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....well, you could parlay. I mean, there’s no reason to rack up a massive bounty just because some kid shot at you first. That being said, being shot at/killed should automatically make you exempt from accumulating bounties for actions taken against the shooter and his posse for something like 10 minutes or so...

I was worried this would happen ever since they described the bounty system and I've had the exact same experience as you since the update dropped, the only difference being that I don't wanna spend $7,000 just to avoid paying my bounty. Rockstar have made self defence a crime and are punishing players who defend themselves by taking their money away, I've lost £58 dollars to bounty hunters already. Rockstar haven't added this bounty system to reduce the amount of griefing, they've added this bounty system to make it look like their trying to reduce the amount of griefing. Everybody knows that if Rockstar wanted to stop griefing all they'd have to do was add PVE Lobbies/Friendly Freeroams where players couldn't harm each other but Rockstar will never do that because griefers contribute towards their profits, I'd be willing to bet that a decent number of Shark Cards and Gold Bars have been bought by disgruntled players that didn't have enough in game cash to buy the weapons/vehicles they were being griefed by and therefore gave Rockstar more money in order to purchase said weapons/vehicles. I found Red Dead Online a tad boring and stale before the update came out and I was hoping an update would revitalise the game and increase the player base but all it's done is ruin Freeroam and make hunting vastly less profitable. They still haven't fixed the stubble facial hair option or issues that cause the game to crash and they seem to have removed all loot from trains. I had a red sash glitched onto an outfit that wasn't doing any harm but Rockstar deleted that so I was hoping they would've added some good clothing in return, they've added some decent clothing options but most of them seem to be marketed towards clowns judging by the brightness of the colours used. RIP Landon Ricketts, without the sash I just look like a tramp. Red Dead Online was a good bit of fun before the update so it's a real shame they've started to tax players. I'm gonna quit playing until the next update or patch, if Rockstar had any decency they would fix this broken bounty system and give players their money back but unfortunately I don't see that happening.

I saw the bounty hunter thing actually force a mission to end just so it could start. Like it cancelled it out. And the dude who had the bounty was like okay lemme get rid of this. Cuz the leader was kinda irritated and would have kicked him if he didn't get rid of it. And I only say scream cuz before I started online, I remember hearing the playerbase scream real hard at the prices of items and the low output of rewards from missions. And I think it got changed pretty fast, well fast for Rockstar.

@Kormath I did end getting the gold for this last night 😀

that the type of environment my crew and I aim for, we help random people on our journey, just approach them and hang out a bit, help them hunt, escort them on their missions, etc.. we have a strict no griefing policy, where random people shouldn't be harassed or killed until they provoke an attack. These type of scenarios/encounters encourage people to stay, enjoy and play the game which is what we need if we want Rockstar to actually make this game into an amazing experience.

I called it from the start. Any sort of so called anti-griefing measures R* adds will be used against players who defend themselves. And here we are... As soon as I joined free roam, I was attacked by a large posse. They where all under level 20 and where not that quick or good, so I easily defended myself and laid waste to this pack of low levels. But they kept respawning and coming back at me. So I kept defending myself. 30 mins later.. I have a $35 dollar bounty and all the newbies left the game. And for the rest of the night I have to deal with so called bounty hunters spawning in trying to kill me and take $35 away from me. I'll admit, at 1st it was fun being wanted 'dead or alive'. Friends of mine where cracking up as I sang "Waaanted Dead or Alive'... as bounty hunters kept coming for me. But then it just became annoying. Because they just keep coming for me, over and over again. On top of that.. My blip is red. So now players think im the 'bad guy' which prompts them to shoot 1st. Which also ends with me defending myself and getting more of a bounty. This isn't a Bounty system.. Its a kill tax with debt collectors. And I ain't paying.. Instead I ended up upgrading a few ability cards, spent all my money till I had 1 cent left. Then I let the debt collectors kill me (and they only got 1 cent). Guess that's the new way of playing to avoid this dumb ass new Bounty System (Kill Tax). Just stay broke and live free. Spend all the money ASAP and just use GOLD for purchasing items. .

Confirmed... I’ve got plenty of wildlife to sling lead at today, in all the usual spots. And now I notice Bison are dropping FIVE cuts of meat instead of the old max of four. Sweet!

Hi Stranger and welcome to the website.

Arthur got TB or you got TB? I'm confused here.

Not bad, but since you can't do dialogue in these things, a short description of what the story being told here is might help put it in context for us. Also, where is the corpse at 2:26 located in the game?

That's correct. More specifically:

I went through fast travel last night with a black bear pelt on my horse that I had forgotten about and it was still with me on the other end.😎

Ok... but still, after you kill them they’re easy enough to evade while they respawn, unless you’re a red dot constantly... have you considered maybe that they don’t suck as bad as they do, but are deliberately goading you into shooting them over and over until you rack up enough bounty to snap? Regardless, there is no reason you absolutely have to rack up massive bounties. But I still think if you’re shot at first, you should e exempt from Bounty and aggressive player status for defending yourself

I just parley and never shoot back. Really sad and boring but i rather parley than pay and it doesnt really matter anymore if some dude shoots me when i get to keep my things on my horse so whats the point on returning fire. Red blue dots is all the same to me.... I dont evade or treat red dots different because again it doesnt really matter

Yeah..... I farm so much meat and hides in my hunting spot that I simply stow the first 2 or 3 star, 4 legged, whole animal I kill. Same with the two sides of the horse. Usually turkeys, geese or whatever I think will get more money. I skin the rest and farm the materials. Now, I'm not taking into consideration individual cost differences but just judging by my usual haul, time spent, etc., my profit is essentially the same. I think I lost pelts once but I recall being surprised a couple times when they were all still there when I expected them not to be. I need to pay more attention to this.

Yeah, I did some hunting last night and after trading in a typical haul, I got about the same amount I normally do. I still find hunting lucrative in this game after the update. A plus is that I now get paid for all my pelts too.

We went hunting last night in my favorite spot and there were plenty of birds, deer, little critters and even more exotic animals to be had. I loaded up like I normally do and rode into town. With meat, feathers, horns/antlers, pelts, whole carcasses and other bits my payout was what it normally is for that amount of time I spent in the field. To be honest, I find hunting just as lucrative as I did before. What I really like is that I'm now being paid for pelt that I didn't used to get money for due to a bug. I wasn't losing a lot but it all adds up. If there is a way to do it that works well, I agree. Personally, I don't have as much of a problem with the bounty system as some do. I've had a posse member get killed by a low level player we crossed paths with (likely just scared). I shot them with my shotgun riding up behind my team mate. Instant kill and a 20 cent bounty. We simply rode on. ....I paid the bounty at a later time when filling up with ammo at the post office. Something else I found interesting is when I was riding the train through Saint Denis, I heard shooting and then a posse jumped on board with me. They knew I was there but didn't approach. They were being chased by lawmen / posses. I don't know how many they killed (it was a lot) but they never turned dark red like continual murderers do. I dunno..... Seems to me you have to do a lot to get a higher bounty on your head whether that's indiscriminately killing fellow players or vigorously defending yourself. So far, I don't have a problem. Also, griefers have almost been a non existent problem for us since the update so far. ......which is great in my book.

Only 100 Gold Bars! I'd honestly be shocked if Oxen and Donkeys or other beasts of burden didn't make it in eventually.

That's what I was thinking..... He's been been playing online and Dad is worried about the story? IMO, if you have to ask then it's probably safe to say the game isn't for him.

I laughed so hard at that.. because its true. On a side note.. I want a bull that has yes and no on its ass.

And let's not forget the incest couple.

I think im done screaming .. Just too much work. They need to put someone in charge that knows what they are doing. I could do a better job, without even trying. So after spending a night with a bounty.. This what I've seen. Bounty hunters killing players doesn't even remove the bounty. (Swore it did, but nope). They just kill players, leave, and come back again in 5-10 mins. Bounty hunters spawn out of thin air. Sometimes even spawn behind each other. So ONE bounty hunter turns in to 5 in a few seconds. Its as BAD as GTA O cops. Like they are entering through a magical portal. Bounty hunters can sometimes just magically spawn on top of players after finishing a mission.. right as you spawn back into free roam. I must have killed over 300 bounty hunters last night in just a few hours. I don't see the point of paying off the bounty, since i'll just end up getting another one. Like holy sh*t R*. Just add damn private lobbies, Leave Free Roam alone. And add a FREE AIM!. Remove your stupid show down modes. Add shoot outs and team shoot outs. Then go play drip feed the clothing/items game to milk your player base. Is R* hiring someone to run this sh*t show? I'll do it for free. Unless R* plan is to annoy all apsects of their player base

The base prices for cougar carcasses were lowered among other big money animals like bucks, seems to match single player prices. Herons and spoonbills only give one feather regardless of quality. Those types of things, the stuff people were making bank on. And y'all act like hunting is the only way to make money. Story mission waiting it out while hunting still works. Posse up and do stranger missions, the dailies. Hunting isn't the only thing in this game. I do think they need to rethink the fact that defending ourselves when someone is clearly bright red gives you a bounty. But I'm hopeful if we scream hard enough they'll change it, soon.

There is a lot R* needs to do still with online. But... DUDE.. Online only launched... as BETA... 12 WEEKS ago. There *is* no “long ago.” I understand attention spans are short these days, but DAY-um!

I played around two hours today. I saw plenty of red dots (maybe two posies screwing around) in and around valentine). I saw them from quite a way off. I tried to do some of my hunting circuits... that’s my biggest let down. It’s like there are no animals around anymore. I can’t say I noticed all that huge a price drop in the items I did sell (I’m not the best to make a comparison. I didn’t keep records or care all that much) but I’m not brining in near the same volume of wildlife parts and accessories to the dealer. I passed through valentine on my way to my camp, where the giant gunfight was going on. I got killed, of course, and parlay popped up right away. I like this, though this time I didn’t take the option. I got on my horse and rode while my would be griefer chased after and send a few bullets at my back. I was able to easily loose him by taking a cross country shortcut, so I can’t say the reduced blip rate is all that bad a thing. I was also able to cross paths with many of the blue and purple players, so I can’t say the world is all that empty feeling. Well, other than the wildlife up and leaving... overall, I didn’t find all that much to complain about in my brief post update visit. But I don’t play a violent psychopath style. I also didn’t try to fight my way out of the valentine situation I (quite deliberately) put myself in. I don’t know how bad the bounty system is for defending myself, or if it even applies when you go into the one on one or whatever system.

Some of us stopped long ago. I don't see anything to come back for either.

But... It's a beta.* *he said, sarcastically

First and foremost this forum, because I was able to find a posse rider @BurbonChaser who has taught me a crap ton about this game. Second, believe it or not, an Australian streamer named parth1c. The Mississippi servers kept players out of the game for 7 and 1/2 days. The streamer allowed me to jump join his sessions, and shortly after invited me to his posse. His friends from around the world friended me and I got invited to working servers or was able to join session and got to play without missing a beat. I even met a guy from our neighboring state of Louisiana!! I am no longer getting on just to grind. Parth1c's friends who often comprise more than one Posse with all of us in the same chat party, do mission after mission after mission and I'm leveling up without even thinking about it because I'm really really having fun.

Yeah I will agree. In fairness article looks like it was written by someone who has a short on the stock. If i'm not mistaken they neglected to mention that RDO has generated more revenue at this point in the development cycle than GTAO. It's early in product life and probably have lots of plans for enhancements and new stuff to come so it's more of a patience and provide feedback sort of stage.

this game is doomed to failure

@Voss, Since you asked, here's the list:

Oh gawd no. Explosive ammo is already way overpowered. IMO, that would only make balancing issues worse in the game. As it is, not everyone wants to use it because of the associated costs and limited amount. I actually wished they did away with explosive ammo entirely and tweaked the lethality of the other types as needed. ......but at least this way the relatively few folks who have it aren't running around with hundreds of rounds of this stuff. .....IMO.

I have to throw my hat in this ring, namesake alone. First off, I’m a real life shotgun enthusiast and building my own too. It’s a real man’s gun, no boy with undeveloped shoulders can shoot or handle the violence of a 12 gauge. It is, the most violent weapons system. I’m also pretty handy dual wielding knives in real life. Online, I carry three shotguns and a shortened Schofield revolver. The pump action came free, day zero of RDO. That one is slung on my back. The semi auto is slung on my shoulder. The sawed off is on my off hand. All Rosewood. All blackened steel, some gold, especially my knife. I’m always in the pursuit of power. Brute force is the answer. My slippery bastard of an outlaw is built for the short game. Anyone who tries to grief me soon learns they crossed the wrong rattlesnake. Jim Miller is the Outlaw that walks in my dreams, with a violent gust of the pirate wind. Everybody’s a tough guy, until they meet one.

Yup... what they described would try to do to tag pvp aggressors... versus what they did... is disconnected. They should NOT be charging people who are on the defending side of a fight or listing them for bounty. It just incents no-investment low levels to screw with people for an hour or so, then log out for the night (or the next week, or forever). The game has pretty good mechanics about knowing if you as a player or posse initiated aggression... even if you shoot PAST an enemy and don’t hit them. It has what they need for data fields and frameworks to figure this out. They need to fix this. I am less concerned about people trying to stop missions. (Yes, it does seem much more frequent after the patch). But I consider that part of the game. I may have to posse up to do some of the missions, now. I am much, much more concerned about penalties a player or posse gets for simply repelling aggression.

Well... back up to $11.. But I ain't go no money. lol Jokes on you R*…

Lol now I feel like a giant numpty lmao thanks guys

I had two incidents last weekend..I had my Michael Douglas falling down moment. First rode into tumbleweed three people at the butcher's, everyone seems ok....bang dead. Two snipers on flat roof opposite. The 5 players who now it became clear were working together systematically then griefers every player and npc for ages. As I rode away, I thought I ain't going to take it this time. Got up on a hill and sniped the 2 on the roof, 3 times. The other 3 charged up the trail to me and I fire bottled and shotgunned them. All 5 rage quit. I'm LVL 27 and not very good btw. Second was two players camping in my camp for over an hour. It was a war or attrition which I was not too going to back down on. One got so drunk on my calls beer he fell over and I managed to drop a fire bottle on him without flagging PvP. Ended up dropping the flag, killing both and moved on. Messaged them to say i had recorded their activity and had reported them for griefing. One responded, Good luck my dad is Bill GATES! I replied would he go on the record for my blog to say he encouraged his son to grief as it would make me a fortune. I got a fu back. Lol

Thanks guys for the replies, this happened 2 days ago and it's still bugging me. I'm level 50 and have been shot in the most ridiculous circumstances by griefers. Dismounting at the butcher in Rhodes with my stag shot from the bank rooftop, trying to enter the gunsmith in Blackwater shot and killed for no reason etc etc etc I accept that, its part of the game. I didn't get the sickos name either it didn't come up because it was my horse he shot not me or I was too stunned and confused to notice. I accept being shot by griefers but this just left a nasty taste, it was planned and executed in a truly nasty cruel way. What kind of people are there in this world? The game should be fun and not making you question what kind of freaks are out there. Maybe I'm naive but I have never, ever shot anyone (in particular their horse) for no reason. Even when I take out a griefer I leave their horse alone, this incident was just cruel and sick. The fact he didn't shoot me speaks volumes, what a psycho, I wonder if it was because I'm female, if so that makes it even worse.