Kean_1

yup, and a little observation on the big map can tell you a lot about the likely intention of other players.

....store, saloon or my favorite, the post office if I'm in town since you're protected. If I'm not out alone in the wild or in camp, that's where I do my inventory assessments, catalogue browsing, etc. I'm not going to bust someone's balls for taking a precaution by shooting a camper at a known griefing spot.

.....and I was merely saying what I do as a common courtesy to fellow non-griefers who want to get to the butcher to see their goods and to avoid being shot myself. IMO, if you're just loitering around the butcher trying to figure out your crap for 10 minutes, you're asking to be a target but then again, I'm also considering my fellow non-griefers too who may feel nervous that it's an ambush.

Then don't worry about it if the thread doesn't speak to you. ....easy peasy. The OP already made the discussion as PC as he could as most companies at least give the day(s) off to their employees as "holidays". Nollaig Chridheil Hoover!

.....why would you even be standing right next to a butcher to do that? If I'm going to be idle, I get out of the area, go to a post office, etc. for my own safety and the courtesy of others by showing I'm not a threat.

That's what I do. I vary activities. I tend to keep hunting for when I play solo but I also do that too with groups to change it up in our session

Yeah, I got kicked a couple times last night and also the night before. It's funny..... Never really used to happen to me until after the patch that was supposed to resolve it. We need to make sure to continue sending feedback to R* when stuff like this happens.

It's funny .... I'm on the opposite side of the spectrum and it took a while of doing dishonorable things last night to even get my bar to budge but then it would more easily move once it did.

What platform are you in (can't see all profile details on phone)? I'm over the half century mark myself and play with another friend my name age and typically others who are in their 30s-40s. If you're on PS4 and need some companionship, let me know. I am on the West coast of the US though (not sure where you are at) and I typically play evenings. btw, when playing solo, you really need to keep a close eye on other players. I try not to even get close enough to others where they will appear on my minimap. I will typically go to other butchers if I see randoms in a town. I will work on something else if I see players near an objective (e.g. treasure map, etc.). Of course, when you're with someone, it's easier and safer to take some risk.

.....on the other hand, we are talking about a game with an auto aim system so strong that it allows players to make incredible head shots with relative ease. ....with a .22 varmint rifle no less at a distance. No thanks, I'll take the advantage the ability cards provide. If they had a session that eliminated auto aim, I'd say yeah, a more lethal damage model would be great.

What misconceptions? The argument your making about the AR acronym was precisely the point that was brought up here. ......and then you're taking some of my remarks out of context. The reference to .357 / .38 cal. was regarding what I might have considered in a current production Winchester 73. Some other points..... When Winchester introduced the 44-40 it wasn't soley used in Winchester arms. It was in fact adopted by other manufacturers who made variants chambered in this caliber which included S&W (as I had already mentioned when I referred to the Schofield), Remington, Marlin and yes, even Colt (e.g. the Colt Frontier). Also, you're probably talking about the 1873 Springfield Trapdoor that used the 44-70 cartridge. I was talking about the Winchester Model 1873 that used the 44-40. See below for reference which also includes a bit about the original 66 design using the Henry rimfire cartridge like I said. https://www.gunsamerica.com/digest/shooting-history-winchester-1873-old-gun-review/ Also, the 44-40 used in the Winchester Model 1873 rifle (which was also a pistol caetridge) was in fact a centerfire cartridge (not rimfire). I don't mean to sound harsh but I want to make it clear that there were no misconceptions here on our end in what you tried to point out as being such.

Well done. Thanks for sharing.

Ahhh.... Guess I read it the wrong way, sorry. Yeah, Creed and I had that discussion about kids and when they're ready, etc. Although mine isn't, there are still basic safety rules I teach him if he does encounter any guns. .....stop, don't touch, leave the area immediately and tell an adult (preferably my wife or myself). As shooters/owners, we abide the same simple rules 1) Treat every gun as if it is loaded 2) Never point a gun at anything you're not willing to destroy 3) Keep your finger off the trigger until you're on target and ready to fire 4) Know your target and what is beyond. There are variations of the verbiage and even additional rules but those are typically the primary ones that you'll hear. You obviously should know how a particular weapon operates before handling it (e.g. so you know how to clear it), know the correct ammunition type to use (it might fit and even be the right caliber but not what is recommended for the weapon), use eye and ear protection, etc., etc. It's funny, I've been complimented before in a gun shop when I cleared a weapon the clerk handed to me even though he just checked it himself 10 seconds prior with me watching. I told him that I always treat every gun as loaded which means I'm going to check it myself regardless and then still treat it like it's loaded. .....first rule. With years of repetition I find these things to be second nature. I'm also find myself to be very attuned to what others are doing around me when they are handling guns at a range, in a shop, etc. Gun safety is the utmost importance and something I take very seriously. .....as should everyone.

Well, for one, my kid is too young at this point in his life to be handling guns but I wouldn't recommend anyone jumping fences, holstering or otherwise handling a weapon in a "ready to fire" state unless they are actually ready to shoot. That would go for several of the real life counterparts of the weapons repesented in this game that have no safety and are ready to shoot with just a pull of the trigger once (for example) the hammer is cocked back. You would be asking for a negligent discharge to happen. IMO, the "recocking" of most of these weapons makes sense to me. Howvere, rechambering a round each time in the "bolt action rifle", not so much but then again, I'm not familiar with the Krag's (the real life rifle's) safety features, quirks, etc. .....but beyond all this nonsense, it's just a game with a touch of historical accuracy, a dash a realism, some randomness and other features to make the game more immmersive. .....and I think they got it right for the most part to keep it still fun. ...btw, not too sure why you were asking me this question. I wasn't agreeing with the OP.

Yes. It sthe same for RDO and R* published a recent article in their Newswire about it here: https://www.rockstargames.com/newswire/article/60759/Game-Tips-Combat-Ability-Cards?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=rdobeta-combattips-12132018&utm_content=newswire

Yes. There was an additional amount gifted to folks as a thank you from R* including some extra cash ($100 this time around IIRC).

Same here......

You can still buy the cross draw holster that is normally locked (unless you're 40+ level) with gold. My friend bought one last night to confirm and that's how I got mine before the last patch as well.

I like how the lack of "realism" is brought up and then an argument for being able to "roll, snap and flick" to get headshots more easily.

Well, to be honest, mingling with "randoms" in a session whether that means trying to join open posses, matchmaking for missions or simply trying to meet them in the open world is a sure way to increase your chances exponentially to be griefed. .....that's for sure. Personally, in the rare instances I do interact with randoms (even in a friendly encounter) I will break off contact if they can't be bothered to use a mic. I'm not going to type out messages back and forth. Instead of thinking about ways people can grief me, I simply do my best to avoid them and that seems to work 99% of the time. Personally, I don't like griefers so I'm not going to do things that increase my chance of being exposed to them. As far as meeting folks, I started a posse here and we now have about 36 members. My PSN Community has 31 and is still growing. It's funny that even with all of those people it can still be difficult to get folks to join up in a session (most seem shy) but I do at least get a chance to team up with at least one online friend a couple times a week or more. If I'm playing solo, I won't deal with randoms but if I'm with a posse, I'm willing to take a few more risks. .....and I've met some good folks because of it. I guess I'd prefer not dwell on the bad aspects and would prefer to do what I can to make the best out of my online experiences. btw, my friend got sniped last night by a player that we had been keeping a close eye on. He seemed non threatening so we both let our guard down (bad move) and dallied too long in one spot. After the shot was fired he somehow disappeared from the area but then reappeared across the other side of the map. Instead of giving chase, we simply carried on with what we were doing. We still don't know how he traveled to Saint Denis like that but we simply let it go and carried on with what we were doing. We were interrupted for maybe 20 seconds and we were not going to let the brief encounter spoil our fun.

....and you thought I was joking around?

Yeah, no worries. btw, I think I mentioned it before but Ive shot my Dad's Winchester Model 94 (30-30) a few times in the past. Kinda cool shooting weapons like this that while newly manufactured are eseentially unchanged from their original form. Sort of a hands on peek back in history. I miss those desert trips. I need to go out shooting more.

btw, rcvd your msg Tye and accepted. Also sent you an invite to the Community. For some reason it won't come up on a search for some folks but it could just be a case of missing a space or similar.

....funny, I had noticed it raining in snowy regions but I guess I just never noticed if it snowed in RDO. I definitely did in the campaign though. As such, it shouldn't be a problem for them to add it to online.

The OP was here saying the same thing over a month ago and yet, here he is still. I played the hell out of the original RDR and to be perfectly honest, RDR2 felt like more of the same but simply improved. .......improved in many ways whether it's the physics, the animations, graphics, additional content, size, mechanics, etc. All of this contributes to the feeling of more depth in RDR2. When I started playing this game, it felt like a natural continuation of RDR to me. I have no idea what the OP is talking about. I also like RDO but then again, I also realize it's a beta and is currently a shell of what it will be. Folks like the OP don't want to hear constructive feedback or suggestions that may help his in-game experience. .....believe me, we've already tried. Folks like this will post their frustration disappear and then reappear a few day / weeks later to post the same thing. I have nothing against folks that don't like certain games. There are plenty I don't like myself. ......but then again, I don't keep revisiting fan forums to complain about them because I usually just move on. When there is nothing salvageable in a game like in the OPs case, it's probably time to cut your losses.