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Stealing distant deliveries is the most exciting part of the update


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Anyone else find that tracking down and taking a trader wagon is the most exciting part of the update? 

It really takes some skill to do and really gets exciting.  Since you only see the wagon on the map during the early and late stages of the delivery,  the tracking and interception is challenging.  Then, dealing with the players, wow.  

I love it.  

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I got attacked on a delivery for the first time the other day - ended up in quite the 2v2 battle. The opposition were really very good and after the wagon got destroyed they managed to make off with 2 of the bags and we delivered the other 2. Of course at the time I was pissed at missing out on the cash we would have earned but if there's no risk there should be no additional reward so I accept it as part of the game - fair play to the posse that attacked us (although as the battle went on after the delivery one of them did turn out to be an utter knob).

That said, I do think the odds are stacked against the individual(s) making the delivery. First, you don't know whether the players you're passing are going to attack or not so you're on the back foot. If you take the first shot and they were going to leave you alone then you've brought trouble on yourself for the rest of the trip, if they were going to attack you're still in trouble. Second, you're an easy, sitting target on the wagon and trying to defend yourself while not crashing the wagon. Third, if you do get killed you then have to call for and wait for your horse to turn up and in my case this was a long way from where the wagon now was so my posse mate was in a 2 v 1 while trying to keep the wagon on the trail. Impossible task.

 

I can see deliveries being really fun running with a large posse but on my own or just with a mate I'm sticking to local deliveries from now on.

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We welcome the thought of rival traders ! Straight snoozer to take one in without attempted robbery. Its a cowboy game with guns for Pete's sake. I see both sides though , some just want to travel across the prarie in peace and that's ok.  Most want this interaction because it is exciting defending your goods against would be thieves ! We like action in a shooter game. 

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I'm kind of torn.  I like that this exists in the update, as I want the game to be as close to a sim with free choices as possible.  However, given I play solo, all that has happened is that I now only do local deliveries, as on my own I can't hope to defend a pretty static wagon against a group of three or more human players.  So this new aspect of the game has simply reduced my trader income, as I will at best risk a local scurry with my goods.  I have joined a few posses, but setting up my own to defend my own goods deliveries just feels a bit too much of an unknown.  So I like that it exists, but I'm not participating in this side of things myself.  I was griefed last night and killed twice by the same guy using headshots with a varmint rifle, so somewhere in the equation (cards, I guess, a dark art to me) I am irretrievably behind in the arms race!

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My basic point was pointing out that who would have thought the trader role would have been the most adrenaline pumping of the new roles.  Whether you're hunting a wagon or you're delivering one, I'm always way more on edge than when I'm bounty hunting.  Maybe player bounties could rival trader intercepts, but I've yet to see one happen. 

I have had my wagon stolen.  It was the risk I took when I rolled the dice and went for the extra $125. 

I only ride with one posse mate, all our attacks are with only 2 people. We have 3-3 record so far. 

 

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13 minutes ago, Freakshow9191 said:

My basic point was pointing out that who would have thought the trader role would have been the most adrenaline pumping of the new roles.  Whether you're hunting a wagon or you're delivering one, I'm always way more on edge than when I'm bounty hunting.  Maybe player bounties could rival trader intercepts, but I've yet to see one happen. 

I have had my wagon stolen.  It was the risk I took when I rolled the dice and went for the extra $125. 

I only ride with one posse mate, all our attacks are with only 2 people. We have 3-3 record so far. 

 

Man that's awesome that the 2 of you are out here in the West doing what needs to be done ! I salute you my friend. We almost always have a full 7 running those and we protect it very well. I can only imagine the rush y'all are getting with just the 2 of you ! Keep it up cowboy !

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Just now, Bucnation3139 said:

Man that's awesome that the 2 of you are out here in the West doing what needs to be done ! I salute you my friend. We almost always have a full 7 running those and we protect it very well. I can only imagine the rush y'all are getting with just the 2 of you ! Keep it up cowboy !

The pucker factor is very high when doing a long delivery with just 2. You win some and you lose some. And some you never see a sole.

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47 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said:

You don't have to do the long deliveries if your not ready to defend your cargo. That is why you get more for them. I'm just saying...

Exactly . High risk, high reward . I have zero issue with it. I'm glad it is part of the game. You have to ask yourself how important that extra $125 is worth to you. I have jacked one wagon before. Moron was doing the Defensive Mode Post Office BS. Were he pops defensive mode , than jumps out to shot gun you than retreats back to post office. Well when he decided to make his deliver, I gladly relieved him of his goods along with my posse. 

Don't think anyone is being an asshole if they try to take your wagon. All part of the game. Now if they keep attacking you after you drop off the wagon because they are salty....well that is a whole different story. 

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2 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said:

The pucker factor is very high when doing a long delivery with just 2. You win some and you lose some. And some you never see a sole.

Facts. Especially solo. I have explosives in everything and am gold cored up. I will eat a few rounds....but I am not going down easy. Lol. 

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1 minute ago, DNMNetTech said:

Blow my wagon up, blow me up. OK. But after the mission is over, LEAVE MY HORSE OUT OF IT!

Lol. I hear you. We had a 2 man posse try to take our wagon and failed. They were so hot that they called in 5 more of their friends after we made the drop. Ahhh....good times. Good times. 

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4 minutes ago, Savage_Reaper said:

Don't think anyone is being an asshole if they try to take your wagon. All part of the game. Now if they keep attacking you after you drop off the wagon because they are salty....well that is a whole different story. 

They are well within their right to do and if they want to try to go after me go ahead. I have no issue with having to defend myself. I've been lucky. I've only ever been attacked once and I easily fended it off. Personally I'll never attack another player(unless provoked) even in those structured pvp situations. I prefer playing the good guy(despite my name). Though I have been known to blow away NPCs who piss me off, or if I get bored and feel like messing with them. Besides, attacking a wagon imo isn't  worth it to gain a few goods out of it. It would be a different story if you could hijack the wagon and sell the goods yourself for full price.

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7 minutes ago, Vaderspupil said:

They are well within their right to do and if they want to try to go after me go ahead. I have no issue with having to defend myself. I've been lucky. I've only ever been attacked once and I easily fended it off. Personally I'll never attack another player(unless provoked) even in those structured pvp situations. I prefer playing the good guy(despite my name). Though I have been known to blow away NPCs who piss me off, or if I get bored and feel like messing with them. Besides, attacking a wagon imo isn't  worth it to gain a few goods out of it. It would be a different story if you could hijack the wagon and sell the goods yourself for full price.

That would be a game changer. Maybe not 100% but say maybe between 75-80% since they are "stolen" goods. That would make things very very interesting. 

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it's definitely fun having to defend it, we have a strategy in place for when we do our trader wagon routes (we only do long distance ones). It's a shame though that the wagons popping up on the map is bugged af. One day one of our members saw the wagon on the map but the others couldn't see it what so ever, so who knows how many missed opportunities we've had.

That being said whenever i've actually seen the red dot its either a lone trader (not gonna be fair killing solo player so we leave it alone), or they're already at the end of the route. People seem to also be doing strictly local deliveries like some wusses. Those two combined are ruining the opportunity to have some engaging and meaningful pvp.

All these people saying "i hate PvP", "i dont want anyone attacking me" etc.. should embrace the thrill that comes with defending your wagon, also you should either join a crew or recruit a bunch of casuals that are willing to help you. What do you honestly expect if your'e alone with a wagon in a world where animal spawns are ****ed up. I never do a wagon run unless i have about 5 people heavily defending the supplies.

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53 minutes ago, Bucnation3139 said:

We almost always have a full 7 running those and we protect it very well. 

That would be awesome! 

We tracked down a wagon recently only to find out it was a full 7 man posse escorting.  Yeah, not only did we not attack, but we got the hell out of there. Our best was a 2v4 so far. 

I can only imagine a 7v7 wagon fight.

Pure chaos! 

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3 minutes ago, Freakshow9191 said:

That would be awesome! 

We tracked down a wagon recently only to find out it was a full 7 man posse escorting.  Yeah, not only did we not attack, but we got the hell out of there. Our best was a 2v4 so far. 

I can only imagine a 7v7 wagon fight.

Pure chaos! 

Oh it's glorious my friend. You actually get the feeling your in a spaghetti western !! Complete with whistling in the background and all the ambient noises ! Dam I love it ! 😀

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4 minutes ago, Freakshow9191 said:

That would be awesome! 

We tracked down a wagon recently only to find out it was a full 7 man posse escorting.  Yeah, not only did we not attack, but we got the hell out of there. Our best was a 2v4 so far. 

I can only imagine a 7v7 wagon fight.

Pure chaos! 

Chaos? Not if the posse is a well organized machine with great communication skills. 

Chaos if it is a band of Dudly Do Rights. But then we all started that way. Am I right?

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2 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said:

Chaos? Not if the posse is a well organized machine with great communication skills. 

Chaos if it is a band of Dudly Do Rights. But then we all started that way. Am I right?

True. That is why running with randoms can be a bit hairy. For example your best shooter(s) should never be driving the wagon. I personally drive a wagon like Stevie Wonder on bath salts. So unless I'm riding solo you will not catch me driving a wagon ever.

In a well organized 7 man, you can handle just about anything even the numbers game. Nothing better than getting jumped by 3 posses but your 7 man holds strong and watch them get frustrated, rage in the mic,  start in fighting, leave session(once they run out of explosives), etc. That has to be one of my favorite things about this game. You don't have to be the best but if you are a good team player, you make whatever posse you are in that much stronger. IMO.  

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15 minutes ago, DNMNetTech said:

Chaos? Not if the posse is a well organized machine with great communication skills.

In a 7v7 match? When horses start going down, explosives are flying , respawns are throwing people in near and far, slight delay in microphone. 

I think it could get chaotic. I would love to try it out.  

The ONE time I joined a random 7 man posse to assist on an escort we didn't see even a single blue dot.  But it was fantastic to be riding in a group that big, rifles drawn. Just daring someone to try and take it. 

Wish my friends would join more consistently.  It's kind of hit or miss with my group. 

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Every time I make a distant delivery, I always make sure that I have a posse member with me and that I have all my weapons loaded with explosive ammo. I haven’t been attacked yet. Kinda wish I would be. 
 

Side note: It would be cool if there were train guard opportunities in free roam. I know there’s the free roam event, but I’m thinking of something else. Like when a train is about to pull into station, an icon pops up at the station where you can sign up to guard the train. But if you don’t get there fast enough, you can rob the train from the other players. 

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