Red Dead Online - Indians DLC

[DylBandit]

Hey guys.

So I've been thinking about this for a while, and I was wondering what you guys would think about an Indians DLC? I really think this would add some variety into the game. This is just a cool idea I've been fantasizing about. 

The Idea:

Imagine a DLC where it's all about Indians. Maybe we can have some story missions with this particular DLC along with awesome outfits, Tipis,  Indian themed horses and face paint. In the story mode of Red Dead Redemption 2, there was a small segment of Indians but it didn't get much involved to much, which was kind of a bummer. I really think this could give Red Dead Online a nice touch and a little bit of variety. 

The DLC should include:

• Tipi's
• Indian Outfits and Accessories
• Spears
• Native American Themed Horses
• Face Paint
• Story Missions

Let me know what you guys think about a Indians DLC coming to Red Dead Online. 

[Miltonastic]

First Nations people from this era were in the middle of genocide being committed against them by governments. There's no fun way to depict that. Best drop it ...

[Moosh89]

While I don't think there was any ill intent from the OP, I can't help but agree that this could be exploited in poor taste. Maybe customizations can be off the table but open up some honorable missions like helping Wapiti or gathering herbs/hunting and fishing could be cool

[Darkvicar]

And amuricans can steal their land, take their food sources and commit genocide again? 

[The_Liquor]

it could be done in a way that is all in good fun... but yeah. People these days will always find ways to turn it into a big racist conspiracy because everyone takes everything too seriously and has to find a way to find he worst in everything.

[DylBandit]

6 hours ago, Miltonastic said:

First Nations people from this era were in the middle of genocide being committed against them by governments. There's no fun way to depict that. Best drop it ...

You may be correct on the historical part, but again, Red Dead Online is a fictional video game mode, this isn't history class my friend. I really think adding Indians into the mix would be an awesome idea. They can do it in a way where it's not racist, and literally free of choice if you would want to be Indian or not. Indians were already added into the game via Story Mode, so they could possibly add it to Red Dead Online in a way that's not so offensive or disrespectful. Indians fought for their lives, and I'm pretty sure Red Dead Redemption 2 isn't about slaying Indians and taking their land, and most of if not ALL of the story in Red Dead Redemption 2 is fictional and a made up story. I'm not saying add Indians to the story, but they can add fun missions to play and earn cool gear as they were part of this time period and fought for what they believed in. Not sure how this would be a disrespectful act, more like honor if anything. Even though adding Indians would have NOTHING to do with them being destroyed, but adding them into the game as a part of the era and that anyone who chooses to support the Indian tribe as one if they wish, could do so. 

5 hours ago, Moosh89 said:

While I don't think there was any ill intent from the OP, I can't help but agree that this could be exploited in poor taste. Maybe customizations can be off the table but open up some honorable missions like helping Wapiti or gathering herbs/hunting and fishing could be cool

Poor taste? Adding Indians adds variety of the game. Indians of this time period may of been getting destroyed, but that doesn't mean the entire game is based off of real life and pure non-fiction events. Indians fought for what they believed in, and I think it would be nice to add them into the game as a variety of style in character. 

3 hours ago, Darkvicar said:

And amuricans can steal their land, take their food sources and commit genocide again? 

Red Dead Online is fictional and suppose to be fun for all players to meet online and have fun. This isn't based off of a real story, Red Dead Online is for everyone and all players. Indians were apart of this era big time, and they fought for their lives. I really think they deserved to be honored somewhat even though the governments were trying to destroy them. I personally love Indian culture, and I think it would be a great idea to add them into Red Dead Online for those who may want to honor them, not totally forget about their presence. 

[Moosh89]

2 hours ago, DylBandit said:

Poor taste? Adding Indians adds variety of the game. Indians of this time period may of been getting destroyed, but that doesn't mean the entire game is based off of real life and pure non-fiction events. Indians fought for what they believed in, and I think it would be nice to add them into the game as a variety of style in character. 

By that, I meant those who would exploit the additions such as depicting genocide on players dressed in traditional looking cosmetics in which that act itself would be poor taste, definitely not "adding it would be poor taste"

As a person with an indigenous background (I have full Metis status in my province, my maternal grandmother was full treaty) I appreciate what Rockstar did with the Natives in the singleplayer story, where they did not gloss over the terrible things that happened as depicted in stories of Fort Riggs without actually showing it, and the fact that you could not access weapons while on the Wapiti reservation.

I still think that adding high honor only missions where you can go hunting, fishing or herb gathering for the Natives would be cool, or even fighting off attackers from attacking the reservation.

As much as I think that having war paint on your face or your horse would be cool, I'm just as cool if its not there.

[James Hickok_1837]

12 hours ago, Miltonastic said:

First Nations people from this era were in the middle of genocide being committed against them by governments. There's no fun way to depict that. Best drop it ...

I like the idea of this but yes i share Your opinion on that very delicate matter. That is why there are no native american NPC's i suppose. 

[N7Creed]

I believe it could be done in a respectful manner. After all there are already Indian face types in the character creator. So adding more Indian themed items/accessories would be in keeping with the game as-is. There is also a Native Indian Only Posse already up and running who only accept Indian characters.

[The_Liquor]

In my opinion, not including any Native American content based on it being a somewhat touchy subject due to the history of the time period makes about as much sense as not including any content for black people due to the atrocious state of civil rights during the post war era. Or not including any oriental content due to the state of affairs with the whole Chinese exclusion act. Maybe we should avoid content centred on female characters because let’s face it, women Didn’t have things so good at this point in history...

The reality is a lot of nasty things were going on during this period of history in the new world. If we were to avoid every potentially touchy subject for fear of potentially touching off a nerve, we are going to end up with a pretty whitewashed game, which I really doubt anyone actually wants.

[Kean_1]

12 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

In my opinion, not including any Native American content based on it being a somewhat touchy subject due to the history of the time period makes about as much sense as not including any content for black people due to the atrocious state of civil rights during the post war era.....

I was thinking the same thing....

[Foxtrot]

I'm pretty sure that R* are capable of being respectful in terms of providing native American content.

I'm less certain that a shameful minority of online players wouldn't get overly "realistic" in their abuse of anyone using that content online.

Then again, that shameful minority will find other ways of abusing other players.

[Darkvicar]

R* I think handled it well in story mode. If they could recreate that, I would whole heartedly encourage it. But the elephant in the room is that they have completely removed all such content from online. That says to me one of several  options. I'm playing devil's advocate to an extent.

They didn't want to fall foul of PC brigade. 

They are working on something already.

They didn't want to highlight the atrocities carried out to a wider, less educated audience. 

They simply know their customers  , most of who are pretty shitty a la GTO.

 

[N7Creed]

1 hour ago, Darkvicar said:

They simply know their customers  , most of who are pretty shitty a la GTO.

 

This is the option I'd go with (I'm a pessimist)... But I hope they already have something in the works. 

[DylBandit]

I love Indian culture, and I really think R* can add this into the game without making angry faces. The only people who WOULD be disrespectful is the players THEMSELVES. But, lets just be honest here, not everyone is respectful even if there is Indians or not, people would murder feminists protesters and throw them into the swamps for the alligators to eat, so no matter what you do, there will always be "that person". 

Not everyone is a good cookie in Red Dead Online, as I'm sure most of you are aware. I think adding Indians would benefit those who love the culture, and be something different rather than a cowboy, it always leads to the possibility of new weapons, clothes, face paint, horse accessories and so much more. 

Just thought an Indians DLC would be awesome to add into the game of "FREE ROAM" without R* adding a back story that would come out disrespectful, more so that the player can decide and get what they want out of the game. More of a "free of choice" approach rather than "repeating history" approach if this makes sense. 

[Moosh89]

16 minutes ago, DylBandit said:

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Just thought an Indians DLC would be awesome to add into the game of "FREE ROAM" without R* adding a back story that would come out disrespectful, more so that the player can decide and get what they want out of the game. More of a "free of choice" approach rather than "repeating history" approach if this makes sense. 

I get what you mean. There is tons of potential to have things tastefully done in a respectable way, and I don't think anybody is worried that Rockstar would foul it (as pointed out by their perfect execution of calling attention to it in the story without showing it) but unfortunately there's a portion of the playerbase that will abuse it like they have other minorities and the suffragettes already available in the game. 

If they add things Indigenous themed items and cosmetics, I'd probably purchase them, but that fear of seeing it exploited by certain players is still very much there, so on the other hand, I'll be fine if they don't bother adding it. I really would love some high honour stranger missions from Wapiti though, like I said earlier.

I can see you're passionate about the culture (it really is a beautiful thing and not all the "savagery" that early western depictions portrayed) so you might be interested in this new game in development called "This Land is My Land". It focuses on the "other side" (Indigenous lifestyle) as the white people moved in. They just released their newest trailer a week ago:

 

Gameplay:

Website: https://www.thislandmyland.com/

[DylBandit]

3 minutes ago, Moosh89 said:

but unfortunately there's a portion of the playerbase that will abuse it like they have other minorities and the suffragettes already available in the game. 

If they add things Indigenous themed items and cosmetics, I'd probably purchase them, but that fear of seeing it exploited by certain players is still very much there, so on the other hand, I'll be fine if they don't bother adding it.

Fear no more, there is already people doing horrible and racist acts throughout the game, so let's not make the minority a road stopper for other players having fun. Honestly, they do these horrible acts for attention, and that's just asking for trouble. People use to fly airplanes into buildings in Grand Theft Auto to reenact 9/11. Do  you think they should've left out airplanes? NO, for those who didn't do those horrible acts, look how much fun other players had. Fighter jets, awesome way of transportation, sky diving... etc.

This is just a small example of why not to let the horrible minority take over what the MAJORITY would enjoy. 

[Kean_1]

I went ahead and deleted the last post from this thread. 

I think @DylBandit would agree that the topic is being blown way out of proportion by some and we certainly don't need this to steer into a political argument or politically aimed insults as that was never the intention.  There was nothing in the creation of this thread meant to insult American Indians / Native Americans.  .....quite the opposite actually.

[BropolloCreed79]

Came here for a discussion on Cleveland Indians content, leaving disappointed.

[Kean_1]

12 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Came here for a discussion on Cleveland Indians content, leaving disappointed.

[DylBandit]

13 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Came here for a discussion on Cleveland Indians content, leaving disappointed.

My Chicago Cubs already took care of Cleveland  

*psst... 3 win lead..*

 

 

 

Sorry I had to do it LOL 

[DylBandit]

2 hours ago, Kean_1 said:

I went ahead and deleted the last post from this thread. 

I think @DylBandit would agree that the topic is being blown way out of proportion by some and we certainly don't need this to steer into a political argument or politically aimed insults as that was never the intention.  There was nothing in the creation of this thread meant to insult American Indians / Native Americans.  .....quite the opposite actually.

On point @Kean_1

I might go ahead and scrap this post if I feel it can't be handled by the public and it gets out of control. I sometimes forget people make a bigger deal out of something than it really is. 

[BropolloCreed79]

1 hour ago, DylBandit said:

My Chicago Cubs already took care of Cleveland  

*psst... 3 win lead..*

 

I was at game 6.  Game 7 was so soul crushing, I had to double my alcohol intake for a month.

 

Sorry I had to do it LOL 

 

[N7Creed]

16 hours ago, Moosh89 said:

"This Land is My Land". It focuses on the "other side" (Indigenous lifestyle) as the white people moved in. They just released their newest trailer a week ago:

 

Gameplay:

Website: https://www.thislandmyland.com/

 

I saw this via an ad on youtube last week and it looks really interesting. I'll certainly be checking it out when it launches.