Downfall of Gaming

[gsamson24]

This video had me thinking hard about the current state of RDR2. Beautiful game but so many issues. I feel like he is spot on with a lot of this and you don't really notice it until you step back and realize how much gaming in general has changed. 

[xsugarskull]

I thought he meant the decline of gaming in general like people aren't playing as much. Seems to be the complete opposite. So many people play these days.

Interestingly enough, something he didn't touch on much (though I only skimmed the video) was about mobile gaming being the reason behind the shift we see today. Not the prime reason of course but a big enough one. 

Still though, mobile gaming is 70% female and console gaming is 80% male. Go figure.

[shiverz]

Gaming has changed and for better or worse, we are where we are. I still find plenty of enjoyment with games I buy so I am honestly not bothered.

[MadMatt]

1 hour ago, shiverz said:

Gaming has changed and for better or worse, we are where we are. I still find plenty of enjoyment with games I buy so I am honestly not bothered.

Same here. I have my complaints about certain games but I honestly wouldn't trade them to go back to how the graphics used to be. Everything looks and runs so much better today then back in the 90s and early 2000s.

[Vendetta]

21 hours ago, xsugarskull said:

I thought he meant the decline of gaming in general like people aren't playing as much. Seems to be the complete opposite. So many people play these days.

Interestingly enough, something he didn't touch on much (though I only skimmed the video) was about mobile gaming being the reason behind the shift we see today. Not the prime reason of course but a big enough one. 

Still though, mobile gaming is 70% female and console gaming is 80% male. Go figure.

I wonder why that is. Do think it is simply the fact the cell phones are so popular these's day's?

[Parzival]

2 hours ago, Vendetta said:

I wonder why that is. Do think it is simply the fact the cell phones are so popular these's day's?

It's because getting the phone out of a girl's hand usually requires a cutting torch.

[Mizz-Lucy]

Sony claimed the PS Vita's downfall was due to the Mobile gaming thing.

A phone fits neatly into your bag or pocket. If one is removed by a cutting torch we always have a back up hidden in our knickers. You couldn't hide a console though 🙃😛🤭

[Vendetta]

6 hours ago, Mizz-Lucy said:

Sony claimed the PS Vita's downfall was due to the Mobile gaming thing.

A phone fits neatly into your bag or pocket. If one is removed by a cutting torch we always have a back up hidden in our knickers. You couldn't hide a console though 🙃😛🤭

For me, I grew up gaming on consoles. I don't think I would be able to play Grand Theft Auto or a game like Red Dead Redemption on a cell phone and have the same experience. I'm glad mobile gaming is introducing so many people to a world of gaming!. 

[Kean_1]

Meh.....  Some of what he says has merit IMO but not all.    

As for growing up during the birth of the industry, he missed out on at least a decade of it.  Those of us 50+ who were into that sort of thing would understand.  I spent many a day in arcades playing pinball and some of the first video games.   ......then first the consoles and PCs as they began to become mainstream.  

The fact is, while I have fond memories of some games from the past, most simply can't compare to some of the titles from today in relation to complexity and quality.  Sure, some companies are becoming complacent and paying the price for it (e.g. Ubi with GR: Breakpoint).  .....but not all. 

IMO, there is nothing wrong with GaaS if done properly and R* sets a benchmark in this regard.  This is where I think he is completely wrong.  R* wasn't complacent in throttling back their release of new games.  They chose to spend years developing and refining their more recent titles and it shows.  The idea was to create great games (a solid foundation) and continue to grow them by releasing new, free content.  There's nothing lazy about it in this case and as much as some want to vilify MTXs, they are what keeps the content coming even for those that never buy into transactions.  I'm not saying there are not examples of badly executed MTX models out there.  .....there are plenty, but he paints things with a pretty broad brush.  When a game has great bones, I don't necessarily want that to change or have to wait for a sequel to get new content.  I'm ok with them building on that instead.

I could go on....... 

Seems his experiences have mostly been with consoles.  Those of us who had been PC gamers even since the early days can remember what it was like to deal with bugs, patches, etc.   .....but yeah, cartridge games were more reliable although quite simplistic back then.  Personally, while I don't condone devs releasing unfinished games, I do like that they have the ability to patch, update, deliver new content, etc. on modern consoles similar to how PCs have always been.  There is an advantage there.  

All in all, I don't think the state of gaming is as bad as he makes it out to be.

[Mizz-Lucy]

3 hours ago, Vendetta said:

For me, I grew up gaming on consoles. I don't think I would be able to play Grand Theft Auto or a game like Red Dead Redemption on a cell phone and have the same experience. I'm glad mobile gaming is introducing so many people to a world of gaming!. 

The Console and PC is still the best. Little puzzle games are fine on the phone.

Edit: Started playing Star Trek on the ipad over Christmas while everyone else was talking 😅

Edited December 29, 2019 by Mizz-Lucy

[SageNinja]

I watched this video a few days after he uploaded it, found it on my recommendations. I didn't finish it. He is right with some of this stuff but he seems a bit bitter. I can't imagine being a fan of gaming and being this disappointed in devs. 

He talked about it being harder to make games back then and it is easier now yet they still charge more.. This is hardly fair. Most games take longer and are more complex to make today. It takes an entire building of workers in some cases to develop one game. Releasing before it is "complete" is a way for them to test it and patch it. Again, another great option we have today that has made gaming better.

I grew up on consoles, started playing on PC in the late 90's. I have experienced both and gaming is in a good place right now, at least to me.

[Kean_1]

31 minutes ago, SageNinja said:

I watched this video a few days after he uploaded it, found it on my recommendations. I didn't finish it. He is right with some of this stuff but he seems a bit bitter. I can't imagine being a fan of gaming and being this disappointed in devs. 

He talked about it being harder to make games back then and it is easier now yet they still charge more.. This is hardly fair. Most games take longer and are more complex to make today. It takes an entire building of workers in some cases to develop one game. Releasing before it is "complete" is a way for them to test it and patch it. Again, another great option we have today that has made gaming better.

I grew up on consoles, started playing on PC in the late 90's. I have experienced both and gaming is in a good place right now, at least to me.

I admit I fast forwarded through much of the video but yeah, I agree.  

I can't get on board with the idea that it is "easier" to make games now.  Tech has changed and quite frankly, devs continue to push the boundaries of what is possible with the new consoles and PC hardware. 

Also, as far as charging more for titles these days, the fact is that game prices simply haven't risen that much compared to what they charged decades ago.  ....and agin, the idea that they are somehow "easier" to make now so they should be cheaper is baseless IMO.  Games back then were much more simplistic than they are now in many cases.  

I agree with you.

 

[Mizz-Lucy]

8 hours ago, SageNinja said:

I watched this video a few days after he uploaded it, found it on my recommendations. I didn't finish it. He is right with some of this stuff but he seems a bit bitter. I can't imagine being a fan of gaming and being this disappointed in devs. 

He talked about it being harder to make games back then and it is easier now yet they still charge more.. This is hardly fair. Most games take longer and are more complex to make today. It takes an entire building of workers in some cases to develop one game. Releasing before it is "complete" is a way for them to test it and patch it. Again, another great option we have today that has made gaming better.

I grew up on consoles, started playing on PC in the late 90's. I have experienced both and gaming is in a good place right now, at least to me.

We have a Computer and Console museum here: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/

They have on display an old E.T game for the Atari that the guy wrote like in a weekend. It was famous apparently and for being bad. But now games are like mini or not so mini movies aren't they.

[SaulGoodMan]

I started the video and had to stop it. The dude is too negative for me and I know it is coming from a personal perspective and his own opinions but based on what everyone else is saying in the thread, I think he is just being butthurt over the wrong stuff. lol

[xsugarskull]

On 12/28/2019 at 6:30 PM, Vendetta said:

I wonder why that is. Do think it is simply the fact the cell phones are so popular these's day's?

It is cheaper and more convenient for people to just play games on their phones I suppose. I am just not big on it myself, never have been. Only games I ever played on my phone was like trivia style games and draw something. I will play solitaire when I am waiting around for someone or waiting on something when I am out but yeah, that is it. 

[shiverz]

On 12/28/2019 at 6:11 PM, MadMatt said:

Same here. I have my complaints about certain games but I honestly wouldn't trade them to go back to how the graphics used to be. Everything looks and runs so much better today then back in the 90s and early 2000s.

I think a lot of the issues come down to people just expecting too much. I think we have become accustomed to expecting more from gaming and people in general so we, as people, have become prone to disappointments. 

[MadMatt]

4 hours ago, shiverz said:

I think a lot of the issues come down to people just expecting too much. I think we have become accustomed to expecting more from gaming and people in general so we, as people, have become prone to disappointments. 

Maybe but I don't think this is the case for everyone. It is more a less that people just don't like change. People complained in the 90's with gaming too, most of us here were just too young to know about it and the internet wasn't as popular then when it came to forums and socializing online. 

[SageNinja]

On 12/31/2019 at 5:33 AM, Mizz-Lucy said:

We have a Computer and Console museum here: http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/

They have on display an old E.T game for the Atari that the guy wrote like in a weekend. It was famous apparently and for being bad. But now games are like mini or not so mini movies aren't they.

Depending on the genre of game, yeah they tell amazing stories like movies used to (LOL). I just think anyone who is as mad as the guy in the video just didn't adjust well with the changes the gaming industry has gone through. 

[ragedhunter11]

In my experience, soon as anything goes mainstream, the quality behind the story and the emotion tends to drop. This is why music, movie, TVs, and even video games have a lot of duds and very few "classics". The entertainment industry as a whole is always changing so it is to be expected that people either change with it or get stuck sometimes. I for one have only seen maybe 5 movies in the last 10 years because nothing has really stood out to me. As for games, I don't have as much time these days so I really need to be interested to invest in one. 

[shiverz]

On 1/9/2020 at 12:06 AM, MadMatt said:

Maybe but I don't think this is the case for everyone. It is more a less that people just don't like change. People complained in the 90's with gaming too, most of us here were just too young to know about it and the internet wasn't as popular then when it came to forums and socializing online. 

True I guess. I mean I wasn't on forums or anything like that till like 2005 myself. I guess people just complained to people they knew and that was it.