No thanks,.... idiotic with idiots

[Phranko]

Maybe if you complain enough, they'll give us passive mode against NPCs and animals too. I personally hope they just replace all the guns in the game with water guns.

I got a nice bit of time put in online. I've only had 2 encounters with trolls. Once I deserved it as I didn't realize I was picking herbs within a couple hundred feet of a rival mission that I could intercept. The other was when me and some randoms were hunting in an area and someone started sniping this one guy. He respawned and had though I was the one shooting him. In any case, both fights were over before the parley system even kicked in. If you can't fight back, can't make friends to play with, or want to explore. Go back to single player. That or Candy Crush.

[the uncucked canuck]

Just now, Jota said:

The only people ruining the game are those whose only idea of fun is exploiting the spawn mechanics.

Regardless of pve or pvp i think there should be kill restrictions in spawning of course.

[Jota]

2 minutes ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Regardless of pve or pvp i think there should be kill restrictions in spawning of course.

The other thing is the blips on the map. That's not really realistic if you can see where everyone is via your mini map.  

I can see the online mode as it is may appeal to people who dedicate their life to it, but for those with only a few hours here and there it's going to be one enormous headache getting anywhere or anything done.

[Abysstic]

I enjoy PvE, but understand there is want for PvP. If you want to make me deal with PvP all the time then give me some immersive suspension of disbelief. Make ‘murder’ actually a deterrent  instead of a trivial penality. Flag offenders for hours even after respawn. Make bounties for ‘murder’ incremental and exorbitant, including gold and XP for tracking down a ‘murder’.  Or make that penality actually have consequences, like permently loosing / dropping firearms, funds, items, and or Perminant loss of mounts.  Make towns and cities raise the calls for  marshals and mobs to hunt down offenders. 

If you want to kill other players there are events for that. If you really have to pull the trigger on a PvEer, have a consequence that is meaningful. Otherwise, speaking personally, I have no reason to buy gold (mocotransactions coming soon) to lessen the grind or continue to play in lobby after lobby of griefers.

 

[BropolloCreed79]

1 hour ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Accusing me hurling pejoratives at AN OBJECT (a passive mode server) probably to justify a ban because you don't like my opinion. Directly called someone a normie in my first post ever as a meme/joke which received two warning points from you, being the first and last im allowed, and haven't done it since.
 

Your own words betray you based on the preponderance of the evidence:

4 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Theres nothing wrong with segregating normies who want to have passive mode allowable from others who want to be locked into a legit pvp experience with everyone else

 

2 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

You among others keep ignoring my point just to yell at a wall with "hur dur muh harassment" "you just wanna grief people" ect when ive said nothing of the sort

Nothing wrong with keeping a part of the game the same as it is now and have a pve/pvp mode enabled server for normies.

 

2 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Point to me playing the victim.

and yeah catering to this is very normie, if you have another word go for it.

Also just trying to have a discussion and try to ensure i can still play the game the way it is. If you perceive this as "degenerating" thats on you.

 

7 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Im still mad. i wanna enjoy the game before noobs and game journos ruin it with passive mode again.

 

23 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

 Its the noobs and game journos asking for this, im the one trying to compromise.
 

Not using "normie" but the equivalent.

On 11/28/2018 at 11:47 AM, the uncucked canuck said:

Thats the point. Either we're going to get passive mode, or passive mode lite as HuDawg is arguing because noobs and game journos keep whining about getting killed.

 

On 11/28/2018 at 11:23 AM, the uncucked canuck said:

The incentive is lost and it leaves those who actually want to grind honorably on a PVP server while watching their back at an extreme disadvantage as some noob who spent hours grinding in PVE will simply hop over and start owning all these people, leaving them frustrated with the only choice to also hop over to PVE (passive mode) to grind and to compete.
 

You can lie to me and lie to yourself, but the truth will set you free.

[Poggy]

Ouch.

[Madrigalian]

Personally, I am really tired of this argument.  Been going on since before Asheron's Call.  For whatever reason it always boils down to name calling and derogatory remarks toward the two styles of play.  PVP'ers calling Non PVP'ers names and vise versa.  I like PvP.  I don't like griefers.  Point is, it's just different styles of play, both legitimate.  It's up to R* to decide if there's enough of a base on either side to support both. 

In the meantime, I will continue to hunt down griefers with extreme prejudice. 

  

[Agent V]

8 hours ago, Mazier_Drave said:

So today I get the on-line beta .... first part of it fine ... However the instant I go into Blackwater on free roam, immediate idiot fest...... Two little fools seperately attack me and kill me... because I am not even paying them attention. Why would I? 

This is why I NEVER play on-line, this is why i never payed GTA5 on line or COD on line or anything else on line...... If I wanted to mix with moronic idiots then I would go out and find some  ... So unless Rockstar or whomever find some way to shut down the pond life... Then no thanks, not for me.

If these puerile little ****s wish to fight there should be a process... a process in which I can refuse... Indeed there should be a menu choice which says "No interaction whatsoever with any other live player with an IQ below 140"

That's my opinion and frankly I care less what anyone else thinks because I do not have the wiring to care.

 

 

8 hours ago, the uncucked canuck said:

Yet another person trying to restrict everyone elses freedom because they had bad luck or should have been more careful.

Let me guess, you want to give it a passive mode?

My Husband & I have been trying to do the side missions and level up and save money to buy a bow for the main mission, It seems though we stay off the main roads, stay away from people that a lot of the players will literally go out of there way to just come and shoot us. We then get into a  Killing spree back and forth until some one parleys.

This takes a lot of hours out of our game play, we work, we have maybe 2-5 hours per day of game play... The last thing I want to do when I get home from dealing with people all day,... is have to get home and deal with the Snot nosed Murderous Children who clearly only play the game to ruin every ones day by random acts of unnecessary PvP violence!

It takes precious time out of our doing missions to have to constantly stop and defend ourselves from random kiddies who constantly PvP you, everything from just riding by and the shoot you on the way by, to tracking you way out in the wilds and attacking you. This PvP is out of hand, It's passe, and with all the PvP games out there and e-sport battle Royales, PvP no longer has a relevant place in open World games... Specially when the game is based on PvE content. 

PvP & PvE should always be separated on their respective servers. I do not see the point of Rockstar bringing out another GTA5 style of open world game. RDR2O is basically that, GTA5 only set in the 1800's.... 

Back to the top of this post. 

Again my Husband & I are doing the main story missions and side quest, Though we can do PvP, and will kill our attacker over, and over, and over, and over...well you get the point, THAT disrupts our game play and time. There should be a way to turn PvP completely off.

Another irritating factor is some of the side missions do AGAIN the GTA5 B.S. of trying to bring a mission in and it actually promotes other players to PvP and stop you!! On top of all the NPC coming after you! That Cow Stuffing needs to be taken out of the game!!

Thanks for reading 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Agent V

[Agent V]

27 minutes ago, Madrigalian said:

Personally, I am really tired of this argument.  Been going on since before Asheron's Call.  For whatever reason it always boils down to name calling and derogatory remarks toward the two styles of play.  PVP'ers calling Non PVP'ers names and vise versa.  I like PvP.  I don't like griefers.  Point is, it's just different styles of play, both legitimate.  It's up to R* to decide if there's enough of a base on either side to support both. 

In the meantime, I will continue to hunt down griefers with extreme prejudice. 

  

Totally agree with you there @Madrigalian. 

Example of just useless Grieffing, I was selling my hide trying to get some money for a bow, as soon as I popped out of the shop a random PvP'er lassoed me tied me up put me on his horse, took me out of town, and then shot me in the head! 

It would be nice to have a system that PvE'ers can flag and stay passivist mode and not be bothered by the PvP'ers, and vise Versa. Those that PvP can flag for it and go after other PvP'ers. It's an easy system to put into a game... at the start of your session you choose what mode you wish to play, your stuck in that mode until you log off. 

Edited November 29, 2018 by Agent V

[madfretter]

1 hour ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Your own words betray you based on the preponderance of the evidence:

 

 

 

 

Not using "normie" but the equivalent.

 

You can lie to me and lie to yourself, but the truth will set you free.

You are quickly becoming my favorite poster..

[BropolloCreed79]

1 minute ago, madfretter said:

You are quickly becoming my favorite poster..

Appreciated.  There's a difference between being glib and outright dishonesty, between fact and opinion.  

Full disclosure: I'm an incorrigible, incurable jackass; prone to fits of spontaneous defecating in my own trousers, so don't get too attached.

[sLLiMM]

who's excited about MODS !! oh wait that's right it's just me..

[madfretter]

3 minutes ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Appreciated.  There's a difference between being glib and outright dishonesty, between fact and opinion.  

Full disclosure: I'm an incorrigible, incurable jackass; prone to fits of spontaneous defecating in my own trousers, so don't get too attached.

Well the you won't get boring... Seriously though, all this talknig from us and they're going to zero our progress after Beta anyway...lol

[Kean_1]

4 minutes ago, madfretter said:

Well the you won't get boring... Seriously though, all this talknig from us and they're going to zero our progress after Beta anyway...lol

R* simply said that to cover their butt if they have to clean the slate at some point.  Funny how some of the game review sites and personalities have made a big deal about it. 

They had to say it in the event they need to make an update that would affect player stats, etc.  Not particularly unusual in betas but I'll wager R* does what they can to retain player progress.

[madfretter]

5 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

R* simply said that to cover their butt if they have to clean the slate at some point.  Funny how some of the game review sites and personalities have made a big deal about it. 

They had to say it in the event they need to make an update that would affect player stats, etc.  Not particularly unusual in betas but I'll wager R* does what they can to retain player progress.

Makes sense. They definitely don't want to deal with  backlash like Wildcard got with ARK (they earned it though). 

[BropolloCreed79]

8 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

R* simply said that to cover their butt if they have to clean the slate at some point.  Funny how some of the game review sites and personalities have made a big deal about it. 

They had to say it in the event they need to make an update that would affect player stats, etc.  Not particularly unusual in betas but I'll wager R* does what they can to retain player progress.

True enough.  But Dr. Poop Juice is growing on me.  I may rebuild him later today from scratch, but keep the name.  Right now he looks a lot like like a taller, fatter version of Gallagher:

[Truth]

55 minutes ago, madfretter said:

You are quickly becoming my favorite poster..

He certainly has a way about him, doesn't he?

[OGTKCole]

8 hours ago, HuDawg said:

You seem to think this game is all about grinding..   While its just one aspect of the game

Myself and friend where just hunting yesterday to stock up on food.  In comes a four person posse and starts killing us.   So we started killing them back.   Basically we slaughtered each other over and over again, for over an hour.  We actually tried to leave the area after 20 mins, but they killed our horses.  After out horses got merked we decided to just keep killing them.

Now.. we actually enjoy killing players (hate the auto aim tho)..  But we stuck around for that one hour battle.    People who don't care for pvp would probably have had to quit the lobby. 

Forcing pvp on to players who have no interest in it... isn't fun for non pvp folks.

 

 

This right here happened to me as well.. I dont mind PVP, but I want to PVP on my own time, not when im Hunting and skinning for Pelts. Why do I have to stop what Im doing and waste a hour to PVP people who I didnt engage?? I ended up killing the group way more than they killed me, but they ruined my hunting time. Im trying to get be ahead of the curve when it comes to crafting items once Online is out of beta.

[Netnow66]

I don't care when a game I consider bad encourages griefing. It's only when one that I really like does it. I'm hoping that by the time this gets out of beta there will be servers or some other accommodation for those who don't wish to be harassed while enjoying this game.

[dIV4r]

I think this is something they will change knowing how people can be. I was in a server earlier and I just kept getting hunted down and killed. I couldn't do anything I wanted to do because I had to worry about this group of raging trolls screwing me over. I said f it and got offline. That mixed in with getting kicked off the server multiple times for the first hour was annoying the hell out of me. 

[OGTKCole]

I also think they should do away with auto-aim as well, I bet all the griefers would cry. How you impress me shoot without auto aim, which a lot of these guys cant. Its one of the main reasons a lot of them hated PUBG.

[Anc1entC0re]

I kind of figured a lot of people would be complaining and crying over spilled milk already. Do you all not realize this is IN BETA? It is meant to let them work out things and see how everything works with multiple people playing. I am sure issues will get handled with trolls. Just give them more than a few days, damn. I can tell some of you never worked on video game programing before. 

[Kean_1]

The big issue is that R* tries to blend coop and PvP together in public sessions without restrictions.  Those who like to play cooperatively, engage in the activities, grind for cash, etc. simply become the prey for those who make it their life mission to kill other players. 

Trolls are at an advantage here.  ....and I say "trolls" as there really is no benefit or reason to hunting down and randomly killing other players in this game.  They do it out of simple enjoyment.  .....to cause grief.

 

[OGTKCole]

3 hours ago, Agent V said:

 

My Husband & I have been trying to do the side missions and level up and save money to buy a bow for the main mission, It seems though we stay off the main roads, stay away from people that a lot of the players will literally go out of there way to just come and shoot us. We then get into a  Killing spree back and forth until some one parleys.

This takes a lot of hours out of our game play, we work, we have maybe 2-5 hours per day of game play... The last thing I want to do when I get home from dealing with people all day,... is have to get home and deal with the Snot nosed Murderous Children who clearly only play the game to ruin every ones day by random acts of unnecessary PvP violence!

It takes precious time out of our doing missions to have to constantly stop and defend ourselves from random kiddies who constantly PvP you, everything from just riding by and the shoot you on the way by, to tracking you way out in the wilds and attacking you. This PvP is out of hand, It's passe, and with all the PvP games out there and e-sport battle Royales, PvP no longer has a relevant place in open World games... Specially when the game is based on PvE content. 

PvP & PvE should always be separated on their respective servers. I do not see the point of Rockstar bringing out another GTA5 style of open world game. RDR2O is basically that, GTA5 only set in the 1800's.... 

Back to the top of this post. 

Again my Husband & I are doing the main story missions and side quest, Though we can do PvP, and will kill our attacker over, and over, and over, and over...well you get the point, THAT disrupts our game play and time. There should be a way to turn PvP completely off.

Another irritating factor is some of the side missions do AGAIN the GTA5 B.S. of trying to bring a mission in and it actually promotes other players to PvP and stop you!! On top of all the NPC coming after you! That Cow Stuffing needs to be taken out of the game!!

Thanks for reading 

Man this pissed me off so bad yesterday because some kid was doing this to me, that I stopped hunting and murdered him over and over until he finally left the server. THEY HAVE TO FIX THIS ASAP! 

[Kean_1]

4 minutes ago, Anc1entC0re said:

I kind of figured a lot of people would be complaining and crying over spilled milk already. Do you all not realize this is IN BETA? It is meant to let them work out things and see how everything works with multiple people playing. I am sure issues will get handled with trolls. Just give them more than a few days, damn. I can tell some of you never worked on video game programing before. 

As some of us already mentioned, most are fully aware that this is a beta and things will be added, removed, improved as time goes on.  I even expect private / friends-only sessions to become available in the future.  

Folks are simply sharing their experiences and suggestions.  

[Kean_1]

1 minute ago, OGTKCole said:

Man this pissed me off so bad yesterday because some kid was doing this to me, that I stopped hunting and murdered him over and over until he finally left the server. THEY HAVE TO FIX THIS ASAP! 

Your best bet for now is to team up with friends if you can.  ....safety in numbers.

[OGTKCole]

2 hours ago, BropolloCreed79 said:

Appreciated.  There's a difference between being glib and outright dishonesty, between fact and opinion.  

Full disclosure: I'm an incorrigible, incurable jackass; prone to fits of spontaneous defecating in my own trousers, so don't get too attached.

I blocked him for exactly this reason. 

[Anc1entC0re]

2 minutes ago, Kean_1 said:

As some of us already mentioned, most are fully aware that this is a beta and things will be added, removed, improved as time goes on.  I even expect private / friends-only sessions to become available in the future.  

Folks are simply sharing their experiences and suggestions.  

I don't think they should do non-PVP servers but rather just have private ones for friends to just join up and play together. 

[OGTKCole]

1 minute ago, Kean_1 said:

Your best bet for now is to team up with friends if you can.  ....safety in numbers.

Yeah I did... But sometimes I just love to hunt for pelts and meat and take in the beautiful game.

[OGTKCole]

4 minutes ago, Anc1entC0re said:

I don't think they should do non-PVP servers but rather just have private ones for friends to just join up and play together. 

I think they should have servers with No Auto Aim.