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The Varmint Rifle needs a range nerf.


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This gun has the incredible rate of fire but also has really good range. This makes most repeaters/rifles obsolete except when playing at maximum range before you are unable to lock on.

 

I believe the meta should be:

 

short range - pistols/shotguns/varmint

 

medium range - repeaters

 

long range - rifles 

 

The VR has a place in the game but currently it is too good and makes it so theirs no reason to buy most of the other guns in the game.

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It's good because all head shots are one shot kill.

If you nerf the range, though, it's gonna hamper its primary function of bird hunting, so I don't want that.

If they have to balance it then I'd prefer two head shot kill rather than range reduction.

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A varmint rifle is a long range small caliber rifle. 

Right now I am finishing up a Winchester 1894 made in 1915. Its caliber is 25-35, a smaller .257 bullet that will out range all of its big brothers.

30WCF (or 30-30 Marlin as its called today), 32 Special, 35 Rem, and 38-55. As the bullet diameter gets bigger, the range shortens.

The 25-35 will do 200 yards easy, where the 38-55 will do barely 75 yards. The 38-55 will know a deer or bear down easy, where the 25-35 is for smaller sized critters life yotes on down to rabbits. 

Using your chart above, varmint should be extreme long range. 

Funny the term varmint load or rifle was not coined until the 1930. So much for history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varmint_rifle

I think one of these calibers existed in our time period. 

*note1 See the might .223 listed as a varmint round, same one in the dreaded AR15. Now you know how hyped this really is.

*note2 I will make a post that has what I think of each of the firearms in the game.

I will be carrying a pair of peace makers (45 colt) a Sharps Buffalo, which should out shoot every rifle listed, and a 22 for small game in the saddle scabbard. 

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I have to revisit this range thing. This bugged me all day. 

Let me put these in real life yardage.

Pistols: point blank to 21 feet.

Shotguns: Being there are scatter guns, and hunting ones. Point blank to 25 yards

RIfles: 

This is not going to be fun. Opening a can of worms:

Carcano M91/38: 80 yards on a good day.

Henry 1860: 50 yards from a .44 rimfire black powder pistol cartridge.

Krag-Jørgensen Model 1896: 400 yards (Replaced by the 30-06 4 years later)

Krag-Jørgensen Model 1889 Artillery Carbine: 300 yards or less.

Remington Rolling Block Sporting Rifle: 600 yards (One of my early choices)

Sharps 1874 Buffalo - .45-70 caliber 900-1000 yards (my end of game choice) 

Spencer 1860 Carbine: Another civil war relic 80 yards

1873 Springfield Trapdoor Rifle: The Spirit Gun is what the Indians called them. 600 yards

Winchester Model 1866 "Yellow Boy": More pistol black powder 50 yards

Winchester Model 1890: What Mark McCain used in the rifleman (Lukus's Son) 50 yards, and no you cant shoot birds out of the sky like in RDD2.

 

Sadly what is missing from this brood are:

1894 Winchester in 30WCF, It out classes all  the other pistol caliber repeater, being it was the first rifle cartridge ever made.

1895 Marlin Big Bore Lever in 45/70.  For which I own and is my favorite rifle.

1889 Marlin Tip Up. Now called the buffalo Classic. I have one of these that I shoot paper patched boolits out of just like Quigley.

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21 hours ago, Poggy said:

If you nerf the range, though, it's gonna hamper its primary function of bird hunting, so I don't want that.

Soon as I started reading the title this is immediately what I thought. I love bird hunting and this is one of my favorite weapons to use in general. I don't want to see it be changed.

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18 hours ago, SNAK3S said:

Soon as I started reading the title this is immediately what I thought. I love bird hunting and this is one of my favorite weapons to use in general. I don't want to see it be changed.

Ever try to hit a flying bird at 200 yds with a .22? There's a reason the shotgun was invented

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This would be the absolute incorrect way to nerf this rifle.  It's reticle shrink should not be as fast and should be changed so that it isn't used in pvp as much. Or make a pvp headshot take two shots.  These are much better options rather than nerfing it's range.  

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On ‎12‎/‎8‎/‎2018 at 4:41 PM, Hammer said:

Ever try to hit a flying bird at 200 yds with a .22? There's a reason the shotgun was invented

Ever try to hit a flying bird at 200 yds with a shotgun?  There's a reason your feet were invented.  Get closer!!!

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Hunting is my favorite things to do. I don't want the never ending nerf than buffing to mess up how the weapons work against animals.

The Varmint rifle is used for small game and birds. If they reduce the range, how will I kill birds flying in the sky without damaging the carcass?

The PVP is a joke in this game anyway. I would rather have PVE lobbies and leave the guns alone.

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Varmint really needs nerf in pvp. Its really obsolete to buy any other weapons rn. Especially in deathmatches - like 70% kills are from varmint rifles. Its range allows you to headshot someone who you don´t even see through mist for instance. 

Either nerf that range in pvp or just reduce headshot dmg. 

Varmint is meant to be hunting weapon. Right now it seems to be the best pvp weapon too. 

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It is best medium range weapon in PvP for sure.  I use it all the time for medium kills.  Long range bolt action is better.  Close up then shotty is king.  Sawn off, varmint, bolt is favoured loadout.

I expect they'll nerf the varmint at some point, in which case people will probably just switch to lancaster.

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On 12/7/2018 at 4:34 PM, Stackcluster said:

yeah it's always fun to get killed from a varmin riffle in pvp ...

(/sarcasm)

 

:D

Well you need a headshot for one shot one kill, but in my experience in close combat a shotgun is more effective for this. Varmint rifles has quick loading times, which make them usefull to aim on heads from a midrange distance.

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On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2018 at 2:14 PM, sykout said:

Ever try to hit a flying bird at 200 yds with a shotgun?  There's a reason your feet were invented.  Get closer!!!

You don't have to with the Varmint rifle, you can take them down all day long. Try that in real life!

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