Do we need a rollback?

[DiscoHobbit666]

Hi,

     I read a lot of posts on here but rarely write any, but I have been enraged by the recent major glitches( Cougar & Fish  duplicating).That has been blighting us since the game came out of Beta. & Rockstar seems to have done nothing!! They can see by just looking on You Tube  , what players are doing to make fast money,by these exploits.

    IMO these exploits are ruining the game for hard working grinders like myself , who save up to buy nice items, only to hear & see that fellow players are making huge sums of money,some in  excess of $50,000  & buying everything they want. This will kill the integrity of the game, did Rockstar not learn anything from the GTA exploitations? 

Some Players are bragging that they are untraceable , as they are not a member of  Rockstar's Social Club & have already spent their ill gotten gains, Hence the need for a rollback as a deterrent. I don't mind losing a few thousand dollars I have made to make a stand against this cheating.

Rockstar need to act fast. We need an immediate rollback & if possible,  severe penalties for those that repeat this in the future.

What do you think?

[DNMNetTech]

8 minutes ago, DiscoHobbit666 said:

Hi,

     I read a lot of posts on here but rarely write any, but I have been enraged by the recent major glitches( Cougar & Fish  duplicating).That has been blighting us since the game came out of Beta. & Rockstar seems to have done nothing!! They can see by just looking on You Tube  , what players are doing to make fast money,by these exploits.

    IMO these exploits are ruining the game for hard working grinders like myself , who save up to buy nice items, only to hear & see that fellow players are making huge sums of money,some in  excess of $50,000  & buying everything they want. This will kill the integrity of the game, did Rockstar not learn anything from the GTA exploitations? 

Some Players are bragging that they are untraceable , as they are not a member of  Rockstar's Social Club & have already spent their ill gotten gains, Hence the need for a rollback as a deterrent. I don't mind losing a few thousand dollars I have made to make a stand against this cheating.

Rockstar need to act fast. We need an immediate rollback & if possible,  severe penalties for those that repeat this in the future.

What do you think?

I think Rockstar should fix the glitches. That being said, I will not let the cheaters impact my game. I will continue to grind to obtain the things I want in the game. Just because they cheat to get it doesn't impact my game. It isn't like they are getting a leg up on me by doing so. 

[DiscoHobbit666]

That is true, I too would like to see these glitches fixed & missions starting etc....but  to me it leaves a bad taste in my mouth.  these latest exploits are a lot worse than thedeer in the water while fishing( while in Beta) IMOPlayers will not see you as a hard worker with  nice items, just.... "yeah they are glitching to get it"....just the way it makes me feel. I understand your point of view, I'd still likely see a deterrent  as I've been playing from day 1 &  some of these players could of only started a month ago & apart from level requirements , they could potentially have a lot more items than me at level 188, so when they fast rack levels, as there is more XP & Gold on offer than in Beta. It is also far easier & more rewarding to do the awards than when I completed the easier ones like bird kills, butcher's animal parts etc...hence the level fast tracking  

To me  it makes a mockery of player's liike myself.

Also with loads of items to come out Rockstar need to lay the law down , that future exploits will also unfortunately suffer a Rollback.

Edited May 24, 2019 by DiscoHobbit666

[DNMNetTech]

The rest of us know how hard it was to get to lvl 188. I am only lvl 106 and know what a grind it was. Saving as much money and gold like a mizer until the past couple weeks. I now have a few of the things I was waiting for. The way gold and xp is going now, I may as well spend some money. Can't wait for more reasons to spend it. 

[Antonia]

i do not cheat cause one day R* may ban all those people. i don't want a ban. Hard earned gear and upgrades are more beautiful. You all know what i mean.

[Kean_1]

Right now, I just want them to fix the "CE" crashes I've been experiencing.....  Personally, unless someone is using exploits against me in the game, I don't really care one way or the other if they get punished.  As long as the glitches and exploits get fixed and the game works so I can play, I'm happy.  

[C20Dragon]

31 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

Right now, I just want them to fix the "CE" crashes I've been experiencing.....  Personally, unless someone is using exploits against me in the game, I don't really care one way or the other if they get punished.  As long as the glitches and exploits get fixed and the game works so I can play, I'm happy.  

I agree.  As long as it not a godmode glitch, that players can use against me. I don't care. Example that one in the beta that turned players invisible or players glitching into non accessible building shoot at you but you cannot shoot them.

For those that say R* isn't doing anything about it. I looked up on YT and I've seen there have be several money glitches that have been patched.  Since the new update came out. But it looks like it's extremely easy for the YT guys to figure out new ones. 

 I was wondering why I saw a bunch of players around the butcher like a rock concert, the past few days.

Edited May 24, 2019 by C20Dragon

[OGTKCole]

I refuse to allow "Cheaters" to rent space in my head. I play this game to have the type of fun I want to have. So the way they play the game doesnt matter to me.

[Saws n Sins]

Im ok with a rollback once they iron out money and xp glitches. However only if they refund your rollback with every single gold bar you've ever owned. 

[Dissention]

pretty much same mindset as mentioned above until I saw this tonight.   Kinda does get me angry since I'm getting like $40 and he's got over $200 on the ground.

But  I don't cheat as earning and accomplishment is what I want from this game.

Since the defensive mode update earning cash is easy uninterrupted farming except for the stray idiot who hits me and runs away before 30 seconds are up.   

Biggest thing is that last 5 years or so almost every game I've played has had hackers or God mods and some companies try to patch them, some do bans, some do nothing. 

Personally I wish they would ban them since they probably won't ever spend a $ on the game, but I figure they'll get bored eventually and move on.

Edited May 25, 2019 by Dissention

[HuDawg]

On ‎5‎/‎24‎/‎2019 at 8:48 AM, DiscoHobbit666 said:

Hi,

     I read a lot of posts on here but rarely write any, but I have been enraged by the recent major glitches( Cougar & Fish  duplicating).That has been blighting us since the game came out of Beta. & Rockstar seems to have done nothing!! They can see by just looking on You Tube  , what players are doing to make fast money,by these exploits.

    IMO these exploits are ruining the game for hard working grinders like myself , who save up to buy nice items, only to hear & see that fellow players are making huge sums of money,some in  excess of $50,000  & buying everything they want. This will kill the integrity of the game, did Rockstar not learn anything from the GTA exploitations? 

Some Players are bragging that they are untraceable , as they are not a member of  Rockstar's Social Club & have already spent their ill gotten gains, Hence the need for a rollback as a deterrent. I don't mind losing a few thousand dollars I have made to make a stand against this cheating.

Rockstar need to act fast. We need an immediate rollback & if possible,  severe penalties for those that repeat this in the future.

What do you think?

R* purposely throttles in game pay outs on missions based on time spent.    Far as I see it, people who exploit an already exploitive system are just balancing things out.

So no.. we don't need a roll back.  Nor do we need penalties.    You may not mind losing a few thousand dollars, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE should be punished including those who didn't participate in the duping/payouts.

Besides its only cheating if its pvp related.    Cheating money is only cheating against the system R* forced onto players.   R* needs to change things to be flat pay rates...not time spent.      Why the hell do players get less money for finishing missions too fast?  Instead players have to sit there with their thumbs up their ass for 15 mins to get full payouts.

 

[The_Liquor]

Personally I would not be happy with a rollback. Especially considering I’ve spent some gold on some things. I also don’t think waiting out a timer is a glitch in the same sense as duplicating carcasses. 

As for how the mission timers work, I’ve always thought it was backwards. It should pay out less the longer it takes you, and perhaps depending on the mission how much damage the canoe/rowboat/wagon or whatever took during your efforts.

[HuDawg]

1 hour ago, The_Liquor said:

As for how the mission timers work, I’ve always thought it was backwards. It should pay out less the longer it takes you, and perhaps depending on the mission how much damage the canoe/rowboat/wagon or whatever took during your efforts.

It should be a flat rate.  Be it 1 min or 20 mins.    The payout should be the same..

[The_Liquor]

2 minutes ago, HuDawg said:

It should be a flat rate.  Be it 1 min or 20 mins.    The payout should be the same..

Sure, that would still make more sense than having to wait. I was just thinking if they’re going to implement some kind of variation it makes more sense to penalize taking longer than doing things too fast. If the concern is certain missions are to easily completed and they’re worried about people spamming them, it could be taken care of in other ways, like maybe a cool down.

[HuDawg]

8 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

Sure, that would still make more sense than having to wait. I was just thinking if they’re going to implement some kind of variation it makes more sense to penalize taking longer than doing things too fast. If the concern is certain missions are to easily completed and they’re worried about people spamming them, it could be taken care of in other ways, like maybe a cool down.

How long something takes is subjective tho.   Players could have to deal with other players attacking them...

R* needs to stop punishing players for playing the game.    If people want to 'spam' the easy missions, I don't get how this is a problem.   Its already bad enough that you can't just play/host co-op missions or work for the same mission givers in free roam due to cool downs.

Either way.. Its that kind of BS that leads to players cheating the system for more in game money.

Edited May 25, 2019 by HuDawg

[The_Liquor]

Well, my thought process was along the lines of finishing a mission in the quickest time despite opposition indicates a level of skill worth a little extra reward. But I do see where you’re coming from. I’d personally be happy if I didn’t have to waste time (upwards of ten minutes in some missions) doing absolutely nothing just outside the yellow cloud.

[lumper]

On 5/24/2019 at 8:48 AM, DiscoHobbit666 said:

Hi,

     I read a lot of posts on here but rarely write any, but I have been enraged by the recent major glitches( Cougar & Fish  duplicating).That has been blighting us since the game came out of Beta. & Rockstar seems to have done nothing!! They can see by just looking on You Tube  , what players are doing to make fast money,by these exploits.

    IMO these exploits are ruining the game for hard working grinders like myself , who save up to buy nice items, only to hear & see that fellow players are making huge sums of money,some in  excess of $50,000  & buying everything they want. This will kill the integrity of the game, did Rockstar not learn anything from the GTA exploitations? 

Some Players are bragging that they are untraceable , as they are not a member of  Rockstar's Social Club & have already spent their ill gotten gains, Hence the need for a rollback as a deterrent. I don't mind losing a few thousand dollars I have made to make a stand against this cheating.

Rockstar need to act fast. We need an immediate rollback & if possible,  severe penalties for those that repeat this in the future.

What do you think?

Well think about it, new players cant get much because it is locked up behind xp, so all the money in the world wont help, and you need gold for stuff too, cash is good sure, but it isnt the end all be all, nobody has a huge advantage because they have a lot of cash, unless they are high level and if they are  high level they probably already have everything.

Ability cards, need xp, horses, guns, even some clothes, so I wouldnt let it bother you that much, It isnt going to put you at a disadvantage in anyway all it really does is save some people a little time since they dont need to grind it out, but again, lol if they are over level 75 they have already been grinding so the $$ probably isnt life changing.

I was able to grind it all out and by the time these glitches came out I realized I dont need any $$ not an amount I would bother to do one of these glitches to get  it.

If it were XP or Gold then yeah I would say that is bad for everyone and the game, but even R* isnt to worried about the cash, owning every outfit or horse isnt an advantage, and if they own every horse, they had to reach a certain xp to get them.

Just my opinion of course, I just hate to see anyone stressed out over the game, you cant change people and glitches will ALWAYS be present, these guys put out new glitches daily, so unless R* decides to do something about it, no point in stressing over it.

[lumper]

6 hours ago, HuDawg said:

R* purposely throttles in game pay outs on missions based on time spent.    Far as I see it, people who exploit an already exploitive system are just balancing things out.

So no.. we don't need a roll back.  Nor do we need penalties.    You may not mind losing a few thousand dollars, but that doesn't mean EVERYONE should be punished including those who didn't participate in the duping/payouts.

Besides its only cheating if its pvp related.    Cheating money is only cheating against the system R* forced onto players.   R* needs to change things to be flat pay rates...not time spent.      Why the hell do players get less money for finishing missions too fast?  Instead players have to sit there with their thumbs up their ass for 15 mins to get full payouts.

 

Actually they changed that, you no longer need to drag them out, in fact I think I just heard if you do you get less now, so I have been just doing them reg speed and not worrying about it and it is pretty lucrative especially with the gold multiplier for daily challenges, I am on day 12 of consecutive days of doing them and it is adding up quickly, I do 3 stranger missions and 2 story missions, a few random encounters and I have 6 gold, it seems to be coming in pretty steadily right now.

Edited May 25, 2019 by lumper

[lumper]

34 minutes ago, The_Liquor said:

Well, my thought process was along the lines of finishing a mission in the quickest time despite opposition indicates a level of skill worth a little extra reward. But I do see where you’re coming from. I’d personally be happy if I didn’t have to waste time (upwards of ten minutes in some missions) doing absolutely nothing just outside the yellow cloud.

I think, not sure but I think, the point of dragging it out was the longer it takes you the more players can interact with you and stop you, rushing it makes it so you have little chance of other players stopping you, whereas taking the full 14 minutes can lead to players messing with you to stop you.
I think anyway.

[HuDawg]

13 minutes ago, lumper said:

Actually they changed that, you no longer need to drag them out, in fact I think I just heard if you do you get less now, so I have been just doing them reg speed and not worrying about it 

Its still time based.   R* just giving a little bit extra gold.

Stranger enounters for example.  I did the exact same one twice last night.  Where I had to rescue someone and give him a ride.

1st time.. Did it really quick.  Killed everyone, untied him and gave him a ride to Valentine. Got about $4.

2nd time..  I decided to untie the guy.  But I left him behind.  Instead of just walking to valentine.. he decided to follow me for 40 mins over a mountain side. (Which is funny because it would have taken him 5 mins to walk to Valentine instead of chasing me over a mountain)   Eventually I got sick of him following me and brought him to Valentine.   And the payout was over $30.

Edited May 25, 2019 by HuDawg

[lumper]

1 minute ago, HuDawg said:

Its still time based.   R* just giving a little bit extra gold.

Stranger enounters for example.  I did the exact same one twice last night.  Where I had to rescue someone and give him a ride.

1st time.. Did it really quick.  Killed everyone, untied up and gave him a ride to Valentine. Got about $4.

2nd time..  I decided to untie the guy.  But I left him behind.  Instead of just walking to valentine.. he decided to follow me for 40 mins over a mountain side. (Which is funny because it would have taken him 5 mins to walk to Valentine instead of chasing me over a mountain)   Eventually I got sick of him following me and brought him to Valentine.   And the payout was over $30.

Well thats wild, and the opposite of what I was told but if you actually did it , I am going to say, it must be that way still then,  either way I am not wasting 12 minutes for a larger payout, I would rather go do another mission, today they were rolling great, I did Flaco, then immediately did Sadie Adler, then cleared the hideout up there and found a random encounter on the way back to Valentine, so I dunno, I would love larger payouts but I hate wasting time.

[DylBandit]

On 5/24/2019 at 7:48 AM, DiscoHobbit666 said:

Hi,

     I read a lot of posts on here but rarely write any, but I have been enraged by the recent major glitches( Cougar & Fish  duplicating).That has been blighting us since the game came out of Beta. & Rockstar seems to have done nothing!! They can see by just looking on You Tube  , what players are doing to make fast money,by these exploits.

    IMO these exploits are ruining the game for hard working grinders like myself , who save up to buy nice items, only to hear & see that fellow players are making huge sums of money,some in  excess of $50,000  & buying everything they want. This will kill the integrity of the game, did Rockstar not learn anything from the GTA exploitations? 

Some Players are bragging that they are untraceable , as they are not a member of  Rockstar's Social Club & have already spent their ill gotten gains, Hence the need for a rollback as a deterrent. I don't mind losing a few thousand dollars I have made to make a stand against this cheating.

Rockstar need to act fast. We need an immediate rollback & if possible,  severe penalties for those that repeat this in the future.

What do you think?

I feel your frustration towards these glitches, but the simple fact is, there will always be some sort of glitch and that's something R* has to control and fight. Honestly, I don't really have an issue with people doing money glitches, but that fact is, not everyone wants to do them, so it puts people at a disadvantage which isn't really fair. If everyone wanted to do the glitch, that's fine. R* has plans to make lots of money off of this game by making people buy gold, or grind super hard for money which takes forever to get items in the game which is what R* wants. I'm not condoning money glitches, but maybe you can see other peoples perspective on making money in the game and having fun, versus being trapped to grind for so long or buy gold with real money. 

Yes, cheating is wrong, but maybe in a way you can see the money glitch as fair so people don't have to spend countless hours trying to get money just to buy things in the game that costs so much money and you will see this later down the line when R* releases very expensive items in the game. Just like Grand Theft Auto Online, they will more than likely roll back the money that wasn't made the right way, and I'm already hearing R* is working towards a patch on this. 

People claim the glitch is not traceable because once they make their big sum of money, they go and buy items so that when they do roll back the money, they have the items that they wanted. If they were smart, they wouldn't spend everything at once which makes it obvious they were cheating. Well, I gave my input on this glitch thing but I'm sure it has a lot of people upset about this situation and I hope in the end everyone is happy. 

[BropolloCreed79]

On 5/25/2019 at 9:13 AM, HuDawg said:

Why the hell do players get less money for finishing missions too fast? 

For the same reason my wife doesn't like it when I finish "missions" too fast.

[KylesDad7]

Plain and simple; You will not see a rollback now that we're out of beta. The time for that to have happened, has past.

[KylesDad7]

As for bans and or rollbacks, I'd suggest you look up a YouTuber by the name of GamerCory, and watch his video named "I've been banned from Red Dead Online for doing the Red Dead Online money glitch! RDR2 Online Ban!" He points out from a R* article on R*'s own support site about how bans and rollbacks simply aren't done unless game code itself is being manipulated.

 

Edited May 28, 2019 by KylesDad7

[N7Creed]

I've heard that several players have in fact been banned for exploiting the fish/cougar glitch. R* can see how much money you got when, so those that used the exploit are fairly obvious. 

Not seen it myself, but I've come across reports of it online. 

[DNMNetTech]

40 minutes ago, N7Creed said:

I've heard that several players have in fact been banned for exploiting the fish/cougar glitch. R* can see how much money you got when, so those that used the exploit are fairly obvious. 

Not seen it myself, but I've come across reports of it online. 

I read that R* will not ban you for exploiting a glitch. They will only ban you for changing code to glitch. They have been known to take money away and even reset a character in more extreme cases but never have banned anyone on GTA or RDR for exploiting a glitch. I will try to find that article.