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Had to start a new game twice now just trying to learn the controls and everything seems to be a very over-complicated mess. The original Red Dead games were fun and this? It just seems like too much. I just cant get the hang of it. Feel very disappointed about it, regret even buying the damned game.  There doesn't seems to be as much open exploration, and the amount a crap items and the economy and trying to juggle all this garbage seems over tedious. Anyone else feel this way?

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I love it. I don't think the maintenance of yourself and your things take that much time. I think it's great that you have to work for what you get. 

The controls were a bit much to start with but I've got the hang of it pretty well now. 

Some also complain that there's no fast travel (both ways at least) but I love riding through the landscape. So much is going on and I think you'd miss so much if you chose to fast travel. I will certainly not use it (very much) when it unlocks. 

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53 minutes ago, Mafisen said:

I love it. I don't think the maintenance of yourself and your things take that much time. I think it's great that you have to work for what you get. 

The controls were a bit much to start with but I've got the hang of it pretty well now. 

Some also complain that there's no fast travel (both ways at least) but I love riding through the landscape. So much is going on and I think you'd miss so much if you chose to fast travel. I will certainly not use it (very much) when it unlocks. 

Personally, I think the Red Dead series needed to make progression, and this is why I think Rockstar added all of these features into the game. I think Rockstar really wanted to push this game to be more advanced for players because as a gaming community, we all want innovation and new ways to play. If developers keep on releasing the same exact simple thing, it would get boring very fast. This system is awesome because it makes you concentrate on many things at once, not just one simple thing, which I love about the game considering I love to actively do stuff and multitask. 

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Red Dead Revolver and Red Dead Redemption wasn't the same.  So RDR and RDR2 aren't the same.  All similar enough for me to want to continue the story.  I personally feel like there is a lot of free roam.   I do hate that there is no fast travel.  Nothing like trying to clear a portion of the map and start doing a task that sends you all the way to the other side of the map, only to have to travel all the back to where you started each time.   The game isn't perfect, but the problems I have encountered have been small inconveniences nothing I can't live with.  Now the online stuff will be out in a few weeks and then the real headaches begin.  The cheaters will start cheating and doing all that they can to ruin the fun of all. 

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6 hours ago, Sportty said:

There doesn't seems to be as much open exploration

Get farther in the game, it becomes completely open world. Just be patient.

What controls are you struggling with?

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The controls did seem a bit complicated at first but I got used to them after a few hours. The game basically tells you what  buttons to press in the bottom right hand corner. 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'crap items'. I'm going to need you to elaborate a bit more for me to understand where you are coming from with that one. 

1 hour ago, YodaMan 3D said:

I do hate that there is no fast travel.

I wish there was a fast travel option to get you back to your camp. Sometimes I just want to pop back to camp to change clothes, eat and grab a coffee before heading back out again, without having to trek halfway across the map to get there. 

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1 hour ago, debbo89 said:

I wish there was a fast travel option to get you back to your camp. Sometimes I just want to pop back to camp to change clothes, eat and grab a coffee before heading back out again, without having to trek halfway across the map to get there. 

But you can change clothes at any of the local hotels for a buck which you're usually not far from one.  You can also brew your own coffee, cook and eat whenever.

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10 hours ago, Sportty said:

Had to start a new game twice now just trying to learn the controls and everything seems to be a very over-complicated mess. The original Red Dead games were fun and this? It just seems like too much. I just cant get the hang of it. Feel very disappointed about it, regret even buying the damned game.  There doesn't seems to be as much open exploration, and the amount a crap items and the economy and trying to juggle all this garbage seems over tedious. Anyone else feel this way?

Rockstar does not hold your hand that much in this game....the game controls in RDR2 are much more advanced than the first red dead, it can be frustrating at times when playing this game for the first time? But when you get a handle of the game mechanics you will enjoy this master piece like me and many others are having😁

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10 hours ago, Sportty said:

Had to start a new game twice now just trying to learn the controls and everything seems to be a very over-complicated mess. The original Red Dead games were fun and this? It just seems like too much. I just cant get the hang of it. Feel very disappointed about it, regret even buying the damned game.  There doesn't seems to be as much open exploration, and the amount a crap items and the economy and trying to juggle all this garbage seems over tedious. Anyone else feel this way?

As mentioned, the first two games were not the same and RDR2 is simply an evolution of RDR1.  

What it essentially boils down to is that the devs added more depth to the mechanics, UI, AI, etc.  ....and it's all the better for it IMO.  The controls are similar to RDR1 and also GTAV.  I'm not sure what you are struggling with but if you give us some specifics, we would be more than happy to help.

Not enough open exploration?  How far have you progressed in the game?  Believe me....  The game opens way up at around Chapter II IIRC.  The whole game world is open to you and there are a ton of side missions, random events, activities, etc. Some you unlock along the way.

Crap items?  Like what exactly?  The economy is pretty simple and as you progress, new opportunities present themselves to you as new ways to make money.  ....bounties, pelts, meat from game, fishing, herbs, stealing wagons, horses, robbing trains, holding up stage coaches, gang camps / hideouts, robbing houses, etc.  As you progress, fences begin to become available where you can sell stolen goods and valuable items.  A stable that will give you top dollar for stolen horses, etc., etc.  You choose what you prefer.

I can understand some disagreeing about some of the aspects of the game like controls and such (everyone is different), but to say the RDR2 doesn't have as much open exploration as RDR1 is flat out wrong.  RDR2 is bigger and has more going on in it's game world than RDR1 ever did.

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1 hour ago, dropkickennedy said:

But you can change clothes at any of the local hotels for a buck which you're usually not far from one.  You can also brew your own coffee, cook and eat whenever.

Yup....  You can also save outfits to your horse (up to four IIRC) so you can switch them out on the go.

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52 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:
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Have you upgraded the camp?  Arthur unlocks fast travel from the camp eventually via map.  Granted, it's not ideal when you have to make the return trip, but it's better than nothing.

 

To me that is the problem.  I start something it leads me half across the map.  Then I have to return back to the beginning to start the next thing.  It is kind of a pain not to be able to fast travel to certain locations once unlocked.  Which I get why they do it, so you have chances at other missions or encounters, but kills the buzz traveling back to the beginning every time.

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6 minutes ago, YodaMan 3D said:

To me that is the problem.  I start something it leads me half across the map.  Then I have to return back to the beginning to start the next thing.  It is kind of a pain not to be able to fast travel to certain locations once unlocked.  Which I get why they do it, so you have chances at other missions or encounters, but kills the buzz traveling back to the beginning every time.

It sounds like you are just trying to blow through the game. I get it if your just banging out the story missions, but there is a ton to do and explore between missions. I mean, that's the beauty of this game. The side activities, challenges, etc almost feel like a nice departure from the main quest. Plus the camp is never too far from any rail road or stage coach.

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1 hour ago, YodaMan 3D said:

To me that is the problem.  I start something it leads me half across the map.  Then I have to return back to the beginning to start the next thing.  It is kind of a pain not to be able to fast travel to certain locations once unlocked.  Which I get why they do it, so you have chances at other missions or encounters, but kills the buzz traveling back to the beginning every time.

It's not that big of deal IMO.  Most times, the missions are not that far from the main camp but even so there are sometimes other options when they are.  ....stagecoaches and trains for example.  

Personally, when out and about I take that opportunity to visit fences to unload goods, buy new weapons, do side activities / missions that may be available, get a haircut, etc.

I like way R* has immersed me into the game world this way.

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Im just not getting it. And I feel it sucks. let me give you an example. I found a Mexican shooting bottles and he wanted a competition, so I joined in and grabbed my rifle. While shooting the bottles I went to reload and the reload button made me punch him so he started shooting me. I reload the last save and return to the area and he's not there. So I reload the save again and go into the shooting competition and I DONT HAVE A RIFLE ANYMORE!  WTH? The save system sucks. The crafting system is over-complicated. I went to kill the legendary bear and I couldn't get anything from it but the skin.... and as I left there was a woman trapped under a horse that needed help so I dumped the skin and helped her, only to find ….. NEVER ****IN MIND. This game sucks.

 

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7 minutes ago, Sportty said:

Im just not getting it. And I feel it sucks. let me give you an example. I found a Mexican shooting bottles and he wanted a competition, so I joined in and grabbed my rifle. While shooting the bottles I went to reload and the reload button made me punch him so he started shooting me. I reload the last save and return to the area and he's not there. So I reload the save again and go into the shooting competition and I DONT HAVE A RIFLE ANYMORE!  WTH? The save system sucks. The crafting system is over-complicated. I went to kill the legendary bear and I couldn't get anything from it but the skin.... and as I left there was a woman trapped under a horse that needed help so I dumped the skin and helped her, only to find ….. NEVER ****IN MIND. This game sucks.

 

1)  The reload button is also the melee button. If you're close to someone and push that button, you will knock them with the butt of the weapon, etc.  Lesson learned, move on.  These are repeatable, randomized events and not the end of the world.  I had to kill the same guy because I didn't realize I didn't have the money to pay him when I lost.  ......c 'est la vie.  Could also be tied to your settings for auto aim / locking on.  I have my sensitivities set really low personally as I hated the way it would pull me toward targets that I didn't want to engage.

2) The rifle is on your horse. You need to grab it before you start any of these types of activities.  You'll see what is equipped on you when you're on foot.  I always equip the weapons I want before getting off and then make sure they appear on my back before I engage. 

3) The crafting system isn't overly complicated depending on what you're trying to craft but then again, it isn't required or necessary either.  You can essentially play the whole game without crafting anything if you want to.  I don't craft things except for certain types of ammo and that's really simple.

4) What else did you want from the bear?  I think I got a claw and the skin.  Check your inventory but either way, the skin is the main point.

5) So since you won't elaborate on the downed girl encounter, I'm guessing you dropped the bear skin and it disappeared when you decided to help the woman get to wherever she needed to go?  I would have chose the skin over the woman but either way, all legendary animal skins will automatically go to the Trapper if you lose track of them.  Check with your local Trapper.

Sounds like you're insistent on believing the game is crap regardless.  ......and quite frankly, I don't see the experience changing for you anytime soon with that sort of focus. 

Again, if you're struggling with a part of the game there are plenty of folks here willing to help.  .....but if you're simply looking to express your dissatisfaction with it, that's fine too but I just wouldn't expect and overwhelming acceptance from others here in regard to your opinion.  I guess my advice at this point would be don't try to force a square peg in a round hole if you sincerely don't like the game regardless of your reasons.  It's not worth the frustration.

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I agree with the others it’s your decision making that’s making things worse really 

The controls can be overwhelming at first but you get used to it and as for meleeing someone instead of reloading ? Then that’s your fault for standing too close to the NPC

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On ‎11‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 1:12 PM, dropkickennedy said:

It sounds like you are just trying to blow through the game. I get it if your just banging out the story missions, but there is a ton to do and explore between missions. I mean, that's the beauty of this game. The side activities, challenges, etc almost feel like a nice departure from the main quest. Plus the camp is never too far from any rail road or stage coach.

I don't think you do get it.  I am just the kind of person who likes to clear all the missions, side missions, find the hidden gems in each area so that I experience everything before I move onto the next task at hand.  Instead in this game I find myself starting something, traveling all the way across the map to complete that task and then have to travel all the way back to do the next task.  Like the Lord of the Rings novels, I spend more time traveling then enjoying the story.  I don't mind taking it slow, but when that time is on horse back traveling the same road I traveled already 1 million times. 

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On ‎11‎/‎9‎/‎2018 at 2:47 PM, Kean_1 said:

It's not that big of deal IMO.  Most times, the missions are not that far from the main camp but even so there are sometimes other options when they are.  ....stagecoaches and trains for example.  

Personally, when out and about I take that opportunity to visit fences to unload goods, buy new weapons, do side activities / missions that may be available, get a haircut, etc.

I like way R* has immersed me into the game world this way.

To me it is an issue on some tasks, just yesterday I had done 2 task both lead me to the middle of nowhere.  Spent more time traveling that dealing with the task.  Trains and stage coaches and the side missions are fine, but I had task that I set out for myself and it was a buzz kill. 

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2 hours ago, YodaMan 3D said:

Instead in this game I find myself starting something, traveling all the way across the map to complete that task and then have to travel all the way back to do the next task.  Like the Lord of the Rings novels, I spend more time traveling then enjoying the story. 

I get it.  It's the main reason I'm still in Chapter 2.  I'll get a quest and start cutting cross-country (instead of sticking to roads), and suddenly, I"ve stumbled across an O'Driscoll hideout, or entered a Legendary Animal hunting ground, and the next ten to twenty minutes are gone in a blink--then I have to remember what I was working on like some sort of stoned out hippie.

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2 hours ago, YodaMan 3D said:

that time is on horse back traveling the same road I traveled already 1 million times.

Use the fast travel options... I finally realized how helpful they are this weekend, and I really wish I had been using them the whole time. Your horse comes with you, and it takes like 30 seconds to get across the map. Just keep in mind any animals on your hose will be lost (hides will stay though).

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