjo Posted August 13, 2018 Author Posted August 13, 2018 1 minute ago, rick249kdr said: I'm fully on-board with the "Arthur dies and you play the last mission and free-roam as Marston" idea. However, I don't think it's going to be Marston to kill him. Personally, I just can't see it. The whole Dutch idea seems solid to me as he's a pretty well established bad guy type. I thought I saw this is taking place ten or twelve years BEFORE the first game so I don't think the events of RDR2 will lead right up to the beginning of the first game. Unless there's a time jump. Yeah maybe John doing it would make us like him less. But again, the main protag dying at the end of the story seems a bit obvious so I'm starting to think it's just not going to happen.
rick249kdr Posted August 13, 2018 Posted August 13, 2018 That's my thinking. Either we'll dislike Marston for doing it. Or we dislike Arthur and want him to die, in which case, that's a tough protagonist to play. It definitely is obvious, but I'm still leaning toward him dying. Either that or Michael and Trevor pick him up in a spaceship and he shows up in GTA 6. It is R* after all.
YodaMan 3D Posted August 13, 2018 Posted August 13, 2018 I see Ross catch Arthur and convinces him to turn over the gang. Instead Arthur, goes and gives his gang a warning about Ross. Ross being the lying 2 face that he is. Has Arthur followed to where Dutch's gang is residing at. There is a massacre, Arthur is given a choice to flee with his lady friend and make a honest woman of her or die defending his friends to the end. Well John takes his family and Uncle to Blackwater, where they purchase Beechers Hope and retires from the criminal lifestyle tries to settle down. Bill has friends in Armadillo, so heads there and meets a gang that needs an extra gun and makes friends fast. Javier has family in Mexico, where he is welcomed with open arms, seeing how his second cousin twice removed has big plans, one Colonel Agustin Allende. Meanwhile, Dutch seeing his gang get decimated and feeling this betrayal was caused by one he called a friend. Sneaks off during the battle leaving to go and hide in the mountains where he meets others like himself and seeking a charismatic leader that feels hatred by the ways of humanity. Meanwhile, Arthur being controlled by you is given a few options. You can A) grab you lady love by the hand, offer to make a honest woman out of her, then lead her to safety. Hoping that with all of the bodies yours won't be missed. B) refuse to allow Ross to harm anyone, take up arms and lead an attack at Ross and his cronies, where you get (que that Bon Jovi song, "Blaze of Glory") where you get shot down in the blaze of glory defending your friends in hopes that they will join you and make a last stand. Never living long enough to realize they ran instead of fighting with you. C) Being shot in the back by Dutch, when he discovers you lead the law to his front door, you idiot. D) Last but not least, you arrive at camp. Ross congratulates you on helping him bring them all to justice, forcing your friends to believe that you betrayed them. Which causes a firefight when Ross shoots you in the back. He can't share this glorious moment in his career with anyone. Especially a dirty rotten outlaw such as yourself.
Jono56667 Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 Some brilliant ideas here but I don't think Arthur will survive cos Ross just wouldn't allow it so I think shits ganna go down and alot of your gang is ganna get killed on the job where John gets shot and what is left of the gang being Bill, Javier, Arthur and dutch make a run for it leaving john to think they abandoned him thn after they make it to safety Arthur tells dutch he wants out or something like that and takes Arthur's lady friend and they settle down and have a child together thn skip forward a few years and john finds him and in the reunion cutscene your given a button prompt to pull the trigger and you think your pulling the trigger as Arthur but when you do john fires and kills Arthur the a cut scene following john he gets on a ferry to backwater and lead into RDR1 1
Benjo Posted August 14, 2018 Author Posted August 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Jono56667 said: Some brilliant ideas here but I don't think Arthur will survive cos Ross just wouldn't allow it so I think shits ganna go down and alot of your gang is ganna get killed on the job where John gets shot and what is left of the gang being Bill, Javier, Arthur and dutch make a run for it leaving john to think they abandoned him thn after they make it to safety Arthur tells dutch he wants out or something like that and takes Arthur's lady friend and they settle down and have a child together thn skip forward a few years and john finds him and in the reunion cutscene your given a button prompt to pull the trigger and you think your pulling the trigger as Arthur but when you do john fires and kills Arthur the a cut scene following john he gets on a ferry to backwater and lead into RDR1
Jono56667 Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 7 hours ago, Benjo said: Yea I didn't word that well lol I kind of thought of new things as I was writing it lol but basically Arthur runs of with his last friend and has a kid thn a few years later Arthur is killed by John who thn goes on to do the events of RDR
BropolloCreed79 Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 On 8/13/2018 at 8:46 AM, Cokeyskunk said: That was actually the first thing I thought of when I saw the main character wasn't Marston. I think you're right. And the story probably ends when John is shot and "left for dead" by Dutch, Bill Williamson, and Javier Escuela. I see it panning out a bit differently. Arthur walks away from a life of crime on land and takes to sea as the Captain of his own pirate vessel (with a penchant for rum, no less).
YellowDragon Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 If we are basing this off what they did in GTA V and how RDR functioned, then Arthur dies, goes missing, or gets locked up and we finish the game as John. I am not opposed to this if they do it right but I still think this is a bit predictable. Like if they want to surprise us with something near the end, would they do anything like this?
Jono56667 Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 What do people think this game will have for its ending? Will we play the post game as Arthur or will Arthur die and we go on as maybe john or someone else
Freddie Mercury Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 35 minutes ago, Jono56667 said: What do people think this game will have for its ending? Will we play the post game as Arthur or will Arthur die and we go on as maybe john or someone else I think he'll die at the end, and you'll play as John afterwards.
Freddie Mercury Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, CMcC said: I think we’re covering this in another thread. That's what i was thinking as well. And it turns out you're correct. Original thread: http://www.rdr2.org/forum/topic/665-im-predicting-the-ending-now/ Edited August 14, 2018 by Freddie Mercury
CMcC Posted August 14, 2018 Posted August 14, 2018 So Red Dead has been said to be a "permanent franchise" according to Take Two. Which means we can someday expect a Red Dead Redemption 3 or something of the like. Maybe that will be a continuation of Arthur's story, in which case he makes it out of this one alive. Or maybe, simply, He ends things on good terms with John and they go their separate ways- which would explain why he isn't mentioned in RDR. They part as friends. Each wanting out of the outlaw life. The more and more i think about it, the more faith I have in Arthur making it out alive.
Benjo Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 We can't ignore the fact that John didn't go after him in RDR1. For me there are only 2 possible reasons for this: He died in this story. He made his peace with John, ie helped him. The second one sounds much more like what R$ would do. Have Arthur help John, then leave the gang. This builds your bond with the protagonist (as who wouldn't like someone who helped John Marston) and it would explain why John had no beef with him in the end. Having him die would, like we've said, be too predictable. 1
Jono56667 Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 I don't think Arthur will survive just cos Ross would not allow it, if he found out or even thought Arthur was alive he'd have him hunted and killed
YodaMan 3D Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 We need to remember that Ross, really wanted everyone dead in RDR, and I think it goes way beyond him looking out for his career. I think the gang embarrasses him badly and he wants them all dead. Though this is predictable, it doesn't say how it happens. Does Ross do it himself.? Does he make John do it? Does he put Arthur in a bad situation that gets him killed by someone else in the gang?
Cokeyskunk Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 17 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said: I see it panning out a bit differently. Arthur walks away from a life of crime on land and takes to sea as the Captain of his own pirate vessel (with a penchant for rum, no less). I'd like that, too. I just meant I think it's correct that you play as Morgan for the first half (ish), then as Marston for the last part. 1
BropolloCreed79 Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 15 hours ago, CMcC said: The more and more i think about it, the more faith I have in Arthur making it out alive. What he ends up doing "after" is going to be the twist in the epilogue. If the series is intended to be a permanent fixture in Rockstar's catalog, I'd expect nothing less than an open-ended ending.
YodaMan 3D Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 18 minutes ago, Benjo said: Other people talking about this. Cause they hadn't created him yet. 1
Benjo Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 1 minute ago, YodaMan 3D said: Cause they hadn't created him yet. That's basically it. It's not really a question of "Why didn't John talk about Arthur in RDR1", it's more a question of "How are R$ going to explain the fact John didn't talk about Arthur in RDR1". 1
YodaMan 3D Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 21 minutes ago, Benjo said: That's basically it. It's not really a question of "Why didn't John talk about Arthur in RDR1", it's more a question of "How are R$ going to explain the fact John didn't talk about Arthur in RDR1". Well, that is easy enough. Marston is a man and real man back then just didn't talk about their feelings, especially when it came down to other men.
Benjo Posted August 15, 2018 Author Posted August 15, 2018 5 minutes ago, YodaMan 3D said: Well, that is easy enough. Marston is a man and real man back then just didn't talk about their feelings, especially when it came down to other men. 1
Archbell Posted August 15, 2018 Posted August 15, 2018 When I learned that we wouldn't be playing as John Marston in Red Dead Redemption II and were instead gonna be playing as Arthur Morgan I was convinced that Arthur would die due to the fact that he is not referenced in Red Dead Redemption but seen as Rockstar never do what is expected my money is on Arthur surviving but I do understand that the odds are stacked against him. I'm still very unsure about whether the story will span the several years from 1899 to 1906 when John Marston leaves the gang, the very first teaser trailer for Red Dead Redemption II made me believe that we would see John's departure from the Van der Linde Gang. My belief was that the line spoken by Arthur ("When the time comes you better run and don't look back, this is over") was directed at John. We learn in Red Dead Redemption that John was shot and left for dead during a ferry robbery in 1906 (The ferry on which this takes place is widely assumed to be The Serendipity that can be seen in Red Dead Redemption). During dialogue John states that he left the gang after the gang left him, I think it would be a nice twist if we find out that John wasn't being entirely truthful when he discusses what happened during what turned out to be his last robbery. We know from dialogue throughout the trailers we've seen that Arthur is well aware that their way of life and that of outlaws is coming to an end, maybe he feels his days are numbered because he's a well known senior gun in the Van der Linde Gang and that there is no way out for him but he does see a way out for John and his family so he makes a plan with John and/or Abigail before the ferry robbery which involves him shooting John during the gang's escape purely to maim him so that John has an excuse/reason to leave the gang behind. After doing this and insuring John's path away from the gang Arthur could either die by Lawmen as a result of carrying out this ruse or fake his death when The Serendipity sinks after which he travels to South America or Haiti to live out the rest of his days. This is all purely hypothetical and just the best ending my imagination can muster. 2
redgrizz Posted August 20, 2018 Posted August 20, 2018 most folks are expecting him to die, i'm thinking he wasnt talking to john in the first trailer but sadie and he goes is own way too after seeing how bent dutch has become by the end of the game....just a thought
tadp0le Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 I think both will happen depending on how you play the game. Either way, Arthur won't be a character in future games. I think RDR3 would either involve Jack (please God no) or maybe a young Dutch, possibly another gang member and they can tie it into Arthur.
debbo89 Posted August 21, 2018 Posted August 21, 2018 Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't think this has been suggested yet, but what if Arthur fakes his own death? John says that he was 'left for dead' during the robbery, but what if he wasn't? Arthur could have found John shot down and helps him to escape with his family. John is indebted to Arthur for the rest of his life and thats why he never speaks of him in RDR1, as he promised never to reveal that Arthur is alive. We could see Arthur riding off into the sunset and at that point we take over playing as John.
Benjo Posted August 21, 2018 Author Posted August 21, 2018 1 minute ago, debbo89 said: Correct me if i'm wrong but I don't think this has been suggested yet, but what if Arthur fakes his own death? John says that he was 'left for dead' during the robbery, but what if he wasn't? Arthur could have found John shot down and helps him to escape with his family. John is indebted to Arthur for the rest of his life and thats why he never speaks of him in RDR1, as he promised never to reveal that Arthur is alive. We could see Arthur riding off into the sunset and at that point we take over playing as John. Check out the vid I posted earlier in this thread - they suggest that there.
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