Poaching

[shellbell12003]

So R* implemented anti- grief measures which I believed helped. But is poaching the new griefing? Over the last couple of days I've had other players loot the NPC's I've shot (during an ambush that the player just happened to ride by as I began looting), skin my kills and very brazingly took a 3 star deer off my horse. I did not retaliate in any way because this is a just a game and at the very least I got the XP.  However, it is extremely frustrating. I spent real money on a game that I enjoy playing less everytime I play. 

[The_Liquor]

That would be more thieving than poaching... poaching is what you’re doing loading your horse with as many dead animals as you can and stuffing your satchel full of fish lol.

honestly, it’s annoying. But fits more in the line of being a thieving outlaw than riding around and murdering people for no particular reason. I’d just stop them, myself. Either with my fists or my guns, situation dependant. And if they get the upper hand and get away with my stuff, oh well. They won fair and square (assuming they don’t just make it into an excuse to grief you endlessly. Then they’re just being di*ks)

Edited June 19, 2019 by The_Liquor

[jnaron_ngc]

Shoot 'em!!!

[Bucnation3139]

They are trying to provoke you in to shooting first ! They can't use the excuse they couldn't find those animals. Deliberate attempt to get you to shoot first so they can grieve you with no bounty !! I myself would leave them hog tied on the trail for there thievery ! But that's just me. 

[Dissention]

Personally I would kill their horse. Best $4 you can spend.

[The_Liquor]

1 hour ago, jnaron_ngc said:

Shoot 'em!!!

The 5 cents is worth it. Kill them. Or, just let them rob you I suppose. This situation isn’t griefing in itself... but it could easily turn into griefing if either party decides to take it overboard.

[C20Dragon]

I agree, just shoot'em, grab your stuff and ride away. As I notice the other day you will only be Medium hostility for 2 mins. Then you can re-activate def mode & go sell your stuff or do whatever.

[Harlock1796]

13 hours ago, Chris Arbaugh said:

They are trying to provoke you in to shooting first ! They can't use the excuse they couldn't find those animals. Deliberate attempt to get you to shoot first so they can grieve you with no bounty !! I myself would leave them hog tied on the trail for there thievery ! But that's just me. 

Maybe.

Or maybe they're just stealing your stuff.  If I found a free perfect deer just laying around, I think I'd pick it up. For some people, that is only a small step from taking it from someone else who isn't going to retaliate.

14 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

honestly, it’s annoying. But fits more in the line of being a thieving outlaw than riding around and murdering people for no particular reason. I’d just stop them, myself. Either with my fists or my guns, situation dependant. And if they get the upper hand and get away with my stuff, oh well. They won fair and square (assuming they don’t just make it into an excuse to grief you endlessly. Then they’re just being di*ks)

  This.

I think stealing someone else's stuff is a legitimate part of the game.  I am definitely not in the camp of "it's the Wild West, so shooting random strangers in the back of the head is all part of life's rich tapestry" that's BS, but it is the Wild West, so helping yourself to a carcass off a poorly supervised horse seems like a legitimate activity, for an outlaw type. 

Keep your friends close, but your heavily laden horse closer, I think the saying goes.  

[jnaron_ngc]

4 hours ago, Harlock1796 said:

Maybe.

Or maybe they're just stealing your stuff. 

Maybe this is one of the thieves! Or better yet their leader!!!

 

[C20Dragon]

19 hours ago, The_Liquor said:

Then they’re just being di*ks)

Speaking of little pricks...

I was in a Fishing Challenge. I understand if your winning, players will come by you and try and fish. But when the players stood right in front of me & tried to prevent me from fishing, I was surprised. But I guess I shouldn't be. I just kept on fishing. lol

I blurred the name out to comply with the no name and shame rule.

 

[HuDawg]

16 minutes ago, C20Dragon said:

Speaking of little pricks...

I was in a Fishing Challenge. I understand if your winning, players will come by you and try and fish. But when the players stood right in front of me & tried to prevent me from fishing, I was surprised. But I guess I shouldn't be. I just kept on fishing. lol

I blurred the name out to comply with the no name and shame rule.

 

I don't think showing a video of a player that shows their gamer tag when that players is messing with you is naming and shaming.

Think naming and shaming is when players make topics and rage about a specific Gamer Tags... and go out of their way to cry about specific players.

 

[Bucnation3139]

6 hours ago, Harlock1796 said:

Maybe.

Or maybe they're just stealing your stuff.  If I found a free perfect deer just laying around, I think I'd pick it up. For some people, that is only a small step from taking it from someone else who isn't going to retaliate.

  This.

I think stealing someone else's stuff is a legitimate part of the game.  I am definitely not in the camp of "it's the Wild West, so shooting random strangers in the back of the head is all part of life's rich tapestry" that's BS, but it is the Wild West, so helping yourself to a carcass off a poorly supervised horse seems like a legitimate activity, for an outlaw type. 

Keep your friends close, but your heavily laden horse closer, I think the saying goes.  

So thievery is ok in your eyes ?? Yep it's an outlaw move and should be delt with as such ! Outlaws are part of the game and so is honest cowboys ! Outlaws end up on the business end of a rope and they will ! We never shoot first but stealing from us won't end well for you. Get your own deer. 

[Ozy8753]

17 minutes ago, Chris Arbaugh said:

So thievery is ok in your eyes ?? Yep it's an outlaw move and should be delt with as such ! Outlaws are part of the game and so is honest cowboys ! Outlaws end up on the business end of a rope and they will ! We never shoot first but stealing from us won't end well for you. Get your own deer. 

Exactly, the only thing they will get from me is a bullet in their head.

 

 

 

[DNMNetTech]

Well historically speaking a posse is a body of men, typically armed, summoned by a sheriff to enforce the law. Now to define law that needs enforcing, in the game, is a bit tricky. The posse thing, I think we all know how to form them. They used to be volunteers not just a set specific group of individuals tho many were. 

 

[DNMNetTech]

I did have a guy remove my fish from my horse a couple weeks ago. So.. I removed his horse from my fish.  Took my fish back off the ground and rode away.

[Harlock1796]

1 hour ago, Chris Arbaugh said:

So thievery is ok in your eyes ?? Yep it's an outlaw move and should be delt with as such ! Outlaws are part of the game and so is honest cowboys ! Outlaws end up on the business end of a rope and they will ! We never shoot first but stealing from us won't end well for you. Get your own deer. 

 

25 minutes ago, Ozy8753 said:

Exactly, the only thing they will get from me is a bullet in their head.

Sorry, I haven't been clear.  I 100% agree with both of you.

I wouldn't steal a deer off someone's horse (as opposed to picking one up if I found it laying unclaimed on the ground, as I mentioned - I'd do that if there were no players in the vicinity, and it seemed to just be going to waste).  I'm boringly 'white hat', and never shoot first or mess with other people playing their game.

However, I do think that someone stealing a deer, or whatever, is a fairly 'legitimate' activity for an outlaw. I've caught a couple of people doing it to me in the past, and I have, equally legitimately, shot their face off.  In the absence of being able to do proper 'hold ups', (trains, stores, stage coaches etc) stealing people's carcasses is virtually the only legitimate paying outlaw work a player can do in free roam.  I quite like the fact that they're going to the effort.  Game is so plentiful and easy to hunt, it's clearly more efficient to go and get your own damn deer, rather than trying to take mine and getting a bullet in your brain for your trouble.

I do not commend people for doing it, but neither do I condemn them in the same way that I do for random killing.  Stealing someone's stuff because its worth money to you is not the same level of d!ck move as shooting someone for no reason and no profit. 

Expect to get shot for it, though. 

Messing with someone's stuff - horse or cargo - should count as a hostile act, and turn the offender red, but I don't think it does.

 

[jamesg]

5 hours ago, HuDawg said:

I don't think showing a video of a player that shows their gamer tag when that players is messing with you is naming and shaming.

Think naming and shaming is when players make topics and rage about a specific Gamer Tags... and go out of their way to cry about specific players.

 

Was that about 14.00h rs today?  (GMT)  coz it looks suspiciously like the muppet who was doing that to me in the swamp fishing challenge.

[Kean_1]

6 hours ago, C20Dragon said:

I blurred the name out to comply with the no name and shame rule.

Thanks for doing that and respecting the rules.

5 hours ago, HuDawg said:

I don't think showing a video of a player that shows their gamer tag when that players is messing with you is naming and shaming.

Think naming and shaming is when players make topics and rage about a specific Gamer Tags... and go out of their way to cry about specific players.

No, the above also falls under the naming and shaming rules.  Even with evidence that shows someone is trolling, cheating, etc. in the game, we do not allow the naming & shaming or "calling out" of any other players and/or fellow members regardless of the circumstances.  

We urge folks to use the in-game reporting features and R* Support site to report such activities and to submit their evidence.  If a member here is being trolled or harassed in these forums, via PM or otherwise, report the post and/or contact one of us (the staff) so we can handle it.

From the bits I saw of the video, that example should be fine as C20 blurred out the offender's name.

If anyone has questions about the rules, please ask us.:

Name and shame: Please don't be tempted to"name and shame" or call out other players in Red Dead Online that you might have had a dispute or other issue with. We don't allow those sorts of posts.

[HuDawg]

20 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

Thanks for doing that and respecting the rules.

No, the above also falls under the naming and shaming rules.  Even with evidence that shows someone is trolling, cheating, etc. in the game, we do not allow the naming & shaming or "calling out" of any other players and/or fellow members regardless of the circumstances.  

We urge folks to use the in-game reporting features and R* Support site to report such activities and to submit their evidence.  If a member here is being trolled or harassed in these forums, via PM or otherwise, report the post and/or contact one of us (the staff) so we can handle it.

From the bits I saw of the video, that example should be fine as C20 blurred out the offender's name.

 

Still don't see how its naming and shaming.   Maybe im wrong but...

If I post a clip of something in game and it just so happens to show a players Gamer Tag..  Im not gonna go out of my way to blur their name out.  Its just a game..

Naming and shaming is more about going out of your way to actually do that.  Like "Stay away from this guy" and actually making a point about their gamer tag.

Showing a game clip that just so happens to show someones gamer tag due to game play design, is pretty much the opposite of naming and shaming.  

[Kean_1]

1 hour ago, HuDawg said:

Still don't see how its naming and shaming.   Maybe im wrong but...

If I post a clip of something in game and it just so happens to show a players Gamer Tag..  Im not gonna go out of my way to blur their name out.  Its just a game..

Naming and shaming is more about going out of your way to actually do that.  Like "Stay away from this guy" and actually making a point about their gamer tag.

Showing a game clip that just so happens to show someones gamer tag due to game play design, is pretty much the opposite of naming and shaming.  

C'mon HuDawg....

When you call out a player because of their actions like in C20s example (even made a derogatory remark toward him) , that would be considered naming & shaming and he was right to blur it out as it would have otherwise been deleted and subject to a warning.  The whole thread was about players who poach and those that do it.   C20 recognized that he would be naming & shaming and kudos to him for respecting the rules by blurring it out.  

You can't get a more clear cut example of naming & shaming than this.  I don't have a problem with someone disagreeing with this rule but I would have a problem if they chose to ignore it because of it.  It's not up for debate. 

In this case, it would have been naming and shaming if the user name was included.   .....simple as that.

 

[C20Dragon]

The only reason I posted the video in this topic, was because the 1st post talks about players griefing / trolling or poaching said player.

I just wanted to show members on this forum that it could even happen in a Fishing Challenge. A player griefing / trolling me by trying to prevent me from fishing & winning.

I was hesitated to make this post due to the quote I used, my comments about the player & providing a video of proof.

 I didn't want to be a troll or griefer myself & wanted to follow the rules of the forum. So I blurred out the name. Hoping that it would comply with the rules.

I thought Liquor's quote was a perfect representation of what that person was doing to me and to the member in the 1st post.

Sorry, I won't do it again. If there is a next time, I'll just post the video without any derogatory comments.

[Kean_1]

35 minutes ago, C20Dragon said:

The only reason I posted the video in this topic, was because the 1st post talks about players griefing / trolling or poaching said player.

I just wanted to show members on this forum that it could even happen in a Fishing Challenge. A player griefing / trolling me by trying to prevent me from fishing & winning.

I was hesitated to make this post due to the quote I used, my comments about the player & providing a video of proof.

 I didn't want to be a troll or griefer myself & wanted to follow the rules of the forum. So I blurred out the name. Hoping that it would comply with the rules.

I thought Liquor's quote was a perfect representation of what that person was doing to me and to the member in the 1st post.

Sorry, I won't do it again. If there is a next time, I'll just post the video without any derogatory comments.

Why are you apologizing?  You've done nothing wrong.  .....quite the opposite as I've stated here several times. 

This whole debate HuDawg brought up had nothing to do with anything that you did wrong.   ....you were actually following the rules.  Ok?

[C20Dragon]

54 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

Why are you apologizing?  You've done nothing wrong.  .....quite the opposite as I've stated here several times. 

This whole debate HuDawg brought up had nothing to do with anything that you did wrong.   ....you were actually following the rules.  Ok?

Thank you for clarifying. I was apologizing for using derogatory comments towards the player in my video.

[Kean_1]

1 hour ago, C20Dragon said:

Thank you for clarifying. I was apologizing for using derogatory comments towards the player in my video.

No worries.  To be honest, the remark is borderline but not aimed at someone here or anyone named and I really didn't pay much mind to it.  The only reason I brought any of this up was to clarify the rule when it was questioned by someone else.  This has been the 2nd time in the last few days someone challenged it and I just wanted to set the record straight.   It's all good.

[The_Liquor]

I use borderline derogatory language frequently... As one of my basic training instructor put it all those years ago... ‘the army taught me how to do three things very well. Drink, smoke and swear.’

[Bucnation3139]

17 hours ago, Harlock1796 said:

 

Sorry, I haven't been clear.  I 100% agree with both of you.

I wouldn't steal a deer off someone's horse (as opposed to picking one up if I found it laying unclaimed on the ground, as I mentioned - I'd do that if there were no players in the vicinity, and it seemed to just be going to waste).  I'm boringly 'white hat', and never shoot first or mess with other people playing their game.

However, I do think that someone stealing a deer, or whatever, is a fairly 'legitimate' activity for an outlaw. I've caught a couple of people doing it to me in the past, and I have, equally legitimately, shot their face off.  In the absence of being able to do proper 'hold ups', (trains, stores, stage coaches etc) stealing people's carcasses is virtually the only legitimate paying outlaw work a player can do in free roam.  I quite like the fact that they're going to the effort.  Game is so plentiful and easy to hunt, it's clearly more efficient to go and get your own damn deer, rather than trying to take mine and getting a bullet in your brain for your trouble.

I do not commend people for doing it, but neither do I condemn them in the same way that I do for random killing.  Stealing someone's stuff because its worth money to you is not the same level of d!ck move as shooting someone for no reason and no profit. 

Expect to get shot for it, though. 

Messing with someone's stuff - horse or cargo - should count as a hostile act, and turn the offender red, but I don't think it does.

 

I honestly agree with you @Harlock1796 we do need outlaws in this game or there would be no fun for honest cowboys. We gotta have villains to chase and bring to justice or it would be quite dull ! Hope the bounty Hunter role let's us chase and capture villains as it would really up the excitement !! Lol here's to Hopeing. Good luck out there my fellow gunslinger !

[Kean_1]

On 6/21/2019 at 3:20 AM, Chris Arbaugh said:

I honestly agree with you @Harlock1796 we do need outlaws in this game or there would be no fun for honest cowboys. We gotta have villains to chase and bring to justice or it would be quite dull ! Hope the bounty Hunter role let's us chase and capture villains as it would really up the excitement !! Lol here's to Hopeing. Good luck out there my fellow gunslinger !

I'm curious to see what the new "role" mechanics bring to the game as well.

[Darkvicar]

Does GTA have "role" mechanics?

I hope the new mechanics will not help make the game more insular or sanitised. It would good for them to increase player interaction rather than diminish it.

As for nicking stuff off others horses  it annoys me but it is game mechanic in story mode  Arthur could help himself to cargo as NpC's lead their horse past. 

I think R* want more not less player interaction and this is an easy way to promote hostile interactions. 

Is it happens in camp,  I do think Cripps should give them both barrels! He would finally earn his keep.

Edited June 22, 2019 by Darkvicar

[Kean_1]

18 minutes ago, Darkvicar said:

Does GTA have "role" mechanics?

No, but then again, I think R* has made it clear that they are not particularly interested in using everything from the GTAO playbook in RDO.  

18 minutes ago, Darkvicar said:

I hope the new mechanics will not help make the game more insular or sanitised. It would good for them to increase player interaction rather than diminish it.

I can't imagine these roles would make the game feel more sanitized or diminish player interaction (quite the opposite) but again, we really have no idea what this new mechanic will include so....

Personally, I see it as hopefully a way to give players what they want out of the game.  Those that enjoy more risk, engagements with randoms, etc. could have that.  ....those that don't, won't. 

 

[Miltonastic]

The game needs thieves and cuttthroats, but those thieves and cuttthroats are going to have to accept the retribution without whining and pretending they're "being grieved".

This player was lucky shellbell didn't decide to take their head clean off and feed it to the gators.